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To the poster that asked about Yze, FWIW I was chatting to a player last week that said the mids absolutely love Yze. Bringing lots of new intel/initiatives to the group. He didn't really have much more to add unfortunately.

Here's the 'record'...

While not being a victim of racism myself i witnessed it many times at school,a German kid bought a brought a soccer ball to school training teacher in charge of training kicked it away and said we dont play that wog stuff here.The kid was reduced to tears he just wanted to fit in IT had a major effect on me,i got the ball and walked him home,ended up staying for tea had great time , english wasnt their strong suite hah ha the kid ended up my best friend and familys became close.Not sure why am posting this on here but i understand where you and Dieter are coming from.I was only 8 at the time ,changed my life .PS if this has bored you

A three day practice game should sort out the fitness levels anyway.

No further details have been announced but it appears as though Richmond are our practice match opponent for the weekend of 25 Feb - 28 February, 2021.

Under Section 9 of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 nationality is included in those criteria covered by the act as unlawful

Poor logic, D.Reemer. If we based recruitment on being a son of a great, we'd currently have Jake Lovett and Garry Lyon's three boys on the list. I'm only interested in Kobe if he's up to AFL standard. His breeding is irrelevant.

The stream last year against Nth Melbourne was great- hopefully they can arrange it again.

2019 is factually shown why we were poor. The number of days missed of preseason as well as games missed by best 22 players in season due to injury does not lie. How we ended up with so many needing surgery, nursed through or playing underdone and whether we had a game style and team selection that considered this is up for question. 2020 there was no excuse. Everyone was under trying conditions. Every team had to pivot to some extent. We had games we did not show up for. We had games where we were on. Through the swings and round abouts of it all we were not good enough to qualify for finals. 2021 I am sure will throw up challenges of varying sorts. However we have lost no one from our best 18. All other than Jones, Hibberd, Melksham and Jetta should not be in career decline. We have some 2nd -3rd year kids in Pickett, Jackson, Rivers, Petty, Spargo, Jordon, Sparrow who should bring more quality to our 19-25 range than those we have shed. Them you possibly have a breakout of one of the three (four) newbies in Bowey, Laurie, Rosman and possibly Farmer to inject some first year energy or speed that we have historically lacked. This is before you include the value of Yze and Choco who both may be bigger recruits than Brown when he get on the field. 2021 holds no excuses.

Well done winners and thanks as always macca! Love your work!

And we have a winner in the post season tipping comp! @Go the Biff picks up his 2nd post season award after overtaking @Dee Zephyr after today's result. Getting over the line by correctly picking the Tampa SB victory Well done GtB and fully deserved too. You stuck with Brady right throughout the playoffs and it paid off Well done to DZ as well in finishing 2nd - DZ was the first to post up his tip for the SB (which gave the rest of us a chance!) Nobility is alive & well And thanks to all for your participation. The post season comp has worked better with the bonus points on offer (in my view) but I also believe the regular season comp should stay as it is. Let the tradition continue n.b. Hall of Fame stats to follow directly Anyway, here's your prize GtB! Final Leaderboard - Post Season Tipping Comp 26 - Go the Biff 22 - Dee Zephyr 20 - Macca 16 - Clintosaurus 13 - Gorgoroth, JV7 6 - DeeSpencer* 3 - DemonDave* *Denotes started late in the comp

He don't understand and your reply makes him and me and everyone else still not understand.

Too Buccan good he is Tom Brady. Well done Tampa and cheers to @Maccafor running the comps. Good entertainment.

