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10 minutes ago, bush demon said:
Concussion IS a big issue, and unlike memory, won't go away. Riewoldt and Bartel will have trouble remembering their careers if medical science is right.
no heads were banged, no heads were shaken.
nanny comments in the media.
soon you will all be following soccer. Oh hang on, they're all half stupid by the time they're 21, because of heading that round thing thru for a goal.
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12 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:
It was a rubbish comment by Caro - Tippett ducked into the tackle to initiate head contact looking for the free. Nothing to see there, Mumford did nothing wrong.
Spot on gonzo, & mummy tried to get lower. But Tippet had nowhere to turn, & he tried to lower his body, or head rather. It was a sort of 'snuggle move', by the Tipper.
They are trying to totally sterilise the game.
Let men be men, & let women be women, fcs.
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15 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:
I reckon we don't see it as a long term proposition, but necessary at the moment due to our financial state. Others have said on here before that the Chinese couldn't give a flying fig about Aussie Rules footy and I get their point. So perhaps it doesn't have as much potential as Port believes and PJ decided not to push it. I trust in him, but I'd certainly be interested to see the viewer numbers on the Friday night game.
We start winning consistently and you'll see bigger, better sponsors coming on board.
If thew Chinese don't like our 'longtime' monika, then we can look elsewhere, for our finances.
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Trying to get mummy sited for a couple of classic tackles. Leave the game to the men Caro.
Its gone backwards in recent years, because of politically correct nannies trying to cottonwool the game.
no heads were banged up Caro, leave the game be contact. There will be some brushes.
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On 10/04/2016 at 8:47 PM, deefella said:
Early time of year but I read somewhere Heppell would consider leaving the Dons would love/ hope Goodwin and Macartney do there best to bring him across would fit in nicely!! Thoughts?
Absolutely deefella. we have to have a strong finish to this season.
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1 hour ago, jako13 said:
Good to see the AFL and the political leaders throwing their weight behind Kochie (please note 'sarcasm') 5 years or so after we started the boat! Finally get China Southern on board 2 seasons ago and it appears we have been blindsided by head office with 2 years of backroom deals
Port are going to become the Dragons. just ask Caro. Kochie's Dragons
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3 hours ago, dl4e said:
Out: Vince ( susp) and Bugg.
In: Brayshaw and Garlett.
I would be tempted to swap Frost for Pederson but let Frost play on that Moore character.
Cloke concerns me, the opposition big guys have confidence against, & look forward to playing the Deez. Because we traditionally don't physically crunch them.
They look forward to playing us, to get their mojo going. And their stats up.
I'm not sure Dunny will get the job 'done', as it were. So Frosty with his speed & height (can play tall), may be needed for Cloke, &/or Grundy venturing down there. So I think Dunny can take Moore, or Oscar could take him.
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2 hours ago, Chris said:
I thought one week was fair until i watched the video again. Does anyone else think that if you got elbowed in the jaw your head would move sideways? Seems the North player has some incedible neck muscles that mean he can be elbowed in the jaw and only have his head go back and his arms go up. Incredible! The sessions with NIDA through the week are paying dividends for North.
it wasn't a throw of the elbow or anything it was just a block. & not a deliberate action but a reaction. from surprise & defence.
There was no force in it, at all. We should fight it, get it down to a fine.
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1 hour ago, AdamFarr said:
Wasn't entirely sure where to put this, but did anyone just see Healy on On The Couch? There is something happening with Healy, who has traditionally shat all over us, but this season in particular, he seems to be showing a clear Melbourne bias. He's excited for us. Very strange, but welcome.
Gerards always got a soft spot for the Dees. Even if he doesn't show it. But his best memories by far, are up in Sydney, surf & all.
Bit like Schwarta, some years back.
1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:Had a good look through the Champion Data stats today courtesy of the Herald Sun.
Not happy we lost but some super positive results (umpiring excluded).
We pretty much won every stat count including
..... yards gained; contested; clearances (pretty sure we won uncontested but don't hold me to it...if we lost that it was only by a very small margin); Hit outs to advantage (of course); Think our tackle count was about 10 or so down on theirs. Marks i50. Tackles inside 50!
The only areas i think Norf had it over us were, like i said, total tackle count and intercepts (in general play and marking where they won quite well).
This suggests we have a few areas to improve in but in most cases we are right on track vs most teams outside of the top 4 or so. And no i'm not saying we are a top 4 challenger blah blah but i can see a solid mid field starting to build here. Get the back 6 settled and on track. Get our forward game plan and entry sorted. As everyone plays more games together, with the right leadership on a number of lines, we are on the cusp of becoming more consistent.
