FlashInThePan

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Growth Mindset is not new, but  because it accepts that the brain can change its profile through learning experiences  Did it happen to Richmond, Brisbane in the early Millenium ??  

I’m not 100% certain what you are asking here but Richmond credit a significant part of the 2017 turn around to their mindfulness coach Emma Murray. She talks strongly about working with the players about changing their mindset.

34 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

A happy clapper thread would be perfect for you

Dude, you are clearly one of the mindless whiners that spend their time clogging up this forum with your complaints and criticisms. Obviously you don’t like being called on your pointless complaining so now you want to go on the offensive to insult people and try to make yourself feel okay about constantly whining and criticising. Go ahead, Jump on that keyboard and be a warrior

55 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The poor form of Langdon this season has hurt us more than I think we've realised.

47 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Spot on, all he does now is play boundary side he has become lazy, plenty of running but just around the boundary, you watch Sidebottom he's the link man, Landon did that in 21 but has stopped doing that as I have said before not impressed with Yze as a midfield coach he is not reactive when things are not working.

There are so many threads for indulging in opinion based (generally inaccurate) bagging of players. This is the one place I can come to just talk about strategy and observations on trends people have noticed and things we might try. I know I'm not a mod, I don't have any authority but, couldn't you please just take this to gameday or postgame? I promise there are tons of people who will join in a pile on with you there

I really don't think the problem is that complicated. Historically our DNA is stoppage and contest, we have played predictably up the left wing for a number of years, counting on Gawn to mark or bring the ball to ground. We let the opposition make the ground small and congest it and count on our contest and defensive structure to either win it at the source or win it back on exit. Last year and now this year teams setup well to counter that, bringing extra numbers to the contest (they know exactly where it is going to be) and chaining the ball out via handball until they can get a controlled pass.

At the beginning of the year it looked like we had solved for that, mixing in less predictable exit strategies from the D50 and using lateral and 45 kicks to spread the ground and force teams to defend more of it. This opened up fast play opportunities and that is what gave us the scoring dominance. My gut feeling is that this play style is not yet fully embedded and under pressure we are reverting to what we know.

I suspect that our stoppage numbers are not actually the real problem. The problem is that we are making the ground too small and that means that teams can more easily bring extra numbers to the stoppage because even if they lose, they know where the ball is going.

Clearly there is a lot of supposition and opinion in the above, make of it what you will.

I actually don’t think our problem is as unfixable as some seem to think. We were on the right track early in the year and in the games we have lost we have totally reverted to type. We need to get back to making the ground bigger to stretch team’s defences. Predictably coming down the left wing with a big bomb allows teams to setup for the spill and crumb. Everyone knows we will do it, so they only need to defend half the ground.

 We have gone back to a down the line, handball heavy game which increases pressure on the ball carrier, which reduces disposal efficiency. Earlier in the year and preseason we were taking the 45 kick and opening up the ground. This created faster, more accurate ball movement which increases the likelihood of getting an effective entry to your forward 50.

 Yesterday, we had maybe 2 exits to the right hand wing, both resulted in deep forward 50 entries. Jesus, we have 2 200+cm guys on the ground and could have 3 if we added BBB, we can make our exit from D50 much less predictable and force teams to defend the whole ground. We also need to go back to taking the corridor or 45 degree kick to spread their defence more. The way we are playing right now only works if we are dominating clearance and for more than one reason, we are not.

Just now, BDA said:

Very sparse crowd. Where is everyone?

I’m nearly there, plenty of dees fans on my train too 

It is a really sad day for all people with an IQ over 60 when someone can post a thread with the title 'Robbo is right on the money'. The guy is an absolute numbskull, mumbling and bumbling through AFL360 with Gerard holding his hand and leading out of the minefields he creates for himself with his random, and mostly completely idiotic, utterances.

This whole contender / pretender thing is just a media construct to garner clicks and is such a facile way to look at the game. You're a contender if you are half decent and have a big and active enough following to sell clicks/papers. Hence whenever Collingwood or Richmond are even half a chance, they are contenders. For the rest of us, you have to force your way into that conversation and if you drop anything, you become a pretender so that the big club supporters can feel better about themselves.

We are a great team, even though it sometimes seems like half our own supporters would rather tear us down than build us up. We are trying a bunch of new stuff to try and get better and we have down games and injuries sometimes. The sum of us won't be known until near the end of the season, or hopefully the last game of the year. If you want to fall back to the contender/pretender paradigm then think about this. If we aren't a contender, I don't know who is. That doesn't mean we are going to have perfect season or win the flag, but if we aren't counted with those in the running then there is something seriously wrong.

