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22 minutes ago, Macca said:

Well, as far as I'm concerned he does a hell of a lot of running in order to get to any number of contests (and that includes stoppages)

His style also includes a number of burst plays but all of Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw & Kozzie can display those traits from stoppages from time to time

It's just that what Petracca does stands out which might lead people into thinking that, that's all he does

And my original post was in response to one such person who was suggesting that he's only a burst player

He's a lot more than that

So in other words.. you do agree with me in my initial response to you?

9 minutes ago, Macca said:

Not sure how reputable the web site is in this link but in it, they make mention that AFL players have exceeded 20k's per game

How far do AFL players run in a game

About as reputable as the daily mail. 

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

Do you want to post up a link as I'm not inclined to take your word for it

And it's not like Petracca fails to run out games if that's what you are suggesting.  He's quite often full of running in the last quarter's of games.  Racking up possessions

He's not just a burst player either but it might look that way to the untrained eye

This you're actually missing my point.. which is, he's not there to rack up big kms in games, as he makes up for it with what I've already explained about 4 posts above.

His impact on games and his individual accolades speaks enough for itself.

No.

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

Well he might have averaged 13.5 k's for all you know.  Yours is a guess, not fact

So around 13ks - 14ks is still a of running.  And that would put him into an area that a lot of midfielders would be in

Okay.. I'll spell it out to you. He didn't top 14 or even 13.. thats an actual fact through the AFL tracker.

Hence why I said he's probably averaging roughly around the 10-12 because that's the part where I made my guess. 

53 minutes ago, Macca said:

AFL players run 12-14 kilometres per game and some exceed 20k's

Midfielders especially need to get to a stack of contests as well as flooding back and pressing forward.  All that 2-way running.  Stoppage after stoppage

So Petracca being a midfielder would mean he would do a lot of running and in bursts, a lot of sprinting

At a guess I reckon he would exceed 15 kilometers per game and that's every week.  You've got to be very fit to do all that

So imagine being an 18yo coming into the AFL system?  It would be quite an eye-opener.  It's any wonder we often hear that players need 2 or 3 years to be AFL ready

As for soft tissue injuries, players need to be managed to the minute to avoid 

But even so, running 15k's in a full-on contact sport with all the physicality involved is quite a task.  Every week

So Petracca would need to be as fit as a Mallee bull (and in my view, he is) 

But he didn't though.. and not sure where on earth you're pulling numbers randomly that players have exceeding 20kms a game? No one has ever topped covered 20kms a game.

On the Petracca one, Langdon, Hunter and Alex Neale Bullen were our top 3 players who racked up top km's for 2023. Langdon was averaging up around the 16km mark and both Hunter and ANB were roughly averaging 15kms per game.

As a matter of fact, Petracca did not once finish top 5 in any games last year for kms covered in games.. Even the likes of Petty, Lever and Bowey were all able to finish top 5 in games for most distance covered. Fact was, not once did Petracca ever clock up 14 or 15kms a game at all again last year. My guess is that he roughly averaged around the 10-12 kms covered per game.

This may come as a surprise to some of you but he simply isn't an endurance beast as some of you are making out and never was.. You'll never see him up at the top end of the time trails nor will he be pegged in the fitter group of runners.

It's his ability to read the game and knowing where to be positioned to win the ball is what makes him the player he is now. His game sense being at the right spot at the right time in big games is all we need and hence why he's makes up for it for his lack of endurance. 

That's what's so freakish about Petracca is that whilst He'll never clock up big numbers in distance covered, he makes up for it by running to the right spots and positioning well around stoppages.

In the AFL environment, if you have an average endurance base then you quickly need to have a second set of tools to have to make up for the perceived "lack of tank" otherwise you're no good to the team unfortunately. 

On 19/01/2024 at 06:23, Chook said:

You don't talk up a Melbourne player by saying another team's player sucks.

I can and I just did? I don't talk up every single Melbourne player like you think I would.

JVR is a very special talent and warrants the endorsement. 

18 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That is surprising if true, as most players starting again at a new club, usually put in the effort to arrive in good condition, to impress their club and give themselves the best chance of success.

Yes and no.

Steven May, by his own admission and the club, turned up in poor condition at the Dees which obviously played a huge part in his 2019 being injury riddled.

No coincidence that since then, his preparation has resulted him in a couple of All Australians and rated as one of the best full backs of the game.

Great photos 👌

Can already see the benefits of a full pre season for the likes of Adams, Sestan and Verrall. They look bigger and have certainly changed their body shape. I believe Adams and Verrall both missed majority of last year's preseason so the upside of doing a full one will benefit them.

Even someone like JVR who looks bigger and imposing for a guy that's still only 20 years of age. Scary..

