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There's is no rumoured "big fish". It's just a hunch from a journalist.

Yes, it's a different coaching environment. I'd get rid of him, but I'll back them to make the right decision. Turn the list over. Harmes, White, King (who I really like) Every spot is valuable. Toumpas has no elite AFL traits.

True. And we hang on to them and hang on to them and hang on to them.

I'm most excited by the King contract. He looks pretty special.

Nearly everyone accepts he was rated a top 3 draft pick, let alone pick 4, so it's just one of those things. I'd get rid of him now while he might have some value. Keep turning the list over.

I hope Hogan is just guessing about where Frost will be playing in 2016. He's far more suited to the back-line.

Pass. The classic case of someone who goes to an ordinary club and is very underwhelming.

Forget a "low salary", how about "fair market value" ?

It's impossible for him to prove his detractors wrong. Outline to me how he'll do this.

Watts being dropped for round 22 and his 18th finish in the B&F is a portent of things to come. The refusal to rule out trading him is also a shot across the bow. If Watts remains there are clear signs that unless he raises his effort levels he'll spend more time at Casey than Melbourne. The ball is in his court.

This strikes me as a classic early rumour that quickly gets squashed and we'll have forgotten it was even mooted in 3 weeks time.

In relation to the comparisons made with Yeo and Gunston. Don't worry, I love Brayshaw as much as you, recognise his talent and rejoice at a great debut year.

I'm like a puppy dog compared to most on here these days, yet you highlight this ? But yes, I understand why you're drawn to do such things.

There's not a person in footy that doesn't think Hartlett's not an elite talent, but in reality he's been a tad disappointing due to injury and inconsistency. The club would love him for pick 6, but I'd be amazed if Port let him go. I'm surprised so many of you needed a highlights package to realise his talent.

Brayshaw hasn't done anything either, but he's a talent we'd hate to lose. Just like Gunston and Yeo. Look, I'm wasting my time on this thread.

Yes, and I disagreed and explained why.

Gibson wasn't a cast off. Gunston most certainly wasn't a cast off. Yeo was a highly rated young talent at Brisbane. Wellingham wasn't a cast off. Cripps wasn't a cast off. Clearly, you've no clue what I'm talking about. I'm all for recruiting someone who we see as a good fit for a "role", but I don't want vanilla midfield spuds like Bastinac who have shown they're not best 22 at their incumbent club. Hale was on the outer, because North had Goldstein and McIntosh, but Hawthorn identified a role for him. Players will be assessed on a case by case basis, but I see no value in a player like Bastinac whatsoever.

We should try and trade for genuine class (unlikely to land anyone) or develop through the draft. I'm a bit over the oppositions cast offs.

No I haven't. Vince's best year is better, but I'd argue they've been similar in overall output. I also believe Hartlett has the higher ceiling. My point was it's silly to say Hartlett has "clearly been better". But I realise it's nuanced and perhaps difficult for posters, such as yourself, to understand.

Who are you agreeing with ? I hope not me. Hartlett has the superior upside. However, it's silly to suggest he's been better than Vince, as they've been about the same and Vince has a couple of milestones that have eluded Hartlett..

Yes, I know he's 3 years younger. I've said it in this thread before you. Yes, I'd hand over pick 6. I've said it in this thread before you. No, he hasn't been better than Vince at Adelaide. Who do I think has the higher ceiling ? Hartlett.

Vince's best year is better than Hartlett's. Anyway you slice it or dice it 27 possessions is better than 22, especially in a B&F year when your team finished 5th and won a final. That's a bit better effort than Terlich's third in a 2 win year. Vince also has 2 x B&F's to his name. It's silly of you to say that Hartlett is clearly the better player.

That's not true. Like Vince, Hartlett is an unfulfilled talent and unlike Vince at Adelaide, Hartlett hasn't won a B&F at Port.

His ceiling is higher and he's 3 years younger than Vince when we drafted him. Just hit his prime. No time to be conservative.

No, he's 25 and plays 90% of the 2016 season as a 25 year old. But yes, he has had injury issues.