5 minutes ago, dl4e said:

I bet he would not have quite if they beat the druggos by 5 points. Oh essenscum the 1 point heroes !!. He realized they were not going to make the 8 and walked.

I think this is probably right but I just wouldn’t couch it negatively. He was there to drive this group to success, he knew he wasn’t the guy to see through a rebuild. When it was clear that this was what was going to have to happen, he handed over the reigns. No point in him starting a rebuild that he won’t see through.

 I’m guessing a big part of him thought they could have one last big dance but the writing is now clearly on the wall.

16 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Take away the 3 easy beats and we’re 4-2 with a couple of nice wins and a couple of less impressive ones. 

2 ordinary losses where we looked slow in the midfield, shaky down back and iffy going forward (and as importantly keeping it there).

The next month will show a lot more if we are contenders or pretenders. 

Drawing conclusions about our ‘explosive’ style of play from smashing the Hawks or any other battling side isn’t wise.

I think we have probably revised down the meaning of the win against Swans (even though they had far fewer injuries back then) in the light of their recent performances. They have still historically been a bugbear team for us so I was happy to see our change in strategy being effective against them.

i suspect over the coming weeks we will likely revise up the meaning of the gold coast win, that contest was red hot and I suspect they are going to take some decent scalps this year.

 I’m happy to discount the games against the clubs competing for Harley Reid. I did really rate our pressure game in the first quarter against the hawks though. Mostly because I suspect that is going to be the key to dealing with Collingwood when the time comes.

4 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

@dees189227 had his toe jammed between the ground and another player, it caused a sprain in one of the foot ligaments.

I’m guessing that is a polite way of saying someone stepped on his toe?

2 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

LDVC…..you must be a lawyer! I looked up “fungible”, and I still can’t understand how it would apply to the tiles. What would the tiles be replaced by?  Or does it just mean that once the money has been paid, there’s no responsibility to honour the commitment?

I think LDVC meant non-fungible token. NFTs are a new hipster way to make money out of block chain Technology whilst providing no value whatsoever. You can own a guaranteed unique token for, theoretically anything. What is it? Just a digital certificate of ownership, not of an actual thing, but of the idea of the thing… cool, eh?

1 hour ago, YearOfTheDees said:

May had a very good game on the weekend, just don't understand the negativity on here. And 17 other clubs would start Fritsch in their forward line this weekend if they could. 

I think I can explain it to you. There are a few posters on DL who love to latch on to a player and tear them down. They do it relentlessly, week after week. For them, anything that goes wrong can be sheeted back to their pet hate project.

I have only been in DL for 4 or 5 years but I first noticed it with Jack Watts, Omac, Milkshake was the target for a while. They don’t have to actually be bad players, Spargo and Gussy have been in the sights for example and now May and Hunter who are both really solid, talented players.

 How it works is that the usual suspects will get to work white anting, they can be relentless. They criticise everything that player does. If we have a loss or a bad game they can usually convince a broader group of people to jump on board for a big pile on.

 In my experience you can’t stop it. The best you can do is occasionally point them to some stats or  ‘actual facts’ about that player’s role and output. If you engage in any other level it just feeds it.

Lots of insightful commentary here, reminds me of the tactics and all that jazz thread. I will add, I don’t think we are just increasingly varying the midfield rotations to ensure our big 4 have fresher legs in the 4th quarter, although I do agree that is part of it. I think we are also addressing what happened last year when we just ran out of legs toward the end of the season.

 Giving our main midfielders a bit of reduced time in the middle of things makes us both less predictable and and hopefully reduces their fatigue levels across a long season.

 Last night I felt we were beaten on the spread by Anderson, often leveraging their knowledge that we go -1 around the clearance. He played it particularly well and deserves credit for some really well executed plays. He was doing what Clarry and Trac often do and trusting his team mate to win the ball so getting on his bike early and spreading for the receive. We could have put some time into him and I thought that was what goodie was going to use harmes for when he subbed him on but he obviously has other plans.

Okay, I’ll be the one to say it…

relax, we got this

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Ive never really cared what the makeup of the team.is..   just needs to be the best to do the job..  Bowey has slipped.  That's entirely different from any appreciation or otherwise of Salem.   If C.S. never plays another senior game im not about to lose sleep....  All that is required is someone to do the job.....properly.   Burning players fails that metric.

Possibly among the most important disposals is that off the hbl rebounding.

That kick or handpass either sets up the attack.. or gifts the opposition as our defenders will be caught out of whack if the ball suddenly comes flying back...or the oppo gets to break the line.

Every time youre coming out of that hbl its effectively a douple point play..   

I just think Bowey has slipped a cog.

Salem is irrelevant in that appraisal. 