I'll start with a negative.... Signs similar to this ( see the bottom of the page) were featured around the outside of the ground and were concerning. I thought about wiggling under the fence to get in but then had horrible visions of getting stuck and a slithera feasting on an unfortunate PF For dinner so decided against it. Training report . I arrived around 9.30 to see that the ground was in "Pristine" condition. The players were starting warm up drills and conditions were pleasant enough with the faint edge of a breeze to allow for comfort 1 No shows Kossie, Vanderberg 2 Modified programs Melksham, Gus, Austin Bradke Petty ( although he did feature in some of the drills) 3 Warm ups consisted of End to end 20 m apart with partner routine was to Throw ball in air spin on the bounce and kick left or right footed depending on where ball landed. Another one was to lie down flat jump to your feet and pass ball of 4 Simulated drill involved games of keepings of where pink jumpers would be running interference and players in blue jumpers were required to create options and to hit targets with close in handball 5 Simulated drill same as above but with ability to kick to targets further up the field the obvious match stimulation was to engender being creative and then defensive depending on which color had the ball 6 Whole ground simulation with tackling included. Again Pinks, and Yellows on rotation vs Blues in creating attack from defence and again being accountable for an opponent in zone like situations. Observations For me I remain concerned at the inability of players to hit targets mainly by foot, some of the kicks were either too short, way over heads or just sloppily executed. Although the wind did pick up the concern for me of addressing errant disposal is still a worrying sign. Point is at training your not going flat out so when real pressure comes on then skills under pressure will be found wanting. Similarly too many handballs are to players who arent really clear and therefore requires extra evasion to get clear. Having said that the players appear to be very fit and in good shape. Player observations OF NOTE Nathan Jones is not cooked yet was enthusiastic clean and robust, Bailey Laurie was very prominant with pace, class and cleverness, I think he will play very early Fraser Rosman, BELIEVE the hype, I actually thought I was watching Isaac Smith the way he moved and interceded the play with some lightning runs, he can hoof the Sherrin and can clunk a mark, Expect he will play sooner than later I was extremely impressed with Dogga Jackson ( yes thats his nickname) he's ready to take it to another level, athletic smooth gaining confidence and his body has developed nicely Another very impressive player was Tom Sparrow , for a big man he moved very well got involved in play and was no slouch in the skills department Tom Mc Donald has slimmed down but I'm not sure his pace has improved did some nice things but got caught with the footy a few times trying to do a "Dusty" dont argue Aaron Nietschke caught my eye a few times with some great solo efforts and displayed a willingness to be involved and with good skill set Toby Bedford , Kade Chandler, and James Jordon all showed something. Thats about it as I said when at CASEY WATCH OUT FOR SNAKES!! Cheers P.F

Apparently with the retirments of Varcoe and Wells, Collingwood has no indigenous players on their list. Given the findings of the much discussed review, it seems likely to me that Collingwood wanted Jetta for his value in developing indigenous culture from within as much as for any playing skill he could have provided. I'm being generous here. It's also possible to look at Collingwood's interest in Jetta as purely tokenistic. However, I'll assume the former rather than the latter.

Lets be real. We had both the Wagners on our list for 3 years. Surely Kobe Farmer, son of a great gets a gig for a year??

On a brighter note Ben Brown is the father of a new baby girl. I saw the announcement on Instagram and, after congratulating the new parents, made a plea that he doesn't sit her on his knee for the next few weeks.

“I don't think we can carry 3 talls in our forward line with the poor crumbers that we have. We can't rely on pickett or Spargo to even find the footy, let alone kick goals“ “how bloody slow are Tomlinson, Melksham, Brayshaw, Spargo, OMac, etc. I could have all of them coming at me at once and I reckon I could sidestep all of them” For the record can we assume you were hacked when these posts were made from your account?

Not sure if posted anywhere yet but Greeny posted this on twitter Great to see the boys, old and new, working together

