Mental Demons

"I picked this"

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

It’s not like we have a strong list of players who could have come in.

I would rather lose blooding a couple of recruits with mobility than guarantee a loss with the slowest backline in the league. The only chance we have is if the ball never goes into their forward line. Richmond had one of their worst teams in for the year against us too.

7 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Smart selections: O Mac allows Tom (our best KPF) to go forward, as does J Wagner for Fritsch.

A back line with Lewis, Hibberd, and Oscar is not quick enough to play a zone let alone be accountable 1 on 1 defenders. All they will see is the ball going over their heads for scores. 

Hawthorn is going to kill us. They don't have anybody in their forward line slow enough for Oscar to play on. Sparrow should have been brought in to replace Viney. It will be like playing two men down.

9 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

For the remainder of the year 6 to 8

which games? I could only find at best four for the rest of the year.

45 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Do you need razor blades ?

No the people who signed him for 4 years do. I am just making a prediction. How many games do you think we can realistically win? 

I can't see Melbourne improving under Goodwin. The bad news is coaches don't get fired anymore, it is too expensive. I can only see us winning 3-4 games this year. Goodwin is a crap gameday coach. We have a coach who speaks well in the media but has the team going backward and we are stuck with it.

May was contracted to play footy. Not being able to should have him in breach of a performance-based contract. I don't think he will have a long career, he seems a bit lazy and fragile.

15 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

That’s not saying much. Run is fine but where to? I doubt even he knows most if the time. 

Truth is he’s been very ordinary along with everyone else back there except Salem.

Frost has got Omac's job and made a better fist of it. He is not a key position player but has done a good job on Buddy & Hawkins and most of the jobs that Omac could not make contests of. Frost and Salem have been our best backs. Frost has been developed as an intercept halfback and encouraged to use his run at every opportunity. He has got better at choosing when to use his run. Oscar Is too slow to be very useful.

Patton is ordinary and will be another Daws. No thanks.

14 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Thats where Tommy Mc started, in defence. And you say "it is much easier to play good defense" You may also note that when switched back to defence against Richmond he had his best stats for the season. As a forward this year both have been poor.

Your argument continues to be contradictory, so that is all for me. 

I agree, both have been poor forward but at least Tom has another string to his bow. It is easier to play in defense because it is all in front of you and you only need to run one way. Tom has proved to be good at that job. I don't know what point you are trying to make?  

13 minutes ago, ManDee said:

 

You said this year and I showed stats for this year. 

This year they have both been poor. 

Let's compare at the same age.

 

Player Statistics Comparison

Sam Weideman Name Tom McDonald Melbourne Demons Team Melbourne Demons Forward Position Forward 26 Career Games 152 Eastern Ranges Origin North Ballarat June 26, 1997 Date of Birth September 18, 1992 21yr 9mth Age Turned 22 in 2014 195cm Height 194cm 97kg Weight 100kg 2015 National Draft Last Drafted In 2010 National Draft Round 1, Pick #9 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #53 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2019 Stats for Season 2014 6 Games 21 5.3 Kicks Per Game 9.3 5.7 Handballs Per Game 5.6 11.0 Disposals Per Game 14.9 3.7 Marks Per Game 4.8 0.8 Goals Per Game 0.1 0.5 Behinds Per Game 0 1.8 Tackles Per Game 1.7 1.3 Hitouts Per Game 0 1.0 Inside 50s Per Game 0.3 0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0 0.8 Frees For Per Game 0.4 0.5 Frees Against Per Game 0.6 6.0 Contested Possessions Per Game 4.2 5.3 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 10.5 8.7 Effective Disposals Per Game 10.9 79.1% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 73.2% 1.2 Clangers Per Game 2.5 1.0 Contested Marks Per Game 0.5 0.8 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.1 0.7 Clearances Per Game 0.2

 

Still shallow because Tom has the versatility and can play a few positions. Sam has not convinced that he can play one. So far Sam has been a liability Tom moved behind the ball and looked much better. It is much easier to play good defense, it's just that this team has forgotten what defense looks like. Sam panics when forward would you want to put him down back?