In order to avoid so many intercepts and rebounds we will need to work harder on aspects of our game such as .....
- Switching off backline. Ie., when to switch and doing it effectively (hitting targets). Having the awareness of NOT switching even if you commenced one! ;
- Keep working heavily on kicking efficiency both long and short. Emphasis on short as this will help reduce intercept marks/turnovers and resulting rebound scores; and
- Transitional running off HB and through the middle. Again to reduce the number of turnovers in dangerous areas of the ground.
The other aspect is to lift our tackle work rate when we dont have it a little higher.
If we can improve on these aspects of our game i think we will start seeing consecutive wins, including some wins against teams considered top 5 to 8 prospective finalists.
IMO the footy dept is working well... we are seeing results. But it will start to show on the scoreboard, soon. When it clicks, & we get confidence individually, & team wise, we will launch.
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On 10/04/2016 at 6:24 PM, Bitter but optimistic said:
Hate to say it but that shitfull brainfade from Watts cost us the game.
confidence my dear Bbo, he has now shown he will 'go' when he wants to... so now, when they all start to click together, we need this side to have a kill. to get the blood on they're lips.
I just hope it isn't 'hardwik' we kill off. but do want to win that game.
please Dees, lets put the sword to e'd's club, & leave them Buckley's chance.
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On 10/04/2016 at 5:38 PM, Jesse Christ said:
Bad mistake by Watts in the last when he should have had a shot (only about 30 out) went to pass to Hogan, North intercepted and goaled. 12 point turnaround and would have had us 6 up. Overall good effort though and if we repeat that against pies and tiges we beat them.
yep, frustrated I couldn't get the video feed, but I heard it on radio. clearly frustrated the commentators as well.
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4 hours ago, PaulRB said:
A key factor in determining who comes in is how quickly the young mids already in the team can build their engines
Against North the players with the least game time were Wagner (63% - 1st game), Oliver (65% - 3rd game), Tyson (68%) and Harmes (71%). These players would ideally be building to 80% (where Viney, Vince Vandenberg, etc are). Until they can play at that level of game time there's a limit to how many young players (especially mids) we can add to the team.
Hence, the realisation of the Brayshaw error Vs Dons, and why Petracca and Trenners will be need to be playing 80+% game time at VFL before they can even be considered, as we simply can't afford to rest them along side those kids already in the team.
good points Prb. The ability of these guys to run thru the game is a concern, Re how many we have in the one team.
I wonder if ANB has a superior capacity to Wagner, at this stage?
On the MCG, we need more pace as well, compared to Hobart.
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18 hours ago, Go the Biff said:
A myth. Frost rarely lays a tackle. Runs around a lot. Quite quickly. Not sure what else he brings to the table. Pederson is no tackling machine either but when he does they stick and he is more of an offensive threat.
wouldn't be against Pedo, 'run with' on Grundy all game. Gawn to rest in pocket, between ruck duties.
Frost or Omac in defence?
Brayshaw's gotta be in,,, Garlett if fit, straight in. Grimes for maturity. & Its time for ANB.
So INS; Brayshaw Garlett, Grimes, Pedo/OMac, -------- Outs; Vince, AVdb, Frost, Wagner,
emerg: ANB, Pedo,
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1 hour ago, Redlegs Too said:
I don't mind reading fair criticism although I would rather read about the really good things the boys do. But please, can those posters that harp on about the the club being no better now than it was in the dark days and keep on saying that the culture hasn't changed please quit. Open your eyes and ears. The "culture" is totally different and the club so much better in all areas. What about having a go at being a supporter and not a denigrator; become someone that barracks for the team and supports the club. It is a lot more fun.
The culture of the team & list is changing for the better... But, the culture of 'the club', is the same. That is the culture of the support base, that effects the players over periods of time, wearing down the gains made, like the waves on the beach, lapping at the sand..
This is how the team culture starts to "eek away", time after time, after its been repaired.
This is what I've been aiming at. The constant erosion of our players meanness, & hunger.
The same thing that makes Us more 'squeaky clean', than all other AFL clubs, by FAR.
IT is this ^ , the reason why we continually turn our players into "bruise free". And this Is the reason why players who are confident in they're own abilities, won't come to the 'squeaky clean' Melbourne footy club, unless for huge payouts.
Its a bad career move for the same reasons.