I can't agree about Bowey. His disposal is unarguably elite for his position. not based on opinion, based on statistical evidence. For some reason many posters seem to think their own eye and faulty recollection are a more accurate measure, it's hard to argue when facts don't come into it and people just think they are right regardless.

The loopy kicks you are talking about, from my viewing (warning, opinion to follow...) seem to happen when the back half is full of players and there is no option of punching a flat pass, you have to go either over or under. If you look at any pressured back half play from pretty much any player, you will see some instances where they pass the ball to someone else and put them under pressure. It is just the nature of trying to exit a congested area.

10 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Might be me... the new occulars... or.. 🤷🤷🤔..   but ive noticed his kicking . Even I initially thought it just the odd occurrence  but started to take particular notice ...

Granted the earlier games this year.....   Its only his kicking per se..  the getting and going..  does well...   but id like a $ for every time he's burnt the the deliveree .

I prefer Christian in this role. 

I’m not sure what you are noticing. You do realise that despite being under the hammer quite a bit, trying to clear from a congested backline, he is going at 82.4% DE? I love Salo but even at his absolute best he has never had a season with a DE with above 80%

It's actually not a bad list, should just be renamed to 'Top 5 players that caught my attention this week'

What if we ignore the draft entirely and package up our 2 first round picks in a trade for Ben King?

33 minutes ago, roy11 said:

When you buy it from Melbourne they send you a code to use in the KAYO subscription setting area, so its not just for new customers.

Only thing I learnt is If you're paying through apple (as opposed to direct CC) you need to cancel your subscription and then enter the code. 

Actually I had an existing subscription and I applied the code that came from the club and it worked fine. As a side note, I had a single screen subscription so to make it work I had to upgrade that to the standard subscription and then I could apply the code. I couldn't get the code to work while I had the cheaper subscription.

5 minutes ago, old55 said:

Keen for you to explain how Kossie, Chandler and Spargo all played together this year when JJ was sub.

I’d have to go back and look at the team sheet. From memory, wasn’t Fritsch injured at that point?

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Jury is out on that one. I just want them to finish down  the ladder, they won’t finish last or second last if we could get pick four through six I would be delighted. Getting the picks we get for Jackson and getting The Bun will have been a great result. Our selection / negotiating team have done a great job again.

Okay, I’d be prepared to get our original pick 3 back for LJ along with last years late first round pick and this years early 2nd round pick as payment for his development…you’re welcome PB

8 minutes ago, binman said:

Spargo will not be at Casey next week

This is a general comment - - and im not having a go at you - but i contiued to be amazed that so many posters don't seem to get how important spargo, and Nibbler for that matter, is to our team and our system, as evidenced by the regular suggestion he is going to be, or should be, dropped.

Which is flat out bizzare, because as is the case with Nibbler such calls never get answered.

I mean, surely the fact there is NO evidence his place as a regular best 22 is under threat would give people pause before suggesting Spargo is in the gun.

Spargs played EVERY game in 2022 and in 2021, a premiership year.

Played every game this year too until injured. 

There is zero chance he is not selected in the ones next week if fit. 

And by the by, he plays diffenbt roleto Chandler so it's not one or the other. 

 

I am definitely no detractor of Spargo, I think he brings a lot to the team. But who in that forward line are you dropping to replace with Spargo and make the team better?

This is going to be a hard time for some people. We are in process of evolving, from very good to great. There are going to be really quite good players who get pushed out and this needs to happen if we are to get to that next level.

Spargo is a very good player, no question, he is smart and clean with the ball. Admittedly, with a smaller body of work, Chandler is next level, he is all that and he also has a higher impact on the scoreboard and the game in general. Unfortunately for Spargo, he’s not competing with JJ for a spot. His exposed form as wing rotation rule him out of that. He’s competing with Chandler and Kozzie.

 Like many of you, I love all our players that played a part in getting us that flag but the harsh reality of elite sport is that you are either improving or you are getting overtaken.

Even at his worst he is a structural lynchpin. His gut running to fill holes in our zone and make position is second only to Langdon. When he is in this mode his finish can be a bit lacking though, missing simple goals and his decision making is too slow allowing opposition to flood our forward line before entry. In this mode I have been known to get quite vocal about giving him some time in the 2s.

 When he is in form, like he was in ‘21 and seems to be this year, he has all the structural importance but moves the ball accurately and decisively and nails goals. He is definitely one of our barometer players. I love watching him play when he is like this.

 He came to the club with little fanfare and has quietly built himself into our team as a key player. Good on him, happy to see his hard work rewarded.

Based on the number of once in a generation players we have heard about recently, I’m guessing that a football generation is about 1 year long.