samcantstandya

On 12/04/2024 at 14:14, Gawndy the Great said:

So usually coming inside 50 after stagnant ball movement there is a defender sitting infront of the goal square ~15-20m out. Our forwards usually 2 or 3 of em in the goal square with the opponents.

Why wouldn't you lead into both pockets and the 3rd forward come straight at the defender. Lead hard and make the defender sweat once you place the ball there. Doing so would draw more free kicks then not (from holding, blocks, chopping etc), your likely to create some panic in defenders. 

That's one thing, there are so many plays, patterns you could do. Why don't we do this? it is U12 forward craft. We take 1-2 contested marks every 3-4 games with the current method of long bomb and hope. It just doesn't work and yet 4 years we persist with this [censored]. Drives me insane. 

People wonder why some go after Goody and the coaching staff. its for these reasons. These are the cracks that get covered with wins. We don't need a generational forward to change this - it is just basic tactics. 

Our forwards are too static and predictable. They clump together and make it easy for their opponents to defend. Also going to the pockets makes it less pressured for them as well. Would like a new forward approach and definitely a new coach going forward. Stafford played in the ruck and his coaching shows that. 

On 12/04/2024 at 13:15, Winners at last said:

"Things are never as bad as they seem."

 

Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird.

Sometimes they're worse.

12 hours ago, Dusty_Hill said:

That behaviour from him was an absolute embarrassment. Didn’t care who won the grand final last year until I saw that carry on and was so happy that they lost. Happy to support a team that doesn’t carry on with such rubbish win or lose. He is a complete and utter disgrace to football what else is there to say. 

Thought what Answerth did was pathetic and a reflection of his [censored] character. Thought the same of Sydney's Parker against Essendon. Dislike both.

3 hours ago, Chook said:

He plays a lot shorter than Flower though. Flowers’s marking prowess looks to have been underrated based on what I’ve seen (too young to have seen him live). 

He was a good high mark

On 21/03/2024 at 16:29, Deeoldfart said:

Robbie was not only the best, but the most ‘graceful’ player I have ever seen in my 70+ years watching football.  Absolute ‘poetry in motion’, and I feel privileged to have seen him play.   To my eye, nobody will ever match those traits, but gee, Caleb Windsor looks like a future star!

He has a lot of ability, but he isn't Flower. I had the priviledge to see him play. He baulked, blind turned, evaded and took screamers. He'd run and bounce with his left hand and kick goals with his right foot. He was a fair player and I remember Mark Jackson nearly got killed at training by the rest of the group when he got too physical at training with him. 

13 hours ago, Dodos Demons said:

The matrix table which contains the grading of classifiable offences and in particular, the grading of the degree/level of “contact” (ie the force)  is open to so much wriggle room (aka for the “stars” of the game) and ambiguity because of one sentence buried in the tribunal guidelines under the definition of impact. That sentence is as follows:

“The MRO may however consider the potential to cause injury to upgrade impact from negligible to a higher level of impact.” 
Wait for the day that a fresh air swing or missed bump that May otherwise have collected an opponent on the head results in a Demons player being suspended. The inclusion of a clause granting the MRO with unfettered discretion to upgrade is an indictment on the tribunal system as a forum for fair and impartial adjudication of these matters. 

It has already happened to us when Brent Moloney went to strike someone but missed. Also Chandler got 2 weeks went he ran and laid a perfect tackle but the momentum forced both to fall forward.

2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

The podcast would be drastically improved if at the start of every sentence Andy said Mum, Binman said Yum and George said Rum instead of Um

Rum improves everything

7 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I hope this won't be challenged.

I'm surprised by Goody saying he won't ask KP to dial down his aggression.

Third time now in a year he's been suspended. He can be the best player in the AFL but he's no good if he's not on the field.

He's not only letting the/ team down but also himself. I want to see the best version of Kozzie.

Also Jvr needs to settle down a bit.

It was be very silly for him not to play in the Carlton final when we so depleted of players.

Perhaps Viney can mentor them both about channelling their agro.

I'm sure the fire in them is part of what makes them good players but they can become even better if they can he harness it.

May is a great example of someone who used to have a problem in this area who totally turned it around.

