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At the appropriate time I'd appreciate any comments on the intensity and how it compares to the last few years.

In fairness, the times that day were wind assisted. That said, he still came second out of plenty and wind assisted, or not, it's very fast. I like his prospects. Good size, skills and speed, and seems really coachable. I don't see a star, but I think he can become a good player.

One thing Woewodin isn't is slow. He was second in the 20 metre sprint at the Draft Combine with a time under 2.9 seconds. 20m Sprint Result (seconds) Rank Result (seconds) Name 1 2.845 Harvey Harrison 2 2.898 Taj Woewodin

Maybe we know that. It doesn't mean you have to be excited by selections. That said, two quality players inside 13 adds to a strong group of 23 and unders.

And Caddy at 6.

I've never once in any game we've ever played Collingwood given prior thought to Josh Daicos being a major threat. I've thought of DeGoey, Pendlebury, Nick, Grundy, Sidebottom, but never Josh. Very good little player, but not someone I'm selecting at pick 7. You, of course, can please yourself.

Like some others I can't get too excited by Windsor at pick 7. I'd take Curtin ahead of him every day of the week. That said, Taylor has an excellent record, so I'll back his judgement. Windsor may well play 200 games and be a very valuable player, but I don't see his type of player as a top 10 selection. Nick Daicos is a poor comparison, because he's not purely playing a wing role. In fact, he never has. He's no midfield beast, but he does have good history in a midfield role and the associated metrics that follow. Josh Daicos is a better comparison, because he does play that role.. And despite him being an AA and a B&F winner in a premiership year I still wouldn't take him with a top 7 pick in a National Draft. I know generational talents are rare in the top 7, but I still want to back myself to land one. Curtin could be one, whereas I'll be shocked if Windsor is. C'est la vie.

It's worth looking at Davo (a long time junior watcher/expert) from Bigfooty November 2022 early predictions as to who the best draft prospects were for 2023. Tholstrup was considered a top 10 prospect by many watchers 12 months ago. 1. Harley Reid - Bendigo - 185cm 82kg - really shun at the champs, has been excellent all year in a variety of positions 2. Daniel Curtin - Claremont - 195cm 91kg - best afield in the u17s pre GF game, terrific game after being injured for a large chunk of the yr 3. Jed Walter - GC A - 195cm 91kg - wonderful season showing off surprising athleticism and kicking 9 goals in 4 games for the Allies at the champs 4. Koltyn Tholstrup - Subiaco - 186cm 80kg - one of the best for WA in the champs, forward who can rotate in midfield 5. Zane Duursma - Gippsland - 188cm 73kg - a real danger in front of goals, can also rotate through midfield, he was a real weapon for Vic country that they missed in the finale 6. Archer Reid - Gippsland - 201cm 85kg - athletic and flexible KPF, had a huge trials game, was ok at the champs, but has heaps of potential 7. Nick Watson - Eastern - 169cm 66kg - tough, electric small forward, loves a goal and can kick them from anywhere 8. Jack Delean - Sth Adel - 181cm 73kg - was great last season and had a good champs this yr, but didnt dominate the sanfl u18 9. Nate Caddy - Northern - 190cm 83kg - high flying medium forward, took a tonne of huge pack marks this yr, excited to see him fly high again next yr 10. Ashton Moir - Glenlg - 186cm 78kg - had a good sanfl u18 season, had 1 good and 1 poor champs games

Correct. And then [censored] like Chris Doerre, AKA Knightmare, to do their post draft club grades, such as this one for Collingwood in 2019: Collingwood Improved their draft hand slightly in the latter half of the draft to increase their involvement without losing a lot. Jay Rantall represents strong value as a basketball convert with elite endurance who does his best work inside winning the contested ball, distributing by hand and moving through traffic. Oakleigh premiership captain Trent Bianco is a second selection who represents strong value as one of the best kicks in the draft and the most advanced outside player in the pool. Trey Ruscoe at 192cm with his versatility to play defence, midfield or forward, is a third solid selection with his skills, mobility, ball winning capabilities and the way he reads the ball in flight and takes marks. Though the question of whether Collingwood should have retained pick 51 to draft key forward Jake Riccardi rather than trade it to GWS who used the pick to draft the VFL's Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal is a question that will be asked given Collingwood's lacking key position stocks. Grade: A None of those 3 players are today on an AFL list. In the same draft he gave Melbourne a C for drafting Jackson, Pickett and Rivers, which was his equal worst ranking. Outside of the Suns, who had picks one and two, Melbourne clearly were the best performed club in that 2019 draft. Or this club ranking from Fox Sports for the same draft. CARLTON Picks (at start of draft): 9, 43, 57, 70, 85 Selections: Brodie Kemp (17), Sam Philp (20), Sam Ramsay (47) Stephen Silvagni was making plenty of moves on the opening night of the draft, with a bidding frenzy causing Fremantle and GWS to move on Liam Henry and Tom Green respectively. Brodie Kemp was the big steal for the Blues, landing the potential top-five prospect with Pick 17. They added more midfield speed with the selection of snubbed Vic Metro prospect Sam Philp. Calder Cannons midfield Sam Ramsey rounded out their selections, with the inside midfielder averaging 25.2 disposals this year. Grade: A Only the 23 gamer Kemp remains in the system notwithstanding the A they were given. This is supposedly a ''shallow'' draft, but to me, albeit a novice, it looks as good as just about any year and the top end talent better than most. Excited for tomorrow night. EDIT: I called Doerre an i.d.i.o.t. To think that word is censored in this day and age. I deplore the society we've become.

His body wasn't the issue, his mind was.

