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An Arthroscopy to repair minor cartilage under one of the best surgeons. I believe it is a good outcome. Could be back within the early rounds. I would take that under the circumstances,

What's this rational comment doing on demonland? Moderator?

There's not much point to life if you can't get excited at this time of year.

Arthroscopy is a surgical procedure orthopaedic surgeons use to visualize, diagnose, and treat problems within a joint. Yes, the word comes from two Greek words, "arthro" - joint and "skopein" - to look, meaning literally "to look within the joint", but the surgeon uses the arthroscope ( the small camera which displays pictures on a video monitor ) as a guide for his miniature surgical instruments. So hopefully the procedure was minor and Ben recovers quickly because the small incisions result in less pain for patients, less joint stiffness, and shortens the time for recovery.

Did anyone catch dan Andrews press conference last night? Assume It was regarding ben browns knee?

Yes its a fluff article, but actually worth a read. The Melbourne Demons are a genuine 2021 AFL premiership contender

One flare up is an ongoing issue? Alrighty then! Hopefully your footy predictions are on par with your political predictions ?

I am still very positive and feel that we have a real chance at top 4, it is up to the coaches and players to share belief and resolve, things can turn around real quick if you believe.

as Sir Humphrey said " never ask a question you don't know the answer to ...." Bruce may expose more than he wants to hear. Remember it was the Australian Crime commission which first alerted the AFL to check out what was happening.....

Lever had swelling in his knee on his way back from his ACL. He got back on the park ok. Tracc had a knee cleaned out after 2018 - He's gone ok since... Take a breath people!

It will be interesting to see if Mark Williams can improve our kicking skills, until we can kick the ball better we won't win a premiership.

No way - too sensible. I reckon we should panic, certainly well before we know the facts. After all, this is how the masses on the planet seem to operate these days.

As long as training is done like this: Then he should be good to go!

Better a minor arthroscope op now. Than a more serious or even same op running into the second half of the season. Sounds as if it is minor, if it was a major or really serious situation it would have shown up previously or when he is on crutches, Arthroscopes can fix minor problems, at the same time as looking, a gentle snip here, another there, and soon, no cartilage no problem. This is not the 1960's and he is not John Townsend. Wait for the orthopaedic surgeons report. Go Dees

My first thought was that Emirates, as key sponsors, would be horrified. However, having been sent this photo from a mate in Germany, it may not even raise an eyebrow (shout out to @dieter)...

I'm not an expert but this doesn't sound too serious. Best be conservative, get the knee right and make sure he's right for the rest of the season, including finals.

We have the pieces it's up to the players as to whether they have the mentality required.

Exclusive pic of BBB leaving the surgeon!!!

He had the surgery this morning. Knee surgery for new Demon Ben Brown

Eh.... I'm not too bothered. Imagine if we hadn't recruited Brown and it was Weid who was injured: We'd be going into another season with a dodgy forward line that'd just got dodgier. Now it ups the ante on the others to shine so they keep their place once the Brownster is back and fighting fit and pluggin' 'em....

I think the list is the best since 1998, the players like Jackson, Rivers and Pickett must step up and improve and BB needs to be on the park soon. As for winning a premiership lots can happen between now and September, we need our list to be relatively injury free and have at least 16 of our top players who play nearly every round and the finals. Premiership teams always depend on the core players and the bottom 6 must at least be competitive and make a contribution to the success of the team.

Sometimes arthroscopes are exploratory and sometimes they are just used to clean out the joint following a previous surgery.

I don’t believe we have the mental strength to string together a consistent season that results in threatening for a flag but I do agree with the point that there is more depth and capability in parts of the ground than we’ve had for a while. Small back/one wing/small frwd my only real question marks at the moment - I reckon in prior years I’ve had a LOT more question marks

He was a prolific goal kicker with the Doggies but was cruelled by two knee injuries from what I can remember, just before being acquired by the Dees. Nothing much was wrong with him with his ability to score goals for the MFC, however, the amount of goals that he had consistently kicked for the Doggies was not replicated at the Dees due to those severe and recurring injuries. Most of us, in the day, were jumping backward somersaults of delight at his acquisition; many of us were saddened by his debilitating knee and mobility problems that hampered a continuity of the many, many goals across many, many games that he was once able to achieve with Foot-is-cry. He truly was an absolute star forward - one of the best of all time - and largely unstoppable; his ability was observable from time to time in the red'n'blue - but was also short-lived and cut short a brilliant career. Up one week, down the next few, back in the team again, in recuperation. He was significantly handicapped by the longitudinal effects of the aforementioned injuries (the Doggies realised that he would struggle and traded him - otherwise, if he had not been so hampered in the legs, the MFC would have no chance of ever recruiting him off Footscray, and neither would any other team in the former VFL.) Templeton was one of the absolute greats who fell off the shelf in a time when knee injuries and subsequent surgeries were a very risky business.

Expected to commence running in 4 weeks. I thought he was suppose to miss the whole season as @Nelo suggested??

Not surprising, it was never going to be nothing. Interesting that it is cartilage damage - whether it is a rip in the cartilage or scar tissue hard to say, but these things are generally repairable.