Thanks to Picket Fence and Back Pocket and yes I was out there as well today - been doing shopping on way home - hence slow reply. I was told it was a closed session and therefore had to stand outside behind the goals. I never quite understand the "closed session" line ... I mean if anyone can name me more than one revolutionary technique that has been concealed that has transformed the game then please list it. Under Roosy (with Goody's input) we trialled an extra man running through at bounces about five years ago, but with the 6-6-6 that has become obsolete and even when we did use it, it wasn't the panacea for all our ills. But back to the session. Casey's surface is absolutely pristine - it is our main reason for training this far out but as with aths and its Albert Park move mistake, it is not quite the right fit. The problem with Casey is that it is like Waverley - not only is it invariably wet, it is incredibly windy - today was just a snapshot of what will be a regular thing if we continue our move out there, which the club is currently considering. As a result, players such as Langdon and ANB and others were missing targets at will into the wind and Jayden Hunt and sometimes Rivers and Rozman were intercepting and loving the opportunity such conditions present for the quicks. I did wisely buy my coffee on the way out there this week and once again traffic roadworks meant the trip home was close to an hour - unless you are Jordy Lewis and living close by, Casey is like a country venue. For me today was a tale of our gun forwards and two backmen. Pickett, who with Brown out, is now our No.1 weapon up there was missing - apparently headed back to SA for a family issue. Fritter again was our most dangerous man as the third/fourth tall and ANB again was lively pressuring as he does. But there is one small forward you can mark down for Rd 1 as a cert - Paul Spargo's son Charlie. He's no longer a boy - he grew up in the off-season and now is closer in style to Robbie Gray with his lively play a highlight. He spins in and out of trouble and moves with meaning. I have been on record as saying that despite having the football smart's, he is too small, not quick enough and not a longer enough kick to make it. Well this year he may even play in our midfield. He used to run like bambi through a forest waiting to be shot by a hunter, but now he runs like a man about to fool his tackler. He will play alongside Kossie and most likely ANB in Rd 1 and will give us a fleet of crumbers that is dangerous and with the three-tall plus Fritter set up, there should be a few of those. T-Mac seemed to be back with the forwards, although they never actually split into three groups, and he is trying - he always did in my view, just got slower and slower as the injuries mounted. He'll go close in our Rd 1, especially with Ben Brown out. A couple of other pointers I took away: Harrison Petty is in sensational form as a tall defender and is placing pressure on poor Tomlinson. Tommo's done nothing wrong, it's just that Petty looks like he's Tom Jonas providing marking strength and run today. Joel Smith also returned to the track today and was handy and may yet come into our defensive equation for Rd 1. Deakin Smith is worthy of a club number and should be our first supplemental player chosen. He's a classy small defender who ultimately might not make it, but is certainly worth a try at VFL level. As for the kids, Rozman is everywhere and Bowey looked lively. Laurie a bit quieter than last week. Kobe is a fair way off at this stage I think - sorry Farmer fans.

Not sure what was going through my head this morning when I woke up with a sudden urge to drive an hour down the highway to Casey, however as a fellow track watcher today I can most definitely agree with PF's point about our sloppy kicking. Lots of mistakes throughout the whole session (Langdon with quite a few, Bedford too). Although this may be due to training at "the windiest place in Australia" as one tradie that walked past put it. Not sure how training down at Casey in the wind will impact our skills throughout the season and hopefully it may be possible to move back to Gosch's in the near future. Was hoping that their would be some more match simulation today however I believe they moved it to Wednesday because of today's weather conditions. Hopefully I don't cross over too much with PF, but I thought I'd add my two cents. A few points to make mention of: - Tmac was doing some 1on1 contested marking with other key position players (Weid, Petty and Tomlinson), and may be back training as a forward rather than the wing now that Brown is out. - Was good to see Hunt hit all of the kicks I saw him take (unlike many other players). Positive signs as this has been his downfall in recent seasons. He seems more mature and composed this year. - Petty training as a defender and looking very very good. Spent a little bit of time in rehab. He may be competing with Tomlinson for that last key back spot. - It was great to see Gus out there joining in with the main group for the first couple of drills before returning back to rehab. Neita back out running is a great sight as well. - Vanders and Hibbo weren't out on the track however I spotted them doing some work on a bike (with potentially Viney as well). Mitch Brown was doing running and kicking drills on the side as well with Melksham and Bradtke. Kozzie missed the session, although spoke to a staff member and they said there was nothing to worry about there. - Rosman definitely catches the eye and was the draftee I noticed most. A strange kicking technique which can hopefully improve as time goes by. Laurie did some nice things too and was very clean with his hands. - Deakyn Smith was out there training again, although without a number (Farmer already wearing 48) and looked nice. May look likely to get a list spot now that Hore is on the long term injury list. Speaking of Farmer, he did make a few basic handball errors right in front of where I was standing and looks like he has some work to do. - Players split off into two groups at end of session to do running. First group consisted of mostly fringe players (plus Weid, Lever and Jackson) and the second consisted of mostly best 22 players (Sparrow and Petty in this group too). Was a somewhat strange mix of players. The main thing i noticed here was that Burgo included footy's and kicking skills in the first half of the running session, before doing some more straight line running without footy's at the end. A few of the younger boys Sparrow and Rivers impressed me most with their running along with Tmac who led from the front. The 5 first year players sat out of the running and spent time with Chocco. - Didn't notice Trac in the second half of the session and saw him walking around in casual clothes at the conclusion. Hopefully nothing to worry about though! - No snakes sighted! Hopefully I'll get to another session soon. Enjoy.

