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The only thing worse than watching Clarry win more AAs and B&Fs (let alone flags) at another club will be if we’re paying part of his wage to do so. 

We’re [censored], right?

@Hawk the Demon, where did you get the court transcript from? And the affidavit material you quoted earlier?

These aren’t publicly available documents. 

If you’re prepared to share quotes of them, why not share the entire documents with all of us?

And/or let us know how you happen to have them but the rest of us don’t?

I’m aware I’ve gone full “nuff down the rabbit hole” this evening…

Clarry also just shared an IG post about a podcast he’s recorded. 6pm tomorrow  

https://www.instagram.com/p/DAiPxa2yTmd/?igsh=MXBqejMweGxwZmZsZA==

Paywall

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Listen to what the best offer is out there.

If it's two first rounders including a top 10 pick this year then we'd have to seriously consider it.

This whole Oliver situation in itself is becoming a distraction for the club and has been for the last two years.

It's not going away anytime soon, let's see what offers are out there.

Wouldn’t us going out there and entertaining offers only increase the distraction? Fuel the fire etc?

6 minutes ago, rufus said:

Unfortunately I think you are right here.

I personally would refer it not be Oliver as at his best I think he is a top 3 player in the league. Would prefer he gets back to the shape he was in on GF day 2021 (considerably different to this season). I also think the idea of paying some of someone's salary must be some kind of joke. Why would we want to pay him to work his way back to his best somewhere else? We should be committing to helping him get back to his best with us.

I'd be much more amenable to trying to convince Petracca to go to a club that has some decent currency as I think at their best Oliver is in a completely different class. That is assuming what has been reported about Petracca being desperate to get out is true.

I agree re Clarry. If any other club thinks he can get back to his best, then we should too, and we should be backing ourselves in to bring that version of him back. If not, then why would another club want him? No one wants this year’s version of him at his current contract. 

10 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

you didn't include the next sentence:

But a third source said Melbourne had indicated to people in the industry they were not interested in trading the 27-year-old

sam needs to pick a lane

 

Both can be true. It would speak to a poor relationship between club and player, likely poor communication too - he thinks he’s unvalued when that’s not the case. 

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

So he would rather North than us? Stuff him then

Maybe he’s just doing what we expect of Melbourne players who want to go back to their home state and saying he’ll go to any Vic club that can satisfy Port…?

On the same day the Oliver story resurfaces…

Sigh. Insert the “here we go again” meme. 

39 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Clubs would first need to convince Clarry to leave, which won’t happen. Clarry is committed and loves the club. He has 0 interest in leaving. 
He will only leave if the club forced him to.

Not saying you’re wrong, but McClure said this:

“According to two sources close to Oliver, who wanted to remain anonymous to speak freely, Oliver has increasingly felt unwanted at the Demons this year. 

That feeling has peaked in the last two weeks as the trade season approaches.”

That surprises me, but there are posters on here who would know better. 

3 hours ago, Demon17 said:

The Lions of 7 years ago aint the Lions of today.

Whats their record since 2022?  Way better than 3-16

4-7.

They were 1-6 until Round 6 this year.

Good on him. 

Not ideal for us unfortunately. 

In that same segment Edmund said that we’re not necessarily giving up on Houston and that we’d consider trading two first rounders…

3 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Might say somehting about Fagan and the Lions given the Gabba is very close to SCG dimenions. Only a metre longer and wider and they played it superbly.

Lions cope with MCG . Swans maybe don't.

This issue was raised as one reason the Roos beat them in 96. Couldnt adjust to a longer ground.

Not sure this is right. Brisbane historically have struggled at the G>

Going into last week's prelim Brisbane were on a 6-1-30 streak at the MCG since the 2004 Grand Final. Narrowing that down, they were also 2-13 at the G under Fagan, with the two wins being against us both times (2022 SF and Round 6 this year).

Sydney had a poor run at the G last year (0-4) but under Longmire were 20-1-20 at the G before yesterday. 

1 minute ago, BoBo said:

I’m trying to think where to start. What do you do if all of your star players [censored] the bed at the same time? 
 

Heeney was in the form of his life and really should’ve dominated, but just didn’t impact at all. Without looking at any stats, I can’t name a single swans player that really stood up and executed. 