It's someone's opinion. No need to get triggered or worried the players might read it. Would you rather one saying we are going to finish last?

Have heard it all before...

Most bandaging is PREVENTATIVE only. Approx 70% — ie not post injury taping. Especially ankles and shoulders. So if you rested all taped plates you’d be resting 70% healthy and fit players. god some ppl need to grow up. It’s SWELLING he doesn’t need a damn reco... ALL teams cop injuries, this is just insanity. He will be fine and has been dominating all PS with the swelling g club just want to be sure they are handling correctly.. crikey moses!!!

The trouble with Champion Data's "Eliteness" system is that they overdo the targeting of the stats they use for each position and as a result make some eyebrow raising conclusions. It is always "Elite in this set of statistics which we select as being the relevant ones for this particular position." It's the elite ratings process that Groucho Marx would come up with; "I'm the best 38-year old, mustached, 5 foot 6 inch, cross-eyed, one leg shorter than the other right fielder in baseball history."

At least we seem to be training to respond to/ take advantage of the new rule. I felt 666 caught us out.

The one rule change they need to introduce but refuse to consider is reducing the number of players on the ground. All these others are just tinkering around the edges and making the game harder for the umpires and more frustrating for the supporters.

Not sure whether it has been mentioned already, but the one positive is apparently BB is not in any kind of pain and the concern is more just in the swelling itself i.e. they dont want it to develop into something more significant. Having some degenerative conditions myself I can tell you that there is always pain and stiffness (and my Osteoarthirits is so small that its not even detectable on x-ray or MRI). No doubt he would have had scans on his knee following the original injury and MFC would have definitely known about any structural changes to the knee (i.e. osteoarthritis) in the medical. My gut feel is its something probably not so sinister like scar tissue (formed as a result of the injury) in the ligament / tendon creating some inflammation and swelling in the joint as it rubs some of the boney structures. Hopefully an arthroscopy can clean it up and will allow the effected tissue to heal properly. I'm expecting ~ 3 month layoff but i don't think we can write off his career just yet.

prepare yourselves for more contentious 50m penalties that will incense the crowd and be argued endlessly in all forms of media with all the problems with the game the afl comes up with this doozey.....wtf

Covid19 - It's a social distancing thing.

Yes but correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Big Maxy move off the line so therefore should it have been called play on and if after siren then goal doesn't count???

It is clear that Eddie was reading from a prepared statement when he said it was a proud day for the club. So how can he say he used the wrong words due to the pressure of the day? Clearly he/they would have been burning the midnight oil to get the statement right. So it is equally clear he/they were trying to pull the usual PR stunt of turning a negative into a positive. Indeed it was his opening sentence which is most carefully considered wasn't it ? (I ask because I can't find the full statement on line).

Some just love mass hysteria

I genuinely hope none of the players or coaches read that Please stay focused and understand there is much to do to even get into the finals - whilst having lots of potential this group has achieved very little to date

i hear he has intra-articular COVID.

Not if you're on the receiving end.

User name checks out. Pretty sure his reasons have always been to bring a spotlight on systemic racism. It doesn't have to make him or anybody else happy to be an important goal.

Much as it is fun to stick the boots into Colonwood, and Eddie in particular (and his “proud moment” comments were an absurd attempt at spin that would make Warnie proud) , I suspect that nothing much would make Lamumba happy. Some folk just love the victim mentality and will not be appeased by anything at all. Has he ever really stated what would he settle for?

Gawn was just interviewed on 3AW and he didn’t think the Brown injury was anything serious. Also said Viney should play one of the pre season games. I wouldn’t get too excited as Gawn strikes as me as a half glass full guy.

Yeah the AFL have brought in the rule to increase scoring, just like the other rule changes the past two season... which both lead to reduction in scoring. It’s supposed to restricts a team ability to defend and thus make the game faster and higher scoring. Teams won’t be able to force the angle of kicks because the man on the mark must remain stationary. The protected zone around the mark has increased also. Team mates aren’t allowed within five meters of the mark now either. Players can’t swap out who is on the mark, so if Charlie Spargo is marked over in the defensive 50, he can’t swap with Gawn etc. Word coming out of the clubs is they’re training their players to flood the defensive 50 as a way to combat not being able to control the angles of the field as much. It’s going to backfire for the AFL and lead to yet a further reduction in scoring. The rule changes the past few years have been ineffectual and pathetic and actually harmed the sport further. The next stage for them is to anchor players to parts of the ground for the entirety of the match, not just centre bounces.

Another rule that didn't need changing!! Like the 3rd man up! They need ot make these minor infringements 25m penalties.

I'm loving this. Mention the word racism & everyone has an opinion. Everyone is an expert. My score so far: 15% of posts from the apologist, conservative right, all overblown, nothing to see here 25% of posts from super woke, outraged, virtue signalling lefty warriors 60% of posts from supporters who just hate Collingwood and/or McGuire

These things never end well, remember how Andrew Mcleod, Shaun Burgoyne and Joel Selwood all struggled after being diagnosed with degenerative knee issues. They just couldn't get the management right and their careers ended prematurely. ???

Does anyone actually believe the club didn't thoroughly get him checked out before signing?