Reckon he would have been absolutely served a tonne of racial abuse. Especially when he wore that flouro green cap in a practice match to stop his Irish white face from being burnt in the February sun. The hat got ripped off, ripped up and he copped it massively

To be sure. To be sure.

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s9.html#:~:text=(1) It is unlawful for,of any human right or (1) It is unlawful for a person to do any act involving a distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of any human right or .

On page 33 of the book ‘Sport and Post Colonialism’ by John Bale and Mike Cronin, “Jim Stynes, originally from Ireland, described his astonishment at the level of racial abuse he had experienced over the course of a 12 year career”.

Word is he’s training the house down. Just imagine the elation when he kicks his ninth against the pies on QB. He’s all but got a spot just working out whether he plays ones or twos come March

Well he did play 300 games, won a flag, won 4 Best and Fairests and was a 2 time All Australian. You'd struggle to find a Demon player in the last 50 years with a better resume'.

I recall going to a supporters dinner at the Sydney Cricket Ground in 1996 where Jim was the main speaker He told of playing a reserves match against Essendon early in his career where they they were making disparaging remarks about Ireland so he meted out the appropriate retaliation to the main culprit after that he was chased around the ground by almost the entire Essendon team trying to bash him. So yes he was abused based on his nationality.

Hey Demonstone. Maybe I could've explained that a little better. What I was trying to say was that being irish is a nationality, not a race.

I find the most frustrating thing about Kane's nonsense comments is the fact they get a new thread here every time he opens his mouth. A nothing comment, with nothing to discuss further. Round 1 can't come soon enough.

This. People are far too easily sucked in by the bloodlines. Kobe Farmer will only pick himself on our list based on his current training standards not because of his last name.

I always reckoned it was ok to abuse poms, paddies and our sheep loving neighbours from across the ditch

Of course he would have been called names, but like wogs like me we can't complain, and when we do no one cares, or even call it racism.

Legend of the club for sure. But I'm sure how many games he will play in 2021. His tendency to lead with the head was a worrying trend in 2020 and a real sign of significantly slowing down.

Tell ‘im he’s D. Reeming!

Haven't decided if it was a great game for the general public but for those of us that appreciate championship defense it was brilliant. TB12 undoubtedly the GOAT now, he's squashed the silly 'he's Belichick's puppy' argument now. Mahomes and Reid had a very off night as Gorg correctly called it early. I thought we'd see a bit more open offense plays called in the second half but too many dropped balls and more stupid penalties cost them. Mahomes is special no doubt and he and the Cheifs will be back no doubt. Personally I was glad the torch wasn't passed just yet.

I love how Jetta resurrected his career and became a solid Back pocket. But if he isn't getting squeezed out of the side this year by a younger player. We are going backwards,

Yeah changed my mind 5 mins in. Too much shooting themself in the foot.'kicked themselves out of it. Arians and Leftwich have coached well.