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

They have both been poor. Weideman has  more effective disposals, more tackles and higher Supercoach score. Both have been underperforming, so I say TMac has not been better than Weid.

 

Player Statistics Comparison

Tom McDonald Name Sam Weideman Melbourne Demons Team Melbourne Demons Forward Position Forward 152 Career Games 26 North Ballarat Origin Eastern Ranges September 18, 1992 Date of Birth June 26, 1997 26yr 7mth Age 21yr 9mth 194cm Height 195cm 100kg Weight 97kg 2010 National Draft Last Drafted In 2015 National Draft Round 3, Pick #53 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #9 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2019 Stats for Season 2019 6 Games 6 6.5 Kicks Per Game 5.3 5.7 Handballs Per Game 5.7 12.2 Disposals Per Game 11.0 3.8 Marks Per Game 3.7 0.3 Goals Per Game 0.8 0.8 Behinds Per Game 0.5 1.7 Tackles Per Game 1.8 2.0 Hitouts Per Game 1.3 1.2 Inside 50s Per Game 1.0 0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0.3 0.5 Frees For Per Game 0.8 0.8 Frees Against Per Game 0.5 4.7 Contested Possessions Per Game 6.0 7.5 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 5.3 7.5 Effective Disposals Per Game 8.7 61.5% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 79.1% 2.3 Clangers Per Game 1.2 0.8 Contested Marks Per Game 1.0 1.2 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.8 0.2 Clearances Per Game 0.7 2.2 Rebound 50s Per Game 0.3 4.5 One Percenters Per Game 1.0 0 Bounces Per Game 0 84.7 Time On Ground % Per Game 84.0 0 Centre Clearances Per Game 0.2 0.2 Stoppage Clearances Per Game 0.5 3.7 Score Involvements Per Game 3.7 144.5 Metres Gained Per Game 119.2 2.5 Turnovers Per Game 1.5 2.0 Intercepts Per Game 0.7 0.8 Tackles Inside 50 Per Game 0.7 $457,000 AFL Fantasy Price $383,000 51.8 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 51.8 $360,200 Supercoach Price $330,600 56.2 Supercoach Score Per Game 64.8

Very shallow stats you are quoting. Tom has been in the top ten of The Demons best and fairest for nearly every year of his career. Sam is yet to do that and I don't think he ever will. Do you really think Sam has been more effective than Tom? Tom was drafted at 53 and has performed above his draft potential. Sam was drafted at 9th pick and has performed at much less than his draft potential. I am sure that we would get much more for Tom in a trade than Sam because over a number of years Tom has proved his performance and versatility. Sam has played 26 games and not proved a career yet. 

19 minutes ago, Demon Dude said:

You want him gone, well why don't we trade Tmac as well then, he's playing worse football than Weid is? 

Tmac has proved he can play well in a couple of positions and has played much better than Weid this year. Weid has proved he can string a couple of good games together but go missing most of the time and not be a reliable target. I did not say we should trade him but rather we should see what we could get for him. We need players who can have an impact now.

3 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Is Maynard the obvious replacement at this stage? He is the only one I can think of. I think Tracc should move to the midfield, along with Melksham, for the next couple of weeks. 

The standard he has been playing he won't be hard to replace. I don't think it matters who gets a go at doing the job. The reality is Viney is no longer reliable and on the park enough to not require an understudy or two. Another bad coaching decision to not have a plan B for him. It is about the only thing stopping Jones from getting dropped. I remember saying to someone a couple of years ago that I did not think he had a lot of footy in him because of the way he plays and his body not holding up. That said, his desire and determination will be hard to replace.

9 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

why would we be trading out a guy who will be peaking in 5 years time? we wont be a premiership chance until about 5 years from now. trading him now would be idiotic.

Is there any evidence that he has not peaked already? We may have seen all he is capable of and he would be a very expensive Casey player waiting for him to come good. He is not top forward of his draft class. The only thing he has done well is to be a Third tall who makes a hard match. We need a couple of good key positions forwards while we are waiting for him to possibly come good. It was an idiotic decision to draft him before Curnow, he was never a hard player and drafting him was misjudged potential talent speculation. We should see if there is any interest, he is not going to do the job we need anytime soon. How close to a flag were we last year and you think to wait another 5 years is not idiotic? He is part of the reason we have gone backward.

38 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I think your making that up

I have heard this discussed in other forums. It is an estimation from seeing how professional clubs manage their talent and finance. There was overconfidence that we could do without him and would risk losing him for nothing next year. Unfortunately, there was nobody of his caliber to replace him with. It is the worst trade under Goodwin's stint and it may not have even been his decision. Either way, Hogan is gone now and we struggle to be competitive. I did not make that up. Hogan provided a reliable target and was a hard match that made 2nd tall Tmac and 3rd tall Weeds better in their positions. Now he is gone and we have lost the best key position player on our list and struggle to kick a goal.

2 minutes ago, loges said:

Pretty sure T Mac was the number 1 forward for the West Coast, GWS, Geelong  and Hawthorn games so what has happened ?

We had better team play and more forward support. We also misread Hogans value and importance and thought we could do without his expensive next contract and would get more for him now than if we let him walk then. 

3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

A newbie trying to throw their weight around.

Cute.

I don't give a stuff if you think being here longer means you are not talking crap. 5000+ posts of your quality? You think Goodwin is a good coach. I have as much right as you to make observations as someone who does not have much of a life.

5 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

When are people going to get it thru their heads that if hogan didn't go at the end of last he certainly would be at end of season this year. He requested the trade they obliged to allow him to return home.

I think he only wanted a trade because he was not wanted here. I heard we were keen to get rid of him rather than have the cost of his next contract. We had him and if he stayed and we had a successful year he may have stayed longer and if not we could have traded him for someone who was fit and could get on the park. We did get overs but so far he has proved he is worth it.

11 minutes ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

He might need to play at Casey for some confidence, but career over at Melbourne? Please.

It may be better to see what we can get for him. He does not seem able to do the job we need him to do. I think he tries hard but not enough to hide his liabilities, unco and does not think on his feet. You are right though he is young and may be better in 4-5 years. The question is,  can we afford to carry him that long. I don't think he has shown enough to have a queue waiting to grab him. Perhaps the pies could use him, he could be a third tall there if he is able to get a game. I would swap him for just about any current pie forward in their seniors. 

10 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Well, they certainly won't be rating him one little bit on his form this year - breakout game coming up from him against the Hawks perhaps

It would be against the run of play. I do not think we would lose much dropping him and giving someone else the chance of showing what they could do.

2 minutes ago, Sydee said:

My comment was in response to your statement below 

"last year he was a good third tall when we had Hogan. He struggles as a first or second tall and played above his ability in the finals, as Did Tmac. "

I was not a fan of the Hogan trade and like many are totally underwhelmed by what May brings to the table - hope I'm proved wrong in time - not sure I believe people can play "above themselves" btw - you can play or you can't - no doubt you can play below your ability and we have the majority of our team firmly in that camp atm

You said he was a good third tall when we had Hogan - the reality is that his only two AFL games where he looked like he could potentially make it as a player Hogan was in the stands and it was him and TMac as the talls - stuffed if I know how we won either of those games now based on what we are seeing week to week 

I think he was more confident and had nothing to lose and Tmac playing well helped. The delivery and team play up the ground helped too. I also think other teams not rating him helped.

12 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The more I read Demonland the more I understand why people vote for the Greens and Clive Palmer.

The more I read your posts, the more thankful I am you are not picking the team. 

14 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Hogan was sitting in the stands for those two finals texting his mates in Perth from memory 

So what, he was injured. Fans are in denial about how valuable Hogan was to the team to justify bringing players who are struggling to get on the park. Worst trade decision so far under Goodwin.