Dante

Take Hogan and Watts out of the forward line and make a first gamer and a young developing forward the main players and you get what you did yesterday. Weideman will develop well under Hogan and Watts but he was thrown in the deep end yesterday and wasn't able to cope, that should't surprise anyone, his body is too immature to take on the lead role. i doubt that the coaching panel expect to win the flag this year, it would be nice but unlikely, so they need to get players that will be part of our tilt at the flag ready and playing them in soft games at Casey won't help, all it will do is make it seem like it's easy. I'm sure the coaches will point out to Weid what he did wrong and if they feel he needs a bit of time to hone his skills they will give him a game or two at Casey but I doubt he will be kept there for too long, if at all. We are a very young team and probably still short a top line midfielder or two who can give the forwards better service. Sam and Oscar will both be much better players next year, but they won't playing in the minor league.

So, currently, who would you replace Tyson with?

Absolutely shattered, we had a chance to pull off one of the great wins with possibly our weakest side for the year. First game for Smith who won't be a regular, third game for Hannan who will be replaced when other options are available, first game back for Kent who will be better for the run, second game back for Tyson who is still blowing out the cobwebs. Max going down weakened the structure of the side and yet we were the better side and should have won. We did all the hard stuff but stuffed up the easiest part of the game, kicking unmissable goals. Coupled with that we allowed them to score some of the easiest goals imaginable. I'm sure that Goodwin will be filthy but there's no point in giving the boys goal kicking practice, they know how to do it they just didn't do it today.

Dees to win by whatever it takes.

Great news, he looks a real good type, he's got speed, strength and athleticism, hope he gets back for a few games at the end of the year. Melbourne haven't got it up on the web site yet, bit poor.

i think Carlton will be a much better side than given credit for, they do have some talent and I'm glad we went in to this game with the intent to win and wipe off another hoodoo and don't say it wasn't on the players minds. Carlton will win games this year and may finish up mid table.

And therein lies the problem, we did that so many times, allowing them to go from defence to attack with two or three kicks to unopposed players on the wing, you could see it unfold from the stands. We had too many players caught between two opposition players, unable to guard them both.

Last year before the draft there were calls for Salem to be traded because he wasn't up to it and couldn't get his hands on the ball, now it's Brayshaw's turn to cop it. It was a very poor day for skills yesterday, it was quite windy and blowing all over the place with no clear advantage to either end. We won a por game and that's all that counts, Gus was ordinary yesterday but so was Viney, he made some dreadful decisions and was really interactive, do we want him back in the two's as well? We overused the ball, that's a given, our skills were down, that's a given, we were out coached, that's a given, we won the game, that's a given too.

Petracca seems to get better with every game he plays and I'd expect him to dominate games in a couple of years. Where can he play, anywhere, he will be a midfielder eventually and when he matures a bit more he will be able to play back or forward as well. He has the skill, strength and self belief to become an A grade player in a short period of time.

I only saw the highlights package of McCartin prior to the draft and he looked like one of those players that would always have trouble with his weight and this seems to be the case, this and the Diabetes should have been a warning, a number one draft pick is too valuable to take a chance with. Petracca will just get better and better and he will be our game breaker, he's got an ego but most top players have, it's a self belief that I'd hope all our young kids have got.

I was referring to the coaches from lower leagues that Neeld appointed after he was here. If you want to can any player that's on the list then go ahead, I've done that myself but it seems that some on here feel they have a greater knowledge of the list and the players than the coaches we employ to do the job. I'm not sure what your background is, but you seem to have a high value of your opinion, so I can only assume that you have been a fairly senior coach somewhere or a talent selector for a club or perhaps a former top player. If the club continue to play Oscar then I reckon they have a reason for that, they did the same with Frawley and he turned out ok. I don't agree with Saty's constant defence of players and I've had several arguments with him, there are players that have played really bad days and he won't accept that, I do.

I think we've got a pretty good list now and I'll trust the FD over Demonland posters to select the ones who have the talent for a spot in the side. If you think the Demonland posters have a better grasp of the list that Goodwin and the rest of the selectors, then you are delusional. This is not Neeld and his band of merry men, who were selected themselves from lower leagues, we now have a team of professional coaches and I reckon they know what they're doing.

After reading some of the threads on here, you'd think that was all we had.

You suggested that he might be the one to miss out, I gave my opinion why he shouldn't, I wasn't aware that you'd watched the game 6 times and what other posters had done was irrelevant, we agree to disagree. I think that Jack is doing what the Coach wants and that he will probably play most games this year. Jack will play better games than that but I doubt that Spence will.

There were plenty on here that wanted to trade him for a bag of chips last year, we really do underestimate our players, I guess it's the years of drafting NQR players.

How could they not, half your posts were about Juice and the other half were about Clarrie.

Just reading Justin Plapp's report on the website, I'd say they are the obvious inclusions. He said of Kent, "He’s still got a few things he’s working on defensively" so I'd say he will not be in for at least another week or two. They are the obvious inclusions, I'm a fan of Harmes and I'd be happy to see him get a go this week, I know some criticise his disposal but he's got pace, can find the ball and has a bit of mongrel.

We will win and win easily, but it won't just be Big Max and the midfield that will do the job for us it will be like last week, a full team effort. This is a different Melbourne and one I haven't seen for many years, they have self belief and ability, together with a game plan equipped to handle the current day's style of play. We handled them in the JLT and they had most of their top players in at the time, so I can'r see any reason why we shouldn't do the job again. What happened last year and previous years has nothing to do with what will happen from here on in, we are a different club and it will take a god side to beat us, Carlton aren't a good side.

Got a call from a D supporter and he said that the Saints on BigFooty are blaming the loss on 1 The Umpires 2 That the Saints went to sleep 3 If Weller had kicked the goal, they would have won 4 The fact that we have so many first round picks, they even included Lewis in that (Roo, McCartin,Billings and I'm sure they have some more.) 5 if Roo hadn't gone down they still would have beaten us.

No problems, 22 games a year and 3 finals over 4 years = 100 games = Father and son.

I've watched the replay twice now after seeing it live and I'd have to say that Oscar was a lot better than given credit for, he did some really smart things and is a real thinking footballer, he may just be a little undersized and inexperienced now. He will be ok and will improve every game. Weideman also impressed me, he will be a very good player and once he starts to clunk a few marks he will figure in amongst the goals. Some of the foot soldiers were also very good and the more you see of Billy and ANB the more you appreciate their game. Good signs and it wasn't just the older players that did the job, even player contributed.

Yes and when he hammered Dangerfield throughout THAT match, some of the ones on here criticising him, were applauding him for that effort.

That's the way Bernie plays, agree with it or not, he won't change. He plays it hard and goes out side the lines but he lets the opposition know he's around.

It would appear that Goodwin doesn't read Demonland, if he did he'd change his opinion quick smart and drop Oscar and ANB next week, never to return. TCHD

ANB will not be dropped, the coach was glowing in his praise for him and it would be extraordinary for him to then drop him a week later, he cops a lot on here but he is a good player and fits in with the style of game we are playing.