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Ohio USA - David

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  1. 2 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    who was lecturing?

    yr entitled to yr opinion, and the rest of us are allowed to disagree with it

    the players are not OWNED...this isn't georgia in the 1700s

    Oh grow up. You know what I mean..  To spell it out in baby English... A Contracted player is a player whose 100% loyalty is to the Club ... As his 100% loyalty is to the Club therefore the Club own the terms of the contract for that player for the term of the contract 

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  2. 22 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    actually, no

    they are a contracted employee

    Contracted employees are in fact "owned" by the Club ... and so the employee carries out everything included in the Contract for the Employer - The Club... end of conversation.

    You are entitled to your opinion but allow me to have mine and stop lecturing me your views...

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  3. 51 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

    Sorry David but it’s been a long time since I’ve seen such wrong-headed comments.

    Nothing wrong with fighting your corner but your comments and the position you’ve adopted is frankly ridiculous. Players are property! Getting paid is some sort of immoral crime! Plus getting abusive doesn’t strengthen your argument. And you keep telling us to read what you’ve written. We have and there’s no hidden meaning or ambiguity there. 

    My advice is let this lie because your credibility as a poster is taking a real beating on this one. The best Generals know there are times when it is best to retreat.

    My advice is to appreciate that every one has a right to state what they believe so I suggest you leave it at that and stop trying to lecture people around your line of thinking. 

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  4. 12 hours ago, hardtack said:

     

    The other day you were banging on about "loyalty to the club", yet here you are saying that a player is only committed to a club 100% while they are under contract.  As Frawley was not, as you stated, under contract at Melbourne, and had retired from Hawthorn (ergo, not under contract), he is free to do whatever he pleases without any consideration of club loyalty. 

    I doubt very much that Frawley approached St Kilda, offering his services.  It is far more likely that St Kilda offered him a contract based on the fact that he was a defender who still, in their opinion, had something to offer... plus they probably saw some good marketing value in the Frawley connection to the club.  Frawley would have given it his consideration before accepting and was probably encouraged to say the things he did to St Kilda supporters, again, as a marketing exercise (after all, if contracted, he is the club's property, is he not?).

    I certainly hope that you were/are a volunteer worker and that you never changed jobs, as taking a position for money is, in your opinion, BS!

    Are you insane ? Personally your comments above are a rambling piece of nothing and it amazes me that people like you comment in the way you do. My advice is read what I said and do not misrepresent me because I just state facts about a guy who presumably retired. They are my views and I will stick by them. 

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  5. 23 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

    frankly I think you are taking the pi.. Football Clubs do not give out contracts for the life of a players career. Players and Club typically commit for three years. That is the extent of each parties loyalty to each other. I think you are confused with amateur, social footy or underage stuff played with your mates. AFL mateship is mostly BS. 

    Read what I wrote please. I never said that players are committed for life at a Club. In fact they are only committed to the Club 100% while under Contract and Contracts do not typically run for three years as you say. Some and many are year by year and some are even longer @ four or five years.

    Facts matter 

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  6. 14 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

    I find this notion some people have that AFL players are some kind of property or in a state of vassalage to the emotions of the collective 'punters' really unpleasant.

    It smells of the kind of pressure people put on their spouses to never leave or complain, or on their children to be obedient to the point of choosing the career their parents approve of. 

    Just really unwholesome.

    Facts are they are the property of the footy Club when under contract. That is a given.. 

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  7. On 11/27/2020 at 9:49 PM, demonstone said:

    You must really dislike May, Lever, Hibberd and Langdon, then.  It works both ways, you realise.

    Agree but in this instance I am talking about a guy who "retired" and then signs with St Kilda. Read what he said on the St Kilda Web site to their members.. He is two faced and its all about the money not the BS he said to their members.

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  8. 13 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

    I find this notion some people have that AFL players are some kind of property or in a state of vassalage to the emotions of the collective 'punters' really unpleasant.

    It smells of the kind of pressure people put on their spouses to never leave or complain, or on their children to be obedient to the point of choosing the career their parents approve of. 

    Just really unwholesome.

    Under Contract they are the property of the Club.. That's a fact... 

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  9. 18 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

    But it’s a 2 way street Ohio. Collingwood showed no loyalty to Treloar and Stephenson so you can’t blame players for making decisions that are in their best interests.

    Loyalty left the building when the AFL went professional. Perhaps revert back to the amateur status, take all that TV money and distribute it to clubs and grassroots to spend on facilities and junior coaching. Players play for the teams in the postcodes where they were born. It’s the model used in Gaelic Games in Ireland. You play for the county team you were born into. No transfers. It’ll never happen, too much money involved, but it’s the only way to ensure genuine loyalty to the Guernsey.

    Treloar and Stephenson were on Contracts as distinct from Frawley at Hawthorn where he chose to retire. Treloar had no reason to leave he could have stayed there and ran out his Contract.

    Frawley on the other hand left Melbourne at the end of his contract and chose to retire from Hawthorn as I said then he writes this bizarre piece on the St Kilda Web site that makes him  out to be such a fallen soldier. A martyr for the Club and how he just loves being at the Club that his cousin Danny played for...  What he should have said to St Kilda fans is that " I am here for the money and if you think you can get an extra year out of me then fine... I will still take the money but I have no loyalty to the Club despite what I just said ...." I stand by my comments and please respect my point that I too have views - it is not a one way web site here. People have opposite views - so be it.