.... no success. 'bruise free' choir boys, (about a sliding scale of 5 years) after whichever past-coach has just re-fired our passions & deesires, then left us.
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18 hours ago, Farmer said:
I'm concerned that it is so easy, after a narrow loss such as this, for recriminations to break out on this site.
these usually relate to the last few minutes of a game. So, Watts is under fire for not kicking at goal. Dunn tried to stop a half volley with his foot. Bugg buggered up his kick to Stretch. RVB missed his easy shot.This ignores errors such as Vince's errant kick to Kennedy in Q1 which was marked by Firrito and led to a goal to NM .But, at other times,Tyson is said to have been useless notwithstanding his second quarter. The coaches must have got it all wrong, otherwise we must have been successful. No-one thinks of many remarkable errors made by NM. Errors were inevitable today.
this game was played in remarkable conditions, yet it was one of the best matches I've seen since 1950 when I started supporting Melbourne. In wind such as we saw today a score of 8.18 to 6.16 would have been predictable, or a greater loss for Melbourne.. It was no match for we the supporters to be casting around looking for culprits.
Melbourne played a first gamer plus third gamer against the most experienced team in the comp. They played on a ground they've never played before. And their best player Max Gawn gave the best display of knock ruck work I have ever seen in 60 plus years, against the player hitherto regarded as the best ruck in the league. Can anyone recall such direction of the ball to our runners? What about the 8m tap to Tyson in Q2 leading to a brilliant goal?
We are plainly going somewhere and those thrashing around in anger are misguided. It wouldn't matter except that some of the comments are very hurtful, and may play a role in future list decisions
Thanks Farmer, great post. Anger is to often thrown about at others, out of frustration, or contempt for a differing position.
This club needs to get fierce, aggressive about our footy, & against opponents of us. Not of our own. IMO positive criticism's OK, for reason to achieve beneficial change.
Many here just find lashing out irresistible. that is anger. and needs managing.
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About the weekends game,,, wow. I missed the1st Qtr, but heard the scores.... Then the fightback... fantastic to be able to fightback, & too hold that aggression thru the remainder of the game.
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5 hours ago, hardtack said:
Contact or no contact, the act of raising the elbow in such close proximity should get any player a week's holiday.
no, no no no. lets not get too .... he put the elbow up with no force... it was not a "thrown elbow" ... somewhere between a block & a reach, with no force.
4 hours ago, Redleg said:Tell that to Pedersen who had his nose smashed by Merritt after taking a mark and saw no penalty.
Yes. you should always be able to put the forearm up as defence. but you should have to bare the responsibility of over doing it. So if injuries occur, the careless player should miss the same 'injury time', as the casualty.
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1 hour ago, Nasher said:
Harmes and Kent definitely not in the gun IMO.
I'd be happy with no change.
ins/ pederson/oMac, garlett & brayshaw.
outs/ frost, wagner, vandenberg
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23 hours ago, Panamapapers said:
Perhaps there isn't anyone. This club is f******
would you like to coach, E'd
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21 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:
I will be disappointed to see another 10 out the door at the end of this year. This year should be minimal turnover if the rebuild is complete as PJ suggests.
While this issue has floated around the club for about 8 years (we win one and we celebrate like we have done something of actual significance), how we got here should not be considered when tackling this problem.
The issue is that we are here and that is enough. Now how do we solve this problem? It might be a case of dropping a few players, a heavy session here or there or something else from left field that should let the players know that a repeat performance of the dross dished up last weekend is unacceptable.
While what happened on Saturday was unacceptable, we should also note that the journey from A to B is nary a straight line. There will be ups and downs. If the downs consistently outweigh the ups then it's time to change tack. If they are bumps in the road but we can get back on track, then panicking will just make things worse (see 186).
Today will be a good indicator of how we intend on fixing the problem of our players being easily satisfied/complacent.When I was a kid Melbourne & Essendon were both on 12 Premierships apiece. And had a rivalry like something fierce.
We were a fierce club... but little did I realise at that time, that we were changing from 'within' at our head of business offices. T
The environment that had Power over our club was changing in a way that would take us down from the great 'fierce years', supplied to us by 'Checker Hughes'.
Which we IMPORTED from Tiger-land.
Enter the fierce attitude from 'Checker', together with the MCG's pulling power to attract players who wanted to play on the 'G', & we were a Power in AFL footy.
..... the ridding of 'Smithy', rid the club of this Fierce attitude.
It slowly withered on the 'vine', as we went along like a ship without a rudder.
Now it is only recorded in the history books, that this 'RednBlue' once feared jumper, was a once a Power house of a club.