Hunter and Langdon both went at 32% contested possessions per disposal in 2023. Josh Daicos, who won a B&F in a premiership year, went at 30%. Windsor went at 32% this year. I haven't seen enough of Windsor to have an informed view, but if he uses it well and breaks the lines with speed I don't see an issue based on his recent numbers.

If you don't rate Curtin you've got glass eyes. Or you're trying to find flaws, i.e. the old Simon Black syndrome.

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Then they won't trade pick one. But there's a view that they need more than pick one plus their second pick of 23 considering the state of their list. And that they're concerned Reid might fly the coup after 3 years, but that's just supposition. Some West Coast fans think that if they were able to manufacture pick 2 plus our pick 6 that they'd take McKercher with pick 2 and Curtin at pick 6 who's likely to be available at that pick. It's all guess work...

I suspect they'd be keen on the best player in WA. Hardly a wild guess.

I agree. It's not often a top 4 team has the leverage we have in this draft. Six and 11 are very good picks, but Reid, Duursma and McKercher are standout footballers. I'd be doing my utmost to get into the top 3 of this draft.

You got to be kidding ?

Yes and I don't concur with those who think he's athletic. He's a lumberer with poor pace, i.e. slow.

I take it back about Caddy. His first 60 seconds are particularly special.

I don't think I could agree less. Duursma has that rare knack of making footy look easy. A bit like Mark Waugh with cricket and Federer with tennis. Duursma reeks of class with his movement, kicking and marking. He didn't ''star'' for Casey in 2 games as a 17 year old, but even then his talent was evident. When he develops the size of an AFL player he's going to be an elite footballer. If possible I'd move up to pick 3 to make sure of him.

This short video sums up Caddy to me. I see an aggressive competitor, which I like, but a distinct lack of class. If he's considered a top 10 draft pick it really is a shallow draft.

It depends on the pick. And I believe we'll only be using two (plus I assume Brown). If we got our hands on pick 3 it's definitely best available. And for me that's Duursma. If we keep pick 6, which will become pick 7 or 8, I'd also take best available, which I suspect would be one of Sanders or Curtin. There's a consensus top 7 in this draft, i.e. Reid, Walter, Duursma, McKercher, Watson, Sanders, and Curtin, and I'd be taking the one left over out of those first 7 - although O'Sullivan also looks very good. In a broader sense, I think we have room on the list for another class midfielder, key forward, and key defender. I think May has still got 3 good seasons ahead of him for one main reason, he still has good speed. Even after those 3 seasons he'd still be younger than Hawkins is now. I know there are not many Hawkins running around but while May still has speed and a desire to compete he should have a few years left. Petty is the worry. If we keep him long-term it will be huge due to his versatility. If not we could potentially quickly have a hole at either end. But while we're a genuine flag chance I'm chips all in on winning another. If that means not addressing a specific need, and I don't think we have many, then I'm going best available early in the draft.

Picks 1-5 is the sweet spot. It's also usually where stars of the game come from. Not always, but usually. If I've got picks 6 and 11 I'm trying to leverage those picks into a top 3 pick. Ideally, I'll get back a late teen or early 20s pick with the trade and hopefully get another good player. But the best chance of ''great'' is top 5 and even better top 3. Draft Pick Range Players Picked Age Average Career Games Average Club Games Average Brownlow Votes Average Average Years to Play a 20 Game Season Average Years to Get Past 50 Games Picks Needed to Get a 50 Gamer Picks Needed to Get a 100 Gamer Picks Needed to Get a 200 Gamer Picks Needed to Get an All-Australian Picks Needed to Get a Sub-10 Gamer Picks Needed to Get a Zero Gamer National Pick 1 20 17.9 228.0 171.5 57.5 2.7 3.6 1.0 1.1 1.5 2.0 - - National Pick 2 20 18.0 190.9 154.0 40.4 3.5 4.3 1.1 1.3 1.5 2.2 - - National Picks 3 to 5 60 18.2 165.0 117.9 38.2 4.4 5.5 1.2 1.4 2.7 3.3 15.0 - National Picks 6 to 10 100 18.2 133.1 98.4 20.5 6.5 6.6 1.4 1.6 3.1 4.8 7.7 33.3 National Picks 11 to 20 200 18.1 118.7 91.6 16.6 7.4 7.2 1.6 2.2 3.8 5.7 6.3 16.7 National Picks 21 to 30 199 18.5 85.9 63.8 9.3 8.0 8.1 1.9 2.8 7.7 14.2 4.3 14.2 National Picks 31 to 50 396 18.9 78.3 61.0 10.2 8.4 8.4 2.2 3.1 7.2 10.7 3.3 6.3 National Picks 51 to 70 338 19.5 47.4 38.0 4.3 9.2 9.4 3.8 5.5 12.5 28.2 2.1 4.3 National Later Picks 168 19.9 40.5 33.9 2.9 9.0 9.1 3.7 5.8 33.6 56.0 1.9 2.8 Rookie Picks 1 to 10 154 19.7 45.3 32.6 3.9 9.6 9.9 3.3 5.1 19.3 38.5 1.8 2.6 Rookie Picks 11 to 30 292 19.7 38.0 29.2 2.7 10.4 10.2 4.4 6.0 17.2 32.4 1.6 2.1 Rookie Picks 31 to 50 229 19.9 35.0 26.9 3.4 10.1 10.4 4.8 6.7 17.6 32.7 1.5 1.9 Rookie Later Picks 213 19.6 23.3 16.6 1.4 10.9 11.0 7.3 10.1 30.4 71.0 1.4 1.7

Supposedly West Coast love McKercher, so, if true, your scenario of McKercher and Curtin would be of interest to them.

Caddy is aggressive, which I like, but he's also a fumbler and two grabber, which I don't. For me he lacks class. I'll be shocked if we take him at 6. I wouldn't take him with 11.