They need to find a better key forward than McDonald or Amartey. When you add Grundy to that mix, you just have no marking firepower, and early on they could not get themselves out of trouble nor could they find anyone to stand up inside 50.

It's OK when Warner, Heeney and Gulden are ripping opponents to shreds in the middle but when they can't dominate, those talls aren't going to get you to a flag.

They also probably need to find a key defender a bit taller than Rampe, who has always done well for someone his height but he's been around a long time now and was flogged today, to the point where I'm not sure he's going to be able to keep playing above his height too much longer.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Similar if not better.

Campbell's VFL numbers are a lot better then Forts just fyi.

Yeah but I've seen both Campbell and Fort at AFL level and I reckon Fort's demonstrated much more capable ability at the higher level.

But I still am in favour of us taking him, assuming there isn't anyone better available who is willing to be that player on our list.

Just now, Little Goffy said:

Something I'm finidng bizarre in this moment is that in the H&A season there was only a three win difference between our finish in 14th and the eventual premiers.

And I don't see any club announcing itself as a super standout for next season, either.

This would be a great time for Australian football if not for the ignominious shadow politics, shambolic and lopsided draft and trade system, dysfunctional and reactive instructions to umpires, manipulation of the tribunal, terrible boys club commentary and a 'game day experience' developed by a committee of unaware ADHD cases.

Three wins...and a draw...and 24.4%.

2 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Lions are premiers. 
Add from injury Coleman, McCarthy, Gardiner and Doedee. 
Add 2 x top youngsters in Levi Ashcroft (rated likely #1) & Sam Marshall.  

This is all true.

But they also had the easiest fixture of all finalists (they played just one of their six double-up games against an eventual finalist, in GWS) which is unlikely to happen again next year.

Despite the above injuries, they also had 11 players play every game this year, including Zorko, McCluggage, Dunkley, Cameron and Daniher. That's also unlikely to happen again next year.

There's talk Daniher might retire, after a career-best season, and Hipwood still plays plenty of shockers.

They were also 44 points down to GWS with 8 minutes to go in the third and if the umpire had paid a push in the back to Sam Taylor late, they might have lost the SF with questions being asked about whether Fagan can get it done.

It's a fine line in the current competition and with the last four premiers all failing to win a final the following year, three of whom didn't even make the finals, there are no guarantees for Brisbane next year at all.

1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

Ummh Brody was actually their best player, not that that is saying a lot. Won the hit outs and at 3 quarter time he was leading the Swans for disposals. He did his job. As did Jordan. 

56 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Jordon must have only had a part-time job, then. 

He went missing for large chunks of the game with a mere 13 touches and four tackles.

I don't think either of these reads are correct.

Grundy racked up plenty of easy stats but was no better than break-even against Fort when the game mattered (i.e. the first half), a player he should have dominated. Offered nothing aerially, let Fort get some really clean looks at stoppage, and let Fort drift forward too often.

Jordon, meanwhile, started on Zorko and did fine until McCluggage went berserk in the first, so they moved him to McCluggage and took him right out of the game. It was remarkable that they were flogged in the second quarter despite McCluggage being quiet, really.

Wasn't Jordon's best game and his flaws stood out a bit (slow decision-making with ball in hand, got caught too many times), but his primary tagging role was largely a success.

3 minutes ago, durango said:

Does anyone see the irony that only 2 teams have won the premiership outside of the top 4 but they both beat the Sydney Swans who were the favorites.

They also both had Josh Dunkley, who was eligible to be a father-son pick up for Sydney but they passed on him.

8 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

This Swans squad needs to be completely dismantled, and the parts sold off. To embarrass yourselves so profoundly for the second time on the big stage…why would you even want to risk it happening again? 

There's actually an interesting debate to be had in this.

Can the core of this group actually get to another GF and get it done? Or are they so deeply scarred they may never do it?

Rampe and Lloyd are now 0-4 in Grand Finals, Parker's 1-4. Papley and Heeney are 0-3. Almost all of the rest (everyone else bar Jordon, McDonald, Amartey and Roberts) are now 0-2.

They've just come off a largely dominant H&A season, finished 1st, two home finals, against a 5th placed interstate side who had travelled three weeks in a row, and they couldn't do it. Can they get themselves going again?

Can Longmire?

Or do they need a harder reset?

Sydney have their 2025 memberships for sale. They were advertising them today. 

What the [censored] are we doing?