8 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

Not having a shot DD but if his turnovers occur during critical stages of the game, doesn't that mean that he actually HAS the ball whereas twenty or so others do not. As i recollect at least two maybe three occasions last year at critical stages he was the one who had the ball and kicked two or maybe three of those clutch goals.

Yes I agree, he does put himself in good positions to win the ball and that's through his elite work rate.

During the finals series there were crucial moments of the game where he simply coughed up the ball (had a few teammates mind you) that either cost us a direct score to the opposition or he fumbled whilst we were in transition. 

If you ask me, I want the ball in his hands when delivering the ball inside 50. He's one of the best kicks going into a leading forward and I think that's one part of his game that isn't utilised much by his teammates.

He's a much better kick then the likes of Viney, Oliver and Petracca and his leadership is pretty crucial especially for out next wave of talent coming through. 

On 14/12/2023 at 13:37, Little Goffy said:

Bailey Smith's ACL has just opened the door for Harmes at the Bulldogs while also reducing the chances that the trade could come back to bite us.

I'm still kind of hoping things work out well for Harmes individually. Especially if he has a bunch of performance triggers in his contract to soak up some salary cap space so that the Dogs can't afford to keep Tim English!

Highly doubt so. 

Harmes has a some making up to do as he turned up in poor shape day 1 of the Dogs pre season which Bevo and the coaching staff were simply not happy about.

He'll certainly play games, but it certainly won't be every week in the AFL.

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

ANB is much maligned and seriously underrated- his turnovers usually occur because of his hard running and don’t occur as much as they used to. His goal smarts are much improved. He will end up with a 200+ game career and is a premiership player. Deserves more respect.

His turnovers usually occur in the most critical stages of the game. When the pressures skye rockets, unfortunately his awareness and disposal by foot turns to water.

I don't think fans are generally fussed when there is a turnover kick by a player. It's where and when you do it in games is why fans get annoyed and unfortunately for Nibs he's got a habit of doing it in crucial stages of the game.

25 minutes ago, 58er said:

No because they are different style of players. Rooy is a total competitor and to give him an at opportunity to compete at throw ins does expand his role to us and get him into the game. 

Carkton put Harry McKay and WC Jack Darling are who Rooy resembles. Harry P can play the regular forward whose absolute skills are elite in marking and one on one. JVR will gain greater strength with the competition down forward and also Darling is akin to the throwin ruck game. 

Fullars will still be very handy and with Gawny occasionally our forwards  are going to get the opportunity to get the crumbs and forward balls that will be created. 

We don't need to expand his role.. his role should purely be a power key forward that gives our team the best opportunity to kick a winning score.

Darling also resembles nothing like JVR. Not only is Darling a soft [censored] but I can guarantee JVR will go on to have a much better career then him as one of the best key forwards in the game in years to come.

6 minutes ago, 640MD said:

179.   Height.    66 kegs.    Thin as a rake needs 15 kgs 

No, he doesn't.

Bobby Hill won a Norm Smith medal playing at 71kg as listed on his player profile in the Collingwood website.

The days of being big and baulky are long gone. You stack a heap of weight on Mentha and you risk taking away his speed and agility. The game is all about fast ball movement and ability to sling shot off half back with speed on the ball.

Kozzie Pickett was drafted at 67kg and he's handled the AFL environment just fine.

17 hours ago, 58er said:

Why? It is assisting him learn AFL footy and responding to his enormous competitive juices. And he is no slouch at the throw ins. Fullarton and JVR as Gawn backups sounds good  to me. Rooy would also be a good understudy behind play in defence. That will also bring his footy on quicker.

Only negative is yes a chance of injury with a mongrel like Mason Cox taking a cheap shot at him

Mr USA May not like the response from Rooy though especially if he is in those hideous glasses. 

Brilliant season coming up for Rooy with 40 goals plus. 

Because plain and simple he's not a ruckman nor should he even be considered as a 2nd ruck option. Playing ruck doesn't make you "learn AFL footy" he can do that playing his natural position he's grown up doing extremely well and that's up forward. 

Putting him in the ruck takes away a strength of ours and that's having a solid target up forward to kick to. He's our best forward prospect since Jesse Hogan and a natural in that position. 

Petty and JVR should be the stationary forwards whilst Fullarton/Schache can play that 3rd tall/relief ruck. Its the exact reason why we brought Fullarton in, so use him when the opportunity is there.

You don't ever see Carlton throwing Charlie Curnow into the centre circle competing in the ruck nor did we ever see West Coast do this with Josh Kennedy.

8 hours ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Surprised that he is training with us as Palmerston and Gippsland Power are not in our Next Gen Academy zones. Not that it matters much as previously mentioned the system is broken and benefits only the Northern States teams and Coates league teams.