Maybe Goody will have a quiet word behind closed doors.

KP is a very important player for us and this is an important game before our bye. It's also the second one he will miss this year.

 

 

You make a really good point. Why can't they be like Viney tough but within the rules. I can't remember when Viney was ever suspended and he is very aggressive but within the rules. Viney needs to mentor Kossie.

15 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Wait til you read Carros article in today’s Age. It seems us winning isn’t suiting the media’s death ride hopes for our season. Despite two magnificent road wins being celebrated, the media have focused on Kozzy and his light bump, Goodwin describing it as light, slandering Oliver further and how we are experiencing on and off field drama

Like you said, us winning doesn't follow the narrative they want to run with.

2 hours ago, Dingo said:

Yes there is - l used to be a teecha

Still am and there still is (Brisbane's.....)

12 hours ago, M_9 said:

May and Woey in for Hore and Chin. Marty will get his opportunities. Not sure Bill will, especially when/if McAdam gets fit.

We'll need sub, so maybe Bill makes it afterall.

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

We haven’t beaten better opponents though. Hawks are a bottom 4 side, and Dogs will be lucky to make finals. 
This game will be a better indicator of where both sides are placed for the season. 

Reckon Dogs & Hawks better opp than Weages & Tiggers

9 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I’ve genuinely never had issues with Hawks fans beyond being arrogant when they were a powerhouse side, which I don’t think is unusual for any supporter group. 

However on the train ride home yesterday, a bunch of highly intoxicated meathead Hawks fans were incredibly aggressive and abusive to the Melbourne fans, including the kids around them. Dropping f bombs, threatening to beat up anyone who told them to be quiet etc.

 It was disgusting and downright scary behaviour. I was relieved they got off the train soon after my dad did or I would have removed myself and waited for another train. In 2024 I would think this type of [censored] would be reserved only for the lowest of Collingwood scums, but apparently not. Haven’t felt this unsafe since the Pies final last year. Not ok!

Yeah, I despise Collingwood with a passion, aren't far behind, their supporters are tools.

8 hours ago, DEE fence said:

I have three metrics - There is the perception of the club, and then there are the fans of the club, and then the players. It has always been the tightest of races with Collingwood out in front now on all 3 counts. I have worked at Vic Park, their fans match the cliches. The fact that they won 4 GF in a row, bar them in ‘58 we would have had 6 in a row, generations of reasons to hate. And of course the ‘23 QF…funnily enough I have had grudging respect for many pies players it just doesn’t outweigh the hate.

Essendon, mad hate leavened by some of the Madden brothers who I have met and consider good blokes, but then when you consider basterds like Sheedy, Long, Fletcher, Hird, Lloyd, Wallis, Duckworth, Andrews and Stringer, well its like the scales of justice with an elephant on one side and a mouse on the other. Supporters extremely arrogant.

Carlton, Pig’s Ar$e Elliot, Sticks, 99% of their supporters, very small redeeming factors like Justin the clumsy giraffe, Doull, Jezza and Kouta. It is intolerable that they beat us in the semi last year, still burns

Daylight to the rest, nothing beyond antipathy. 

 

I did teacher training with the Madden brothers and they were indeed good guys, but their supporters are the poplar opposites.

3 minutes ago, loges said:

To be honest , there will only ever be one Wizard and that is Geoff Farmer

Without being pedantic it's Jeff. it was probably autocorrect.

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

What's Gerald Healy's problem? Did we push him out or something?

Also, currently searching online for a novelty jumbo sombrero to eat re. Tomald showing composure and restraint down back. 

Healy has always disliked us since he left for $$$ in Steak'n'Kidney.

