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  1. What a fantastic post, you've clearly articulated why any whinging about racism or oppression by white people is utterly ludicrous. Being called names doesn't hold a candle to institutional discrimination, oppression and in a lot of cases, genocide.
    9 points
  2. Both supporter-bases hate Scully. LMAO. Good to see Trac getting more notice.
    7 points
  3. Looking for to the new combo of Jackson and Weid. A partnership for a deade.
    7 points
  4. Dogs fans would be happy with his debut, but then I'm absolutely stoked as a Dees supporter to have Kozzie.
    7 points
  5. Agree, but Picket had more scoring shots then Weightman in his debut. I'm just shaking my head that people are already calling this trade a bust because Weightman kicked 2 goals last night. I watched the whole game and besides his 2 goals he did nothing. Didn't even lay a tackle last night at all. Pickett nearly took mark of the century against Richmond but you won't hear anything about that from our own supporters.
    6 points
  6. No, there's actually a pretty big difference - I quite like ANB as a bloke.
    6 points
  7. Coaching staff had to adapt last week with Tmac going down. Kudos. They have been stubborn so far this year. I'm hoping they can feel confident enough to win this with the 22 selected. I'm happy with the selection of Jackson now i think about it. I'm not sure the Carlton game was a realistic litmus test. Marvel is a tricky first test for a player, no crowd with the roof closed. It can be difficult to read the ball the first few times you play there. Also the 2nd half was putrid by all. My take is that Jackson will play deep, Weideman will be the leading target. Jackson's height will worry them if he gets a run and jump around the goal square (Not a license to bomb). Both Weid and Jacko can ruck. Either of them will ruck forward of 75m leaving Maxy a kick behind. The fact that Weid and Jacko can Ruck around the ground also gives the coaches a choice of resting Maxy in the forward line, in the hole in defence or time on the bench. Gives us flexibility and Fritta a license to roam. We should be fitter and smash them around the contest, if we can spread and kick the ball better again this week we win. Bennell, AVB, Hannan, Omac will be fitter and more confident after a few runs now. We turn it over like v Tigers/Cats we lose anyway so selections for mine are the right ones.
    6 points
  8. Cyril v Elliot? I know who I'd be taking.....
    6 points
  9. Scully - BOOOOOO Frawley - booooo Frost - meh
    5 points
  10. I’m glad we never picked up that Scully kid, sounds like a real crab.
    5 points
  11. Small marking forward? 0 tackles, 0 goal assists.
    5 points
  12. Eagles fans were spewing they took Masten after watching Cale Morton’s first game.
    5 points
  13. You have history on your side. Europe, for example, is full of these ethnic and religious prejudices and hatred, mostly of 'foreign- speaking' neighbours, but almost universally of Jews. It's the ugly side of the human situation. What I find disturbing, is that the notion of the 'inferior' or 'bad' other seems to be ingrained in all of us. I note how quickly prejudice and misinformation about the Chinese has risen to the surface recently, how quickly we condemn Muslims, how easy it has been to ignore the massive injustice we have perpetrated on so-called 'Boat People'. Most pernicious, is the condescending and almost lethal attitude to the original inhabitants of this country called Australia. I have encountered and heard so much racist bilge and bulldust about them and nowadays I lose friends and make enemies by asking the bulldusters to question the attitudes they were born into, to question the 'history' which mostly distorts the real story of these people.