The Northern Territory where he initially grew up is part of our NGA zone.

Just to confirm that the #49 indigenous boy that's been training with the dees is highly talented NGA prospect Ricky Mentha.

Mentha is originally from Palmerston Football Club up in the NT and will be splitting his time between the Gippsland Power in the Coates League this year and NT Thunder (played a few games last year). So he'll be worth the watch.

Ricky is a livewire small forward with elite speed and agility who's a decent prospect that's also part of the NAB AFL Academy team, so the kid has obvious talent.

2024 AFL National Academy squads announced

Club has officially updated training times.

14 minutes ago, layzie said:

I'm tired of the excuses. Collingwood had a nightmare of a year with injuries and while their situation did come good at the right time they mostly got through it. Their most important player was missing for their final against us, it was all laid out perfectly and people still want to winge about our circumstances. If the team actually thought like this then it shows mental fragility which I've said all along can be changed but needs to be checked. 

I know people are getting tired of hearing this but when you lose 4 finals at home then I see no problem asking these questions, you don't continue to sit there and make excuses. You do that after 1 or maybe 2 tops. Do I think we got unlucky? Yes of course, especially with the Petty injury. But there are plenty that will point out that our gameplan stacked up and that we only lost by single margins and if we were more accurate blah blah. What's the excuse for that?

I'm beyond caring about hurting feelings or putting noses out of joints with this view. If you don't like it, please yourselves. When clubs like Port and Brisbane have exited finals like this in the past the overwhelming view here is that they choked. Use the same brush.

But the question is about the window and if it is closing, no it is not. Ib my view we could take a little step back this year but in the era of free agency and smart drafting we can very much put ourselves back up near 12:00 by acquiring new pieces. Our core is still strong. 

 

Brilliant post.

21 minutes ago, Macca said:

He'll get a lot more money at Adelaide

To entice a player whilst that player has 2 years left on a contract, you have to offer bigger $$$'s.  The go-home factor is a ruse (or an add-on)

But we of course can match it but in the case of Jackson, we weren't going to match it as the amount was too high ($8Million plus)

Again, the first we heard about about Jackson "wanting to go home" was after the offer from Freo was declared

What's stopping us from offering more money?

CBA is about to go up, Brown, McDonald, Melksham, Tonlinson will all either be retired or delisted which will free up some huge salary cap belief.

Think you're underestimating our ability to manoeuvre around our cap space which we've shown to do extremely well over thr past few years.

1 minute ago, Macca said:

You can believe what you like

The same stuff was peddled about Jackson whilst people conveniently put aside the $8Million contract that was on the table

Same to you.

Just feel imo that he'll be fairly compensated regardless where he plays.

49 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

If Petty was playing for the Crows how many games would his parents / family travel to Adelaide for to watch him play. Considering 6 hours each way plus breaks essentially makes it a days travel each way. Would they make the trip for every home game plus finals or just the big games plus finals. All speculative I know.

Surely the club can be proactive in communicating with his family and arrange for them to make the trip for Gather Rd as well as blockbuster matches such as Anzac Eve, Kings Birthday and when we play the Lions. I’m not sure how much the club can do in terms of flights / motels for family’s before it’s looked at by the AFL.

Family may be put fwd as motivation, but it’s also a great leverage tool. Money talks, hopefully he stays.

Either way the trek from Wudinna to Adelaide is a challenge in itself. 

But I would have thought that's still a lot easier then having to jump on a plane again just to watch a home game.

To be honest I have no idea how the club will map all this out for Petty in his family. Seems a challenge regardless what they do.

45 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Hi Tim Lamb, it’s actually 6 hours and 7 minutes, not 6 hours and 5 minutes. What else have you got wrong? 

You've clearly gone the long way.

54 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yeah I know that story but I don't particularly believe it.  There's a lot of spin in footy and money talks

You're right, there is a lot of spin. I don't believe the money talk stuff in this particular case.

12 hours ago, Macca said:

I don't buy into the go home factor, I believe in the money

But I'm with you, if he becomes a game-changer on a regular basis, pay him the big bucks* and match the Crows offer (unless that offer is astronomical and it becomes a murky situation) 

Ultimately, I see him as a replacement for May at full back as Petty is only 24 and has another 9-10 years of footy ahead 

 

 

*That could happen as early as half way through 2024 if he fully recovers from his injury and starts firing again

Considering this is a direct quote from Tim Lamb then there is no doubt there there is a huge go home factor first and foremost before money. 

Crock of [censored].

AFL had their chance then and there to make a statement by suspending him and failed to do so.

I cannot think of any sport in the world that continues to make up the rules on the spot each and every year.