Demon from Sydney

8 hours ago, Mike said:

It worries me that we're speaking with both Bennell and now Sam Murray and could potentially have both on our list soon. As much talent as they both have, culture is more important IMO. Only takes a few bad seeds to infect the club.

I'm of the opposite view.

The club has been a laughing stock for over 50 years,nearly merging,dishing up years like 2019 & all through it we have chased choir boys with no fight in them or no fight.

We can't get any lower than we are & I couldn't care if we recruited murderers,I want results & nothing else

39 minutes ago, Hatchman said:

Must have been, which is why this is my front runner for the laziest piece of AFL journalism of the trade season. Go home Bucky you're drunk

 

A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

B+: Jack Viney, Tom McDonald

B: Nil

B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May

C+: Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Sam Frost, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore, Josh Wagner, Neville Jetta

? James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Joel Smith, Corey Wagner

C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss

 

 

Yeah Viney isnt a B+,his skill level is average & not a great decision maker.

KK & Fritsch are C at best.

Oscar can go below a C for mine

Its funny i got banned last year on this site for saying Jesses was an idiot,would never be any good,had off field issues & it ran deeper than onfield performance etc.I said straight out there were issues & that he was a pea heart,but got bagged. Where are all the rose coloured glass wearing fools now?

On 3/16/2019 at 12:10 PM, Redleg said:

There is no real basis for that statement. 

There is no basis at all to say that he will actually achieve a game either.He's a guy they want to play in U18s,yet hes over aged & weighs 90kg,i was that at age 15 & only 180cm.He is as stick & will be another 5+ years of pre seasons before hes even physically strong enough to compete at that level. Lots of guys who have had a better footy upbringing than him who have never achieved a game so im just being realistic 

Not saying there is a better option at this time of year or that Jay Lockhart was a bad pick.I just think Preuss is very average & even North didnt want him.And Bradtke more than likely wont ever play an AFL game

11 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Why? We have Preuss and another ruck would take minutes off Bradtke 

Because Bradtke may never even play a game of AFL.He is that far off AFL level that they have even asked if he can play U18s.Preuss is also pretty average & hate to say it but Gawn at some stage will cop an injury or 2

I get the negative comments like....this is a tipping point,this will be the end,old timers would be upset etc etc.

But look at the facts.All th ee negative people will still support the game,still attend & do exactly as the AFL want.I mean the old timers even from as little as 10 years ago would be devestated at how soft the game has become & how americanised it has become.It gets weaker by the day,the rules change constantly yet everyone falls for it & keeps shelling out money.There will be more themed rounds,more AFLX type garbage & even though now there are no good hits,hip & shoulders etc in 10 years time you wont even be able to tackle yet the game will go on for some absurd reason

While it is a god awful jersey other sports have themed rounds which do very well.The NRL do a superhero round & jersey sales are a big upside of it especially for kids.In saying that they do look better in a NRL version as they have sleeves which round it out nicer

21 hours ago, FarNorthernD said:

I understand how others could enjoy that but importing another piece of American culture into our game makes me cringe a bit

Yeah i agree FND,if i was an opposition player id be standing there laughing at their schoolgirls cheerleader effort

Should be no consequences at all,end of story.Its not a drug & its not illegal.

I mean are AFL players not even allowed to breathe these days without the weak PC bad look brigade sulking.It cant be a bad look if its not illegal,unless you are a saint & have never lived an interesting or decent life

20 minutes ago, Aus in Engerland said:

I can see both sides of this.

JH is a top level talent. Top end KPF don't grow on trees and are worth something. Two high 1st rounders? Not for me. Looking at the whole picture, 5 and 23 seems reasonable.

On the other side, I can see the potential problems. He is 1/2 way through his AFL career (8 of realistically 15ish years) so you are buying a 1/2 empty glass of champagne. His foot injury is of a type that is potentially career ending if it goes wrong. With that, would I pay the reputed $8Mill over 8 years? Again, no way.

Over this whole trade period Freo are doing what Essendon were doing a few years ago. Talking up their players and demanding way too much while down valuing outsiders and offering under. As a KPF that Freo desperately needs, on the surface Hogan is a more valuable commodity than Lachie Neale. But he is a higher risk proposition (see foot). That evens up the respective values somewhat.

I also agree with some on here that there are a whole bunch of deals that have been done in all but name, and the AFL are just sitting on stuff to make the 'live' broadcast more exciting.

Im not sure Hogan is more important than Neale is to Freo. Everything starts in the middle which is where Neale comes into it.No good if Hogan sits inside F50 while Freo have traded away the most likely player to feed Hogan the required ball.In the end Forwards only kick goals because of the Mids. 

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Nah, the trade period should be longer if anything. In many pro sports the trade period extends into the season.

Haha right, so instead of 2 weeks to get 5 trades done they would take months.The longer the period doesnt equate to more trades,just more time wasting. Im actually for players moving all year but not in this way,i just think that if you're out of contract there should be no trades just go where you want with no compo.Freedom to move to the club of your choice if not contracted

25 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The trade process has built into it a mediation phase for when clubs cannot agree on a trade.  I think It is essential to have the mediation process so that difficult trades get done and so that the current Freo position causing a log jam for about 6 players is cleared.

IIR the last time it was used was the Ryder trade to Port.

But in the end Hogan,Beams,Neale,Kelly are all contracted,through their own choice when they last signed,so why should the AFL be able to force clubs into helping them?