    5 points
  14. I am more of an observer these days of Demonland. Living as far away as I do and taking on other responsibilities means that I haven't been able to follow football or engage in fan communities as much as I did. However, reading this thread, I feel compelled to respond to some of the comments as I am genuinely flabbergasted by many of them. I'd like to add some perspective to contest the idea that racism is essentially a contest of that says whichever person/nationality who is perceived to have made the most provocative remark, made the grossest assumption or took the most aggressive positioning in a debate is the 'real' racist(s). I need to say straight away that I am not the font of all knowledge on this topic, and can NOT say I can completely relate to the experience of Black people. Quite bluntly, I think that this conversation also should actually have someone actively identifying as Black in it as the vilification of a Black man is what most of it has revolved around (and my apologies anyone on here who fits that description who I have overlooked). It seems that it's mostly non black people sounding off and the people affected can not speak for themselves. However, I think that I can add something to the discussion based on my own experience as it relates to an earlier post. This will be long, but there is a point if you are prepared to read through it. It was mentioned by @Grr-owl that he has encountered racist thinking during his years lived overseas. As a white male who has lived in Japan for 10 years now, I will agree that one will encounter stereotyped thinking that can be presumptuous and on occasion demeaning to one as a person. I have had a range of things said and done to me over the years ranging from: △ having a waiter at a pasta restaurant that I was on a date at be told by said date that I would order the bolognaise sauce because 'I was a foreigner' ? △ being asked if I ate 'kangaroos' on my first day at work in my first year in the country ?  △being asked to leave a pizza restaurant because of my close cropped hair cut (there had been drunk US servicemen who had trashed the place previously at that venue)?, △ condescending comments about how it's amazing I can speak Japanese at all (despite living a quarter of my life here) and can use chopsticks (imagine the reaction you'd get if you praised ANY nationality for being able to use a knife, fork or spoon) ? △ being told to tell a group of students I was 'looking for a girlfriend' despite telling the teacher involved I am happily married (there is a stereotype among some that every foreigner is some type of hypersexualized skirt chaser)? My experience is not an isolated one. Many a Western expat will tell you 100 different stories about the stuff they hear from locals and the comments they make about western gaijin (foreigners). However, one of these comments that caught my eye came on a Facebook comments section when someone wrote something in a thread regarding some of the goofy s*** they hear in their day to day life in Japan. It was 'now know what it was like to be a black man in the USA'. My response to that (and apologies to @Demonland for the censored semi-fruity language, but this does make me genuinely frustrated and angry): Are you forking kidding me? By the sounds of what I wrote above, some might come to the conclusion that this poster was vindicated in that statement. Indeed, taken without a broader context in mind it would seem to be completely validated. However, one needs to actually look at systemic racism to actually realize that racism isn't just a case of the perpetually offended yet privileged screaming 'They called me a terrible name related to my race. That's racist (ergo my suffering is no different to Black people, indigenous peoples or persecuted religious minorities)!' Historical context and societal frameworks, and the zeitgeist one is born into is the determining factor. To make my point clearer, I'd like to revisit the example of Japan. Do I and other white guys encounter unenlightened attitudes? Make no mistake about it, we do. However, I would then pose to the reader this question: How should I compare the treatment Anglo-Saxon males (many who actively CHOSE to come here and can leave any time they like) get compared to ethnic Koreans in Japan? Theywere brought over as slave labor during WW2, their women were used as sex slaves by the Japanese military (which still is not properly acknowledged by many in the Japanese government even today as many of those political big wigs had relatives make tidy profits off the work that was performed), their country's heritage was nearly wiped out when the Japanese military government moved in, took over most of their businesses and forced schools to teach Japanese language. With that being the case, one might have considered that there may have been some attempt at rapprochement (ala Germany) with those ethnic Koreans who stayed in Japan after the war rather than go back to a devastated and now unfamiliar home land (itself about to confront yet another war) or those born to ethnically Korean parents during the imperial/militarist era. However, the constitution was set up to ensure that all benefits in the post war constitution went to the 'Japanese people', which in this country is defined purely by bloodline. This essentially guaranteed that ethnic Koreans here were basically stripped of the citizenship rights to someone ethnically Japanese born in this country (and in some cases, not born here). Not only did they not get the right to vote, they were excluded from the government run social welfare and medical programs the government implemented and had to turn up at their local city office to be fingerprinted up until 1993. With no access to the type of establishment connections and social capital that generations of Japanese families had, they were forced to live in the most run down parts of town and work in either hospitality, pachinko (gambling parlors), selling food on the street or in the Yakuza (one of the few societal groups open to most regardless of nationality). It goes without saying that a plurality of those jobs at best aren't deemed as prestigious and the other have a stigma attached to them. At worst, they were a cause of shame and caused many here to consider them societal debris. Hence, when they had to turn up at the city office to have their fingerprints taken, many ethnic Koreans were outing themselves (many often used the name given to them by the Japanese government) and subjected themselves to the contempt and harassment of their neighbors. In addition to this, ethnic Koreans still receive verbalized discrimination and prejudice quite regularly (which appears to me to have been defined as some as being the only recognized form of racism that exists) to this day. The Japanese extreme right wing regularly target Korean schools (which receive no funding from the Japanese government to the point they often have to rely on the DPRK government for funds) to the point