I feel so sad that its once strength, over in the North, is now killing it kindly.
>>> Here, is a little tale which the modern 'Northeners' can soothe our players with after the teams Losses, over in the northern social areas.
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1 hour ago, Diamond said:
What you just said. That it's a reality not a myth. How can a club have mental frailty for 51 years? The public perception is created by people who perpetuate the myth like Lloyd, Brereton and you.
Te attitude that afflicts our players once they've been here a little while is a too refined culture. the same attitude that doesn't want our players to rough up opponents.
Our club does not suffer any player being a bit wayward, a bit rough, a bit dirty, any thing like these.
Its like our club is too 'churchy', 'too religious', too squeaky clean. & too much a pushover on the field.
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50 minutes ago, Copuchas said:
Lloyd has actually had big wraps on us through the pre-season and has emphasised on several occasions how much potential he sees in the playing list. I'd opine the article was firmly focused at the playing group and reflects his view that with some consistency of endeavour, the confidence that comes with self-belief and a scalp or two, things could really take off. Healy is of a not dissimilar view on the potential and was all but barracking ahead of the GWS game to the point that he was visibly checking himself to be seen to remain measured and objective.
The list isn't the problem... the problem is the culture that infects our boys once they arrive. that softens them.
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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:
There are many journalists and commentators out there who dislike Melbourne and appear to enjoy having a go at us when we're down (which, for the last 10 years, has been the majority of the time).
Lloyd is one of those people.
Nonetheless, his column today is accurate, pretty much in every way. He didn't mention what we're doing on the field but what he focuses on he gets right.
They don't dislike the Melbourne Footy Club, they dislike the 'holier than thou attitude', that has taken this once great club hostage.
The smugness & attitudes found in the stands.
these are what hurts us all.
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1 hour ago, KingDingAling said:
Yeah, it is exactly that. Brereton does it more of a bullying style, just like he does to young forwards - basically shaming them in the guise of offering advice. The bloke is a loser. Lloyd is just less of a loser, but still a loser all the same. He just started offering his opinion early in the piece (about everything), and he clearly came across as the [censored] he is, so now he has slightly toned it down, but I am glad you see through the bullsh*t.
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1 hour ago, bush demon said:
We have had a total change of personnel - to replace previous personnel who were previously replaced - so it ain't something in the players' heads, it never was. I would go further and say if Luke Beveridge was at Melbourne or Alistair Clarkson was at Melbourne the team would be in absolutely no better position. The 'groupthink' on Melbourne in Victorian football is that we are a failed club. You can't buy the jumpers in kmart, kids don't support them in primary school and snide comments abound in the workplace. pLayers that make a difference won't come to Melbourne, and players who could make a difference and are at Melbourne say, 'they will get back to you' when it comes to signing on for long-term contracts. it's a bit galling to see footscray come out of nowhere and zoom right to the top of the ladder while we trudge through Yarra park after another never-ending loss, or listening on the tranny to yet another interstate thrashing, knowing that next year and the year after will be no different. we are subject to forces greater than us, the comp. can't really hold this many vic. clubs so our holding position is in the lower reaches of the table.
This ^ ^ ^ is spot on, but these are the symptoms that show, because of the Chronic Illness that has left this club bereft of diverse patrons & ideas.
Its 'inbred minded' club culture among its patrons. Mostly, those left are well off & over the other side of the ground Nth, & have a denigrating view off all that happens around the place. A superior holier than thou attitude. = choir boys, who end up wanting everything easy. = reflection of the things valued by the support group in contact with players after games, IMO.
this club is dying because its grass roots support base has been gradually slowly squeezed out over the past 5 decades. that same 5 decades where money & investments have become 'KING of all DEEsires'... amongst Dees players.. more important than winning & the Pride that comes from winning Premierships...
No these guys are winning all the time win lose or draw,,, with the pride they receive/feel after games
And people wonder why our players play soft for big money. And then laugh after losses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why care when you are on easy street & you get your mental 'back & shoulders' rubbed after games by all & sundry.... top career guaranteed to follow.
.this is a big part of why this club has lost its HUNGER & fearsome tenacity to win, & grind opponents down. Why we are only 'Front Runners' when we are talented, & under produce, in the AFL.'
This lack of regular success also happened at our Club, shown in the numbers, before 'Checker' arrived at our club & changed it, & since 'Norm Smith' was gotten Rid of... by those 'Politically Correct' quietly spoken types, that have taken over the North.
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absolute garbage!