4 hours ago, Demonland said:

Davo-27's 2024 Top 30 Rankings, Pre-season

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh (VC) - 181cm - high marking, midfielder, with good centre clearances and general quality disposal of footy, i still think he is likely number 1 pick going into the season
2. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham (Bris FS) - 179cm - quality small forw, who can also play as an accumulator midfielder, gathering over 30 disposals, good kick at goal, disposal and movement isnt as smooth as Brother Will, but has great flexibility of position
3. Leonardo Lombard - GCS A - 178cm - great movement and use of footy, moves around the ground well, looks elite at VFL level
4. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm - accumulator mid with good accuracy at goal, can grass a few kicks, but works hard all over the ground to gather the ball and provide run
5. Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm - another accumulator mid with amazing work rate, can kick the ball a bit flat and i would like to see more of him, but every time i've seen him i have rated him highly
6. Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm - he was the best player for VM at u16s as a mid and hbf, lacks a little speed, but just wins contests and is a good user of the footy, his height also gives him flexibility of roles
7. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo (NSW) - 192cm - vice like hands like Stewie Loewe, contested mark specialist, good in the contest, his hands are so good that i think he will have no trouble at the next level playing KPF
8. Harry O'Farrell - Calder - 196cm - strong KPD player who has taken a big step last year and could be the best KPD option in this years draft
9. Jonty Faull - GWV - 194cm - made a big impression late last year also coming from nowhere to stake a claim as 1 of the best KPF options
10. Tyler Welsh - WWT (Adel FS)- 191cm - showed his worth dominating for SA as a mobile FF who really gave SA some punch up forward, his height is a concern as he doesnt have the vice like grip that Jobe has, but his athleticism is very good and could make up for it? if he doesnt grow could be a valuable 3rd forward which lowers his value a little, but still a high end talent
11. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo - 187cm - i have seen a lot of him play in defence and he is just a competitive and skillful player, moves so smoothly for a tallish player and gives his all
12. Christian Moraes - Eastern - 182cm - has had an amazing 2023 and i hear he is on track to have a great 2024 season
13. Phoenix Hargrave - Sth Adel - 182cm - had a huge u16s year, won sanfl u18s mvp last year, smooth moving midfielder
14. Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham/Tas - 184cm - strong inside mid who can play on the outside, can win his own ball and deliver it well, another Tassie player like Sanders playing for Sandy and he looks great, going a bit early, but he has great potential
15. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh - 186cm - hbf who is moving into the midfield this season, beautiful kick and movement
16. Nash King - Calder - 181cm - love his toughness on the inside and run, but his kicking has dropped him down the rankings a little
17. Zak Johnson - Northern - 185cm - beautiful kicking midfielder, impressed at u16s with his kicking at goal and in general and also had a good year last year, so im expecting more of the same.
18. Joe Harrison - Syd A 179cm - small sample, but he was amazing in a state game, will have to see more
19. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland - 182cm - he has always been very good in every team he plays, i really like his character too, he seems to be very confident and capable
20. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg (Carl FS) - 184cm - playing more midfield he has surpassed his brother in form
21. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg (Carl FS) - 182cm - was fantastic at the u16s champs and has great potential
22. Murphy Reid - Sandringham - 181cm - he was huge for Sandy in the pre-season, in bursts he is super clean and skillful
23. Kayle Gerryn - West Perth - 198cm - ruck/kpf from WA, very talented tall player, had a huge growth spurt so plays with the skills of a small
24. Benny Barrett - Sth Adel (Port NGA) - 174cm - similar player to Ky Pickett, a strong player from the dominant SA team in the u16s
25. Tom Gross - Oakleigh - 180cm - tough midfielder, was not at his best this preseason
26. Otis Harvey - Swan Dist - 182cm - good midfielder from WA, he has a big job to carry a weak WA team this year
27. Ricky Mentha - Gippsland/NT - 179cm - hff who is strong and a good kick, clever player who wins 1 on 1s
28. Luke Trainor - Sandringham - 193cm - he looks in great form in preseason, already looks ready for AFL, rising up my rankings, very good KPD potential
29. Sam Lalor - GWV - 187cm - strong midfielder for VC, lacks a little pace, but he has his fans
30. Isaac Kako - Calder (Ess NGA) - 175cm - quick goal kicking small forward, excitement machine

We'll miss out on Ricky Mentha (Melb NGA) if this list is the actual order of players picked. Mentha needs to fall outside the top 40 for us to grab him.

3 hours ago, poita said:

Five changes for round 1 is a clear admission that we royally stuffed up the opening round team.

Hopefully we never see Laurie, Schache and Spargo again. Chandler very lucky as well, but I have no idea what Tomlinson did wrong. 