where certain schools have had to close due to online and in person harassment campaigns. A coworker of mine once told me her school life was accompanied by constant taunts of being dirty and a North Korean collaborator by passers by as she went to school in her traditional Korean school uniform. Hell, two years in a row before the local festival in my little country town, the guy who hosts a local get together of locals that I was lucky enough to be invited to spent copious amounts of time convincing me that Korean gang members are taking over Sydney because of what his Japanese tour guide told him on a trip to said city. As an Aussie, this was news to me. With all of what I just wrote in mind, who do you think has the right to feel that their existence is more threatened when they are racially slurred? The person who came over here voluntarily and lives with the warts and all of Japan's ad hoc approach to diversity? Or the person whose life story is intertwined with the story outlined above? It's absolutely vulgar and offensive to intimate to me that occasionally naive yet discriminatory and offensive statements are the moral equivalent to rhetoric that is often employed to justify societal oppression of those marginalized (as I can guarantee has been the case in the Korean example I raised as well). Now, team that up with what @binman so eloquently summed up before. When someone like Stefan Molyneux peddles phrenology and race science, are people angry because he is simply being 'mean and offensive'? No. it's because that kind of slander was used to keep African Americans in their subservient position due to them being 'genetically, intellectually and morally inferior. When Heritier Lumumba becomes offended at being nicknamed 'Chimp' is it because he is a thin skinned, agenda driven zealot? No. It's because Africans were compared to monkeys and viewed as less worthy of citizenship rights (it was a consistently used slur by the French during the colonial period in Africa, and black men were actually displayed in zoos up until 1906). Are ethnic Koreans just a pack of snowflakes when one kills themselves as what happened in one case where one was bullied by their classmates so relentlessly and told that they stink of kimchi and they should commit suicide? No. It's because that rhetoric has also been used to deny them their rights and in many cases deny them jobs. History, context and current sociological status DO matter, and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. P.S. I would recommend that people on here read 'Where to From Here? Chaos or Community?' by Martin Luther King, 'Bury the Chains' by Adam Hochschild and 'The New Jim Crow' by Michelle Alexander to see if being called a honky on the internet is as egregious a slur as being part of a marginalized community being disparaged. P.P.S. Did I mention that indigenous people had their land taken from them and African Americans (and Haitians and Jamaicans) were brought to their new homelands in chains? Just thought I'd mention that if it wasn't mentioned elsewhere.
    5 points
  15. 6 tackles and 3 score involvements vs 0 tackles and running around packs waiting for a lolly? Kozzie>>>>weightman. That haircut could only get a run in the Western suburbs
    4 points
  16. It's not just the media reporting on racist idiots like Hanson. It's the medias reporting and agenda in general. I mean look at the commercial medias subtle and more often blatant racist reporting regarding "African gangs" "Muslim terrorists" "Aboriginal bludgers" etc etc etc It's not just racist agendas they drive, but they are often the most abhorrent.
    4 points
  17. If this club ever gets it's forward line right Kozzie will be the icing on the cake.
    4 points
  18. Apologies for piggy-backing on your excellent contribution - I'll just toss in a micro-example that I've kept for myself as a kind of touchstone. Amongst the general mess of abuse I (we all?) cop at random times in life, I have actually been quite viciously and even menacingly racially abused on a train. Thing is - it was by an obviously crazy person and I could walk away in full confidence that it was a freak occurance and that if things had spiraled out of control I would have all manner of institutions backing me up and could realistically assume the sympathy and assistance of the next person I meet the moment I'm clear of the scene. And in that thought lies the difference. The clarification for me was about having the humility to recognise that even though that was seriously alarming and unpleasant, the depth of it is nothing like what people have to navigate when they can't be confident of that institutional and social support. I'm of the 'unlikely to eliminate racism in my lifetime' perspective, but I see the goal of reconciliation (as the most pressing example) as being to reach the point where the experience of racism for Indigenous Australians is much the same as mine. "That was a crazy person, and that was upsetting, but I don't really have to think about it any more now that the moment is over."
    4 points
  19. Scully needs to stick tackles and hit targets at a minimum. Melbourne are a pretty physical side and with 3 ex Dees playing for us, I expected the game to have a fair bit of niggle in it. Melbourne are little like North to me; love to get real physical regardless of where the game is at and sometimes to the detriment of their movement. Looks like we get to see Scully squib a few more contests! Patton looks out of shape too, body is wrecked, move him on. (Selection) Very frustrating. We continue to play Henderson and Scully. Gawn has constantly pantsed BB (McEvoy) over his career, and we have no one even close to Gawn's height apart from Ceglar on our entire list but if he's injured so be it. Hendo, Scully , Smith and Morrison in same team. Melbourne have nothing to match it. If we can't beat Melbourne then serious questions need to be asked of the club across the board. At the moment I'd settle for Melbourne's game plan, it's manic and not very effective but at least it looks like they are doing something. If we get trounced by Melbourne, then I would hope for a clean out and just play the younger guys. The Scully experiment is done now. He can run all day sure, but he is just about the softest player I have seen put on a hawks jumper. Melbourne can’t score either so we are in for another eye sore. Get ready for “worst game of all time” media reports post game. The loser of this game is going to cop it. Melbourne are super slow and not skilful. They have Gawn who is awesome. But aside from him they are not a good side. I think we will win. But the score line might challenge that Richmond Swans beauty. Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw, Harmes is a very good midfield. May and Lever. They've got talent everywhere. That midfield has terrible skills. Viney, Oliver and Brayshaw are accumulators but burn merchants. They are not damaging. Petracca can be dangerous - until half time when he runs out of