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From memory you argued with me last year about Brayshaw, I said he'd play round 1 and play 20 games. You and others kept harping on about him developing at Casey. Last year I said Hogan would kick over 40 - 50 goals and was ridiculed for "unrealistic expectations". Of course, my expectations were never unrealistic and based purely on what I'd seen and sensible analysis. Petracca is no different. If his confidence is in the right place he will have a Hogan like season and kick 30 goals. Start searching for pie recipes now.

You summed it up, lack of depth in the role. They know he's a far better defender, but if you've got other key defenders and are lacking in that forward/ruck role you may use a bandaid approach. Frost is the bandaid. Max King has a tonne of ability, but until he's ready alternative measures may be sought. I hope like hell it's not Frost, because he is a poor forward. I reckon he can be a terrific defender. So yes, obviously Frost may play forward, but nobody, including Roos, has it as their preference. Surely this is obvious to you.

Your inane post is barely worthy of a response. Clearly Frost can pinch hit as a second ruck and also play as a forward. Just as clearly he's a dud forward and far more suited to a role in defence. But you'd know this if you had any semblance of ability in analysing the game. There's a reason the club picked up Weideman and Hulett. We have a dearth of quality tall forwards.

Nah, Petracca will be a sensation if he's confident in his knee. He's already 20, unlike Trengove who excelled in his debut year playing every game as an 18 year old. And forget the bit about "playing against men", Petracca will be stronger than most of hem. Happy to disagree.

You can tell when a man is on a mission. Bodes well.

Except the reference to the Salem and Watts B&F finishes were the most minor part of my post. It was included at the end as an aside. That said, a second year player finishing higher than a 7th year player from half the games played is telling, even to a fool; especially when said 7th year player had been dropped twice during the season. Btw, this was a 7 win season, not a 2 win spoon season, meaning the results of the B&F had increased merit. Talk about doe-eyed dolts.

A non sequitur statement. I wouldn't expect anything less.

Don't take offence, but if I needed advice on football you'd be the last person I'd contact. If I need advice on drinking I'll be in touch.

In his 6th season his new coach decides to try him as a midfielder. Anyone with half a clue knew that wouldn't work, but it's fair enough for a new coach to try. In his 7th season the club is still trying to find a position for him and decide to play him more as a high half-forward. On the way to getting dropped twice he produces a stunning return of 10 goals from 20 games. After 2 years with Roos this wonderful "finisher" is yet to produce a season better than his third/fourth. Since 2011 he's averaged 16 possessions/5 marks; 2012 18/5; 2013 14/5; 2014 17/5 and 2015 16/5. He never gets any better. Second year player Christian Salem played 10 games (left the field in the 1st quarter never to return in one) and finished ahead of him in the B&F. That's how much the club rates this "finisher". But still doe-eyed dopes rate this player.

Thanks for the reminder.

"Gold, pure gold." "Love it." And you call prosecutions of infantile behaviour and being excited as "over egging the pudding" ? Your football acumen matches your vapid commentary.

No, funny haha. Unintended consequences.

I didn't read you. Glad you're excited though...

You're thick as well as funny, Stu.

I'm not really talking about "the" media, I'm more talking about "social media". He gets caned.

I've not done any sort of analysis, but I'd hazard a guess that Watts receives far more support than derision. I'd put it at 80% positive 20% negative. But yes, he's no doubt one of the most scrutinised players in history. Elsewhere, a former number 1 draft pick in Tom Boyd is regularly under the microscope. Clearly it's not sought after, but it seems to come with the territory. EDIT: But yes, for different reasons Boyd's under scrutiny.

No. I've already seen it.

It seems that some supporters actually forget what they watch when they go to the footy or sit in front of the box and need reminding by watching a 9 minute "highlights" video. This said video samples 460 quarters of football. The "highlights" are preciously few from those 13,800 minutes of actual playing time.

Even if it only brings players closer together it's been worthwhile.

Judd paid us lip service because his manager respected Craig Cameron. Source ? His manager. He never contemplated the Dees in any serious way.

I love my golf and will enjoy reading Steve Williams' autobiography "Out of the rough". He's caddied for Norman, Woods, Scott and I believe in his early days PeterThompson. Maybe even Ray Floyd. No good if you don't love golf though.

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It's a pointless argument. There are some, like me, who think Watts is as useful as [censored] on a bull and others who won't hear a bad word about their little darling. All will be revealed in 2016. Binman will be taking a vacation.

Bob Murphy had been a terrific player, but he's 3 rungs below Flower. Buckley was a great player and certainly accumulated more than Flower, but he was more robotic and lacked Flower's brilliance. It's very hard to rate different types from different eras, but if the ball was kicked to Buckley and Flower in a 1 v 1 I'd back Robbie to end up with it 7-8 times out of 10.

Fair enough. You can only judge players against other players from their own era. Flower is named on the wing in every "best of" team of the 1980's and has been named on the wing in some from the 1970's. In my opinion he was without peer as a wingman in his era. He was a better footballer than Keith Greig. Flower kicked 315 goals, Grieg kicked 47. To this day it annoys me that Flower didn't take Greig's place on the wing in the TOC. By the way, I'm not just judging them on goals kicked, but overall skill and ability. You wouldn't see a better mark for their size than Flower. And no-one sold candy like Flower. Craig Bradley, Dipper, Hawkins and others rated him the best they played against. He's not in the same stratosphere as Matthews, Whitten and Carey, but he's definitely worthy of superstar status and sits comfortably alongside anyone the next rung below. Flower wasn't a key forward, so it was virtually impossible to have that type of impact, and we must remember that the game was played differently in those days. It's also worth bearing in mind how hard it is to play in a crap side. It is FAR more difficult. Imagine how Flower would be remembered if he was surrounded by quality for the bulk of his career. Flower and Peter Matera are the two best wingmen I've seen.