Chandler has been lucky for a long time now. He played well in the first 8 -10 games then has dropped off something chronic

6 hours ago, DeeZee said:

Chandler or Woey the sub

Chandler, Woey will offer us more. Chandler needs to lift

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

I believe they all have their strengths that the structure doesn't cater to.

Schache can mark well when given clear air and is a good kick. Needs the others to kick well to him and for the halves to pushing be away from goal.

Chandler will hit the ball at pace, manoeuvre in tight areas and when 'on', snaps well. Ball has to hit the ground or a chaos delivery, for him to come into his own. 

Laurie is more of a mid, though works best when the stoppages occur, powerful through the hips and will bring others into play.

Spargo is a pressure forward, though if they get the ball into his hands outside the 50, he can hit up players. Bombing it in, then he is focused on the defender and not creating.

Shame coaching staff don't use players' strengths

11 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Tired of Chandler being gifted games. Lucky to be sub.

Hore and Kozzie for Bowey and Laurie.

Bbb or Fullerton for Schache.

Chandler has been gifted games because of his early season 23 form, but his form dropped and he should now spend time at Casey trying to regain it.

7 hours ago, Bates Mate said:

Best call for his long term health. But really sucks from a team perspective. In our top 5-6 must important and best players. 

Dark day for the the Dee's and the AFL in general. That Maynard hit has ended his career and the AFL ticked it off as ok.

They suck and so does Maynard.

27 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Nice to see that our wingers are ranked 4th (Hunter) and 8th (Langdon) and we have another three coming through in Woewodin, Howes and the Duke although not necessarily in the order.!!

Always thought that Hunt could've been a good winger for us.

22 minutes ago, M_9 said:

The two words I like seeing in the same sentence are ‘Oliver’ and ‘training’.

He'll come back into the side and will prove his detractors wrong - he'll dominate

1 hour ago, Back pocket said:

Great to see so many numbers show up and watch the boys - I imagine we will be inundated with reports from today.

 

Rufus du Sol and Fred Again were blasting through the speakers as the boys warmed up before getting into 4 periods of match sim.

 

• No shows: Oliver, Brown, Smith
• Present but not involved: Melky, Hunter
• Running on side: Jefferson, Sparrow, AMW, Petty (Petty did get involved for the last period of match play)

 

A few notes from match sim:

 

• There was a focus on changing the angle of the play, very aggressive ball movement
• Bowey was absolutely brilliant rebounding off half back, often linking up multiple times in the one passage - players were looking to get the ball in his hands 
• As much as people won’t like to hear it, ANB was playing through the midfield and was one of our best
• On a similar note, TMac was also good down back - competed very strongly in the air, however you still have to worry about his decision making and kicking coming out of defence. Will be competing for that third tall spot
• Max could do what he wanted today. Manhandled Fullerton in ruck contests and was putting the ball on a platter to the mids. Fullerton not offering a contest at all. Update: Fullerton limped off with a lower leg injury right at the end - the only injury concern to come out of today.
• I thought Verrall was the most impressive of the backup rucks, at least provided contest at stoppages compared to the others - it is a bit worrying if Max does go down though (touch wood!)
• Chandler heavily involved in the opening period, both in the link up and on the scoreboard 
• Rivers was great in the B teams midfield, Laurie also competed well in there and was heavily involved
• Hore solid, and will be fine if needed to come in
• Howes interestingly started in the A teams defence, however did not notice too much involvement
• The usuals: Trac makes things look easy, Viney is a gun, Fritsch our best up forward today, Kozzie and Roo got on the end of a few towards the end
• The wingers (besides Langdon) didn’t get near it today. Billings and Windsor hardly touched it. Windsor appeared to lack confidence out there. He was constantly on the receiving end of barking instructions from players and coaches - an overload of information. Obviously has plenty of time, but the other top few from the draft this year seem to be dominating their respective clubs’ trainings. 
• McQualter seems like a terrific pick up to replace Yze in the coaching ranks, was very vocal out there today
• My best players today (in no particular order): Trac, Viney, Gawn, Laurie, Bowey, Rivers, TMac, ANB, Fritsch 

Re best players only non regular is Laurie