23 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

It’s like a few builder mates I have, they get asked to quote for a job and don’t really want to do the job for different reason’s. So they will over quite by 30% or more on the usual rate, if the client says yes... happy days but not a job they were chasing. 

Yep,im in the building industry & its 100% what happens.Go for a high price,test the customer (market/club)& if they dont budge well you're no worse off.If they take the bait then you're happy enough to do the work (change clubs)

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Too many players in limbo:  Neale, Hogan, May, KK and possibly Beames (Lions won't let him go if they don't get Neale).

Freo causing quite a log jam so something needs to happen soon. 

Anyone ready to guess when the AFL will get involved and kick Freo into gear or call in the mediators for the Neale and Hogan trades. 

I dont believe the AFL should be allpwed to get involved.All the players are contracted & obviously chasing money but using family etc as they were happy to pen new deals not long ago.If they are going to get involved it may as well just be a free for all like the NRL where players can go wherever & whenever they want

4 hours ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I’m a “troll” because I don’t trundle with lemmings off a cliff or say “baaa” with the herd?

Demonland hasn’t changed much. A few very good and sane posters but still too many fanboys (and girls) who get hurt derrières when confronted with sober assessments and clear eyed analysis.

Yep too many soft,1 eyed suppprters that believe every player on our list are A graders & All Australians,yet cant see that in the end over th e last 10 years Freo have outperformed us.We have been a basket case for 60 years yet on this site its almost as if we are invincible & no one dare question it or say otherwise

5 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

on what planet is watson 'more respected than langdon, nixon, and others?'

he swims in the same sewers as them

Well at least Watson played the game & was actually good.I hate the McLures,Nixons etc that wouldnt even know what a Football looked like.

6 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

I've given up with draft theories, pick swapping, home sicknesses and the like. 

This is exactly how the AFL want draft week to play out, so the public continues to talk about football instead of Cricket, Soccer, Basketball etc. 

This all should have been completed within a week.

Its exactly what it is.Other sports finish up & let the players & supporters relax for a while but the AFL feel they need the constant spotlight.They did the same by demanding all state leagues etc finish before their GF.Seriously Trade Week should be 2-3 days maximum as most of the clubs know who they want & who they want out months ago.

7 hours ago, RyanD said:

This ^^

 

So much crap on here, but the reality is that this is the situation. Win/Win for us.

Hmmmm not that simple.

Hogan staying doesn't guarantee us a Premiership next year & i seriously dont think we will win it even if we keep Hogan,plus get May.

The other downside is that we do no better next year & then he walks out which is inevitable,for less compensation than we can get now

8 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

me either @GCDee

but it seems that this is where it sits

from my perspective i wanted 5 and 6 for hogan

instead we're losing him for...not a great deal

I agree,but It's all relative to a Clubs needs.Simply put it sounds so 1 sided but depends if your club has strength in certain areas.For instance we are strong in the Midfield so we would value a mid at lower than a quality CHB or FB.Freo dont want to give up a quality mid for a Forward who wont see the ball without the traded mid.Hogan isnt worth much to a team that struggles to get the ball inside their F50

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Players who are 1 year into the system are requesting trades to specific clubs. 

Contracts are worthless if a player wants to go. 

All players are now free agents, i knew it would happen when Free Agency started. 

Luke Ball set a precedent, it has just evolved from that

Not true at all.If they are contracted they have no out,as his current club doesn't have to accomodate a trade or other.They still get played but play them in the ressies where their value goes down & no club will offer the same.All other sports do it,just that the AFL are years behind 

43 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That is an opinion, not a fact. 

Contracts mean absolutely nothing now. 

Who cares if a player signs an extension for 3 years. They just walk anyway...

i have no problem with Jesse. Infact I sympathize with him for what he has gone through in the last 18 months. 

Are both of your balls fit and healthy??

Jesus christ what a load of crap.As if hes the only 1 in the world who has had a health scare (and thats all it was because he's over it). Everyone's parents die so i just cant buy that garbage.Jesse is just playing the game & leaving everyone else to speculate & creare drame just like the Dockers are doing.Obviously hes not man enough to front the media or put out a statenent either way. But does it mean just because you have a health scare that renders you completely useless in making a choice or any other decision in your life? If his nuts dont work how would Freo help that?

12 hours ago, monoccular said:

Oh ...

 so his foot has healed, at least for now?

Are you perhaps suggesting that we have yet another crack at a tall King?

Doubt there ever was an injury.

He convenient dumping from the games would be because of other issues im guessing.The club wanted him out of the way & because of it we performed better.We wouldnt have made it as far this year is the mummies boy was sitting in the forward 50 sulking & throwing his arms up in the air when midfield missed a target by 2 inches

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

There was zero reason for him not to be honest in the forum he was in. 

But look mate, believe what you want. 

I will & you can believe lies.Everyone in the media knew yet you believe a leader at our club had no idea....seriously?

3 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Yeah, nice post. Perhaps unfortunately, I don’t see the world in black and white.

But I understand that many in Kansas do.

To assess Gaff’s entire character and personality on that one incident, is the very reason we no longer endorse public lynching as a society, even though many rednecks would love to have it back.

It seems that Andrew Brayshaw has forgiven him - good on you for continuing to hold the grudge though.

 

Well i agree on 1 point but not another.To me big deal he punched someone & it doesnt change my thinking of him.Flip side id love public lynching to be bought back,we are too soft now on the scum of this country.