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  10. 8 hours ago, hardtack said:

    Obviously you don't believe that a player should have more important responsibilities in his life beyond the team... how dare he accept a position doing what he loves (playing footy) while at the same time putting his future in a much more secure position!

    I sure hope that you never accepted a pay rise, or left one company to work for another that was offering better remuneration, conditions and a real shot at success; I'd hate to think you were a hypocrite. 

    I believe that playing a Team sport is different  at the AFL  sporting level and is quite different than a "day job" in some ways that you and I enjoy. These players are on performance contracts and that contract encompasses a Team attitude to win ultimate glory - a Premiership flag for The Team and its members. There is little loyalty in a Club these days......Should a player leave a Team for another Club then he does it selfishly for money and other glory and not for the spirit of the Team he left behind. Just read the St Kilda Web site where Frawley speaks of how lovely it is to be at St Kilda and his reasoning...  Wipe away the BS and you begin to see it is for money $$$  There is no loyalty to The Team.. You can disagree with me all you like  but I am entitled to my own opinion.

     

  11. 4 hours ago, BAMF said:

    I get the angst and I agree that his premiership medallions aren't worth as much as others.

    Yeah, he was at the highest level and should have got the best out of himself no matter what the scenario was.

    But think about how poorly the club was being run.

    Our priorities:

    Losing games. High draft picks. Arguing with suppliers about the colour red. Blazers. Complicated logos. The presidents health. Whiteboards. 

    At the time I was really disappointed with how Chip left the club. In hindsight I think it was a fantastic decision for him and don't begrudge him a single thing.

    The Club is bigger than the individual player and Frawley decided he did not accept that Group value. That does not go well for the man then or now.. Dollars speak bigger values for Frawley.. If you do not believe me just go to the Saints web site ( after he "retired" and signed with St Kilda.....and read the BS he told their supporters... ) One could ask from those comments  if he thought so much of St kilda now why did he go to Hawthorn...  Oh, yeah, to get away from the "mismanaged Melbourne"  -  BS it was for fame and fortune.....at Hawthorn.. I have no time for this type of player who shows no Club loyalty... and I totally disagree with the excuses made in the post above. Facts are Facts...

  12. On 11/26/2020 at 4:52 PM, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    i think players playing for three or more teams will become more and more the norm

    the cachet of being a 'one club player' has completely disappeared in the modern era, with afl player and club mentality finally catching up to where overseas sports have been for 40+ years

    For one reason only.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  13. 1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Don't know much about the Saints backline but a one year contract for a proven player makes sense if you have a short term hole to fill

    I very much hope we are looking very hard at finding a mature crumbing forward for the year.

    From Frawley's viewpoint who wouldn't put another $400k in their pocket when for the rest of his life he will be lucky to hit six figures.

    Totally agree., Facts are he came out of retirement for the money first and love of the game second I reckon.  Good luck to him. Just wish when he moved from Melbourne that he did it for the love of the game.. Some here think otherwise...

  14. 2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    A max of 6 (A+B) rookies is based on a max list of 44 and filling the 4 senior vacancies we have which gives 38 senior players. 

    Of course we may not fill all 4 senior list spots and then there are any number of combinations of senior, A or B players to reach 44.  My initial point was the club has maxed the rookies in recent years so saving on the sal cap.  It is not a new strategy for mfc.

    As I noted I have little doubt the club will leave a rookie (A type) spot (or two) for the PSSP or next year's mid season draft.

    That's all good BUT how does the proposed mid season (2) drafts work ? Can a Club with 44 players compete in those Drafts ?

  15. On 11/13/2020 at 10:33 AM, 58er said:

    2021 STARTING  ROUND 1
     

    B    Lockhart May Hibberd

    HB  Lever Petty Rivers

    C     Langdon  Petracca  Baker

    HF   Salem  Jackson  Fritsch 

    F      Pickett  B.Brown  Weideman 

    Foll   Gawn Oliver Viney

    Inter  Brayshaw  Harmes Hunt Tomlinson

    Emerg   Melksham  T. McDonald  Jones Sparrow.

    Others  Van den Berg   Hore   Neal-Bullen Spargo J.Smith  M.Brown Jetta Jordon 

     

    I really like your Team selection. Just wonder if you would consider a position on the Match Committee ?

  16. 23 hours ago, daisycutter said:

    oh c'mon. the current game as it stands now has plenty of examples of fatigue kicking, chasing etc. and the reason is the ridiculous 2-way running the game plan places on all players whether it suits them or not. force the coaches to change the game plan by making it harder to play the 2-way constant running and there will be less fatigue .

    It must be made too hard to play the current style in order to change the coaches' mindset. They won't do it voluntarily because they are obsessed with control and defense 

    p.s. with greatly reduced rotations there will only be more player fatigue if the coaches persist with current defensive game plans which would become counter productive

    You are so correct in what you say.. Shortening the rotations will only make players play harder and facts are they will be "fatigued" even more..and quicker.... Such a stupid rule change.  Fortunately for the MFC we have players like Salem and especially Ed Langdon who can play 100 minutes. I cannot understand the Leagues logic in reducing Interchange to 75 frankly..

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