I would but the D is being slaughtered. Andy is calling poorly, their punter is so bad they should sit him. They have to score a TD this opening drive and 3 and out the Buccs to get the momentum

No. The club might do a live stream at best.

Hate to say it but I agree

This game is done. I’m calling it. chiefs are all over the shop from the coach to the defence. Game over!

Chiefs are killing them selves. Terrible punts, not offence, dropping easy catches and their D is continually giving up terrible penalties. 14-3 with 6 mins left in. Second. Gotta score a tad before the half and not allow one for TB. TB D has been solid, running game is going great and allowing Brady time to throw as accurate as I’ve seen.

Don't mention the war. I remember eating Anzac Biscuits at Morning tea when a neighbour came in who was Turkish.He sat down and asked if he could have a biscuit and I said " No -these are ANZAC biscuits, they're not for Turks" To which he replied as he grabbed one "Get F..cked -we won" which was hilarious .

I wouldn’t get carried away by 2-0. Our opposition has been ordinary. Still, a win’s a win and two wins are two out of two which is a 100% record. However, North Melbourne and Fremantle appear to be the front runners and the big tests are yet to come.

I don't mean to offend coppers: some of my best friends are policemen and women. Surely, though, you've noticed how often when they're being interviewed some of them use 'big words' when a simple word would have hit the nail on the head. That's all. As for 'had I used 'politician' instead of cop, yes, that's a given. But politicians just lie and obfuscate. Anyway, like I say, no offence meant to the Copper Species, I love the work they do for us.

Another great win by the girls. It also showed the difference between top and bottom sides, where the ones at the top have that group of seasoned campaigners who don't stop for the whole game. Paxman was superb again, but not as noticed this week, but she was always in the scrap in the middle. Hanks was also fantastic, and has also learnt to put the ball on the boot to clear the pack in the middle. Simply appalling umpiring decision to award a HTB against her in the first seconds of the game. No prior at all. Still she stuck to her guns and along with KP just ground the likes of Conti into the ground. Lauren Pearce was fantastic again. She does more than just hit the ball out, she has great ground skills, and this was telling when having to play against Sabrina Frederick. Richmond needed her ( when she was in the ruck) and Conti to provide drive, and they didn't get it all game. Take away the first minute and the final couple of the game, and Richmond would not have scored a major. Don't you just love Goldrick. She just has one approach...see ball get ball...and heaven help anyone who gets in her way. Can't wait to see McEvoy and McGee out there with her, that will be one tough unit. Fortunately, we cut down on the handball this week. Kicks off the ground were used instead of trying to pick it up like last week, and the result was the ball just gets to the scoring end. We still have a propensity to go for short kicks, and against a better side, we would have paid heavily a couple of times. Bannan is a real find. She is what the recruiters were looking for. Someone who has played the game all her life, and has that background of knowing when to go and when to hang back. And has good overhead skills to boot! Loved McNamara again, she will be, and has been in her 2 games another great find, being a natural footballer. Can't go past the efforts of Lily Mithen. She has stepped up to a different level, and her ability to get ball to boot in tight situations was critical. With Hanks and KP they make a first rate on-ball brigade. We have 3 talents in there and most teams struggle to have one at that level. Up forward Bannan and Hore were the major scorers, but a shout out should go to Eden Zanker who gifted Hore one of her goals with a smart tap, and then she fills in the ruck position and still does a great job. 2 from 2. Much better position to be in than we have found ourselves in past years, where we were not winning the winnable games, and we had an injury list which limited chances. With only the hamstring loss of Petrevski, we still have a host of both experienced and newer players ready to go, so we can only get better.

Sorry, but the words, 'Kane Cornes' and 'relevant', do not belong in the same sentence. Who cares?

I cannot disagree with Cornes. But this year is a little different Excuses won’t save Goodwin’s job in 2021 This is the moment that The Weid and TMac must stand up We pay them a lot of money ?

Rapt if this the case. I love Nev and want to see the best for him and if that was a longer contract at Collingwood then so be it. But even better if he's staying with us.