KLV

Hey Jack, are you sure you still want to come to the Dees?

Please no to McKay

2 hours ago, tiers said:

The result of the Brownlow voting by the umpires might be anomalous compared with the other so called expert awards but, and this is a big but, they are only ones who can see how hard the players are working on the field. It is an award for fairest and best, not for accumulating possessions, and should rightly go to a player who strives the hardest for each possession.

Coaches award votes for the impact on the result which is why, for example, defenders can often win votes for a minimal possession defensive role. This sort of analysis is beyond the umpires on the field and it is no wonder that it throws up different results.

The so called expert awards in the media also appear to be slanted towards favourite or prominent players whose stats sheets are overflowing but who might not have worked as hard or made much of a difference. Think about the "ring-a-rosy" in the backlines that often can inflate stats that have no meaning.

For all the criticism of the umpires voting, there have been no undeserving players (duds) who have won and, in any given year, there are many players who would qualify. There is an element of luck in the result especially when a team has many potential vote winners every week eg Melbourne's Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Gawn.

My own preference would be for a system that selects which player had the most influence on a result (similar to the coaches award) but I acknowledge that this would be too hard to determine by a group of independent umpires in the short time frame after a match.

Leave it alone because there is no demonstratively better system

 

Stop being so reasonable 😉

21 minutes ago, PerthDee said:

Goody needs to play the SEN Blues tossers call of our game at pre-season …. Our boys would take them apart …. If Jack Viney heard that commentary the baggers would be too scared to take the field !!!

You have a strong stomach to have listened to it 

Carlton are the walking wounded, no way they could beat the pies next week. The lions are a chance

Like the rest of you I’ve woken to a lovely Melbourne Spring day, revoltingly ruined by the infiltration of Collingwood propaganda. Listening to 774 and Matt Preston is about to turn away 60% of his audience, by assuming we are all interested in listening to his nauseating sycophantic slobbering on about Collingwood. 
Its just the arrogance that pizzes me off, this would happen with no other team, except perhaps Carlton 🤮🤮🤮

25 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Sub, sub, sub , dropped , in, sub 25 minutes , in, dropped … rinse and repeat  

Of course he should have got minutes at the end of the 21 GF.  

For a token appearance? I doubt that would have appeased him

56 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Toby Bedford 2022 

James Jordon 2023 

If you drop them in a flash or play them as a sub over and over and over again, eventually they say enough and leave. 
 

Dees cannot say they wanted to retain him after treating him poorly.  Another player Goodwin just didn’t favour at all.  

Good luck to him. 

Not being picked in the best 22 each week does not equate to “treating them poorly”

Has anyone listened to this?

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/whateley/id1198117448?i=1000628352262

Suggests Melbourne be bold and try and shake a Tom Lynch or Jeremy Cameron type from their contract.

That we have unique draft position and salary cap, for a club that has finished in the top 4 in the last 3 years and whose window is still well and truly open, (but only for another couple of years)

Does Richmond win 2 more flags without Tom Lynch? All teams with dynasties have been super smart at upgrading their lists to extend their window.

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

And this is why I just avoid football media. 

The wrist slashing and insane hyperbole doesn't help.

Everything these so called experts are saying, our club is internally very well aware of. 

The pile on does nothing but create a narrative that we are a soft club. Honestly the out and out hatred of our club in the media is so obvious. They all could not wait to see us fail so they can stick the boot in, including ex Melbourne captain Lyon.

What he is saying might be partially true, but as always these commentators pick the flaws and offer absolutely no solutions. I trust the club is going to work hard to rectify the problems. 

I can tolerate Gary Lyon’s criticism, but brown and Buckley, particularly Buckley can shove it. 
and that is why I’m avoiding the media.

23 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

I believe our game plan keeps other teams in the game. 

No it doesn’t, poor kicking for goal keeps other teams in the game 

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Good analysis of what went wrong….

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/16/finals-fix-how-melbourne-killed-their-season-with-the-butcher-job-to-end-all-butcher-jobs/

Yes, an excellent analysis and thoroughly depressing reading 

1 hour ago, Great Northern Summer said:

Every time I’ve walked past Roffey she has looked completely unapproachable. I actually walked past her yesterday hours before the game sitting on a couch in the mcc alone. Didn’t exactly give a positive impression that she was the ‘president of the people’. Poor body language. That’s my impression anyway. Maybe just attention your correspondence directly to the board.

I walked past her sitting on the couch too, I looked back to check it was her, gave her a wave and got one back. She was on the phone, so not much more she could do 

22 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

What ties does he have with him? 

Played juniors together and were mates 

Sam Edmond just reported on SEN. Demons saying he will still play...

16 minutes ago, brendan said:

Was it just me or did Ross Lyon seem drunk 

Ha ha, he was wearing sandals. I mean sandals are fine on a warm day on a day off, they just looked a little nqr tonight.

7 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Even worse Jaded, some idiots are saying our doctors shouldn't let him play because of a previous concussion in the first minute of the game.

Or that a guy wearing a helmet should know the risk or don't bother playing in the AFL at all.

Collingwood mob is really something else.

Buckley said that on On the Couch 🤮

3 hours ago, speed demon said:

 

In 2017, cardiothoracic surgeon Patrick Pritzwald-Stegmann was punched in the head by a patient at Boxhill Hospital. A month later he died of his injuries, leaving behind a wife and two young children as well as all the people that could have benefitted from his knowledge and skills over the remainder of his career. 

Violence towards healthcare workers was already on the increase but the response had been inadequate. Following the enormous publicity around Patrick’s death (as opposed to the non-existent publicity about daily episodes of violence with less extreme outcomes) the Victorian government invested an extra $20 million in security for public hospitals and initiated the “violence against health workers is never OK” (depressing that some people need to be informed of this message). Of course, the problem still persists. However, these changes had an immediate and lasting beneficial impact.

Although, thankfully, the two cases are not on the same scale, there are parallels here to the Brayshaw/Maynard incident. This is perhaps the highest stakes concussion in AFL history. In the early stages of a final between Victoria’s best teams watched live by over 800,000 people, a reputed enforced cannonballs into the head of a helmeted player with a history of concussion. A player whose fiancé’s father died affected by CTE. A generous interpretation is this was an attempted smother performed carelessly. An alternative view is this was an intended hit masquerading as a smother. The outcome of the final was influenced, a player’s season is likely over, his career possibly ended prematurely and his long-term well-being jeopardised.

The AFL, in the middle of a billion-dollar class action for compensation for the impact of concussion, is in a fierce spotlight. Lawyers watch with interest. Parents wonder about their children playing AFL if actions such as Maynard’s leading to outcomes such as Brayshaw’s are not disincentivised; “maybe soccer instead? Weren’t the Matilda’s great!” 

Will the AFL shrink away or take a stand? The recent appointment of Laura Kane, footballer, lawyer and advocate, as executive general manager of football is opportune. Like Patrick’s death, the Brayshaw/Maynard incident will be an inflection point in institutional responses to occupational violence. The tribunal’s finding – and the AFL’s response – will shape the conception of “duty of care” in football in Australia.  

Really thoughtful and compelling post.

it is hard to believe that Maynard will get off, that the afl would risk undoing all their work with the community about the sanctity of the head, not only exposing themselves as hypocrites but to the financial risk that will come with ongoing litigation.

Having said that, I fully expect him to be free to play in the remaining final/s

21 minutes ago, binman said:

Brilliant article.

Love this:

' “It’s understood Maynard is genuinely apologetic,” SEN reported. Apologetic for what, exactly? '

This really pxxxxx me off too, is the fact that we all know about Maynard's visit to Gus. He or one of his tribe told the media! 

He wanted to make sure it was known. What a fake.

Looking forward to hearing the Deebrief boys. 

And a very good segment by a neutral in the media.

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/whateley/id1198117448?i=1000627401236

51 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Pick 9 Weideman

Pick 10 H McKay

Pick 12 C Curnow

Pick 14 Hipwood

Pick 16 H Himmelberg

Oh what might have been 😔

Couldn’t have been more wrong 

Despite my self imposed media ban, I heard a bit of crunchtime in the car this morning - All out criticism of the Dee’s forward movement  - personnel, strategy and recruitment all got a serve.
They have written us off , while simultaneously championing the purity of the football act by Maynard, him having no case to answer (incredulously, I’ve heard several times, Brayshaw didn’t help himself to avoid impact).

We will go through the week with hype continuing to build for Carlton.

I don’t mind it.

A player with the ball in the act of kicking forward should expect not to have a 90 kg airborne missile projecting front on to his head.

26 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Whatever happens can we just START FAST AND HUNGRY? 

Show us 0-3 in the last 3 finals burns. 

Like, actually burns. Enough to come out breathing fire from the FIRST SECOND until the LAST SECOND, and bury these cheating [censored]. 

We can’t go down 0-4 and 2 straight sets against the blues. We just can’t.

I have to quote this post because it’s not possibly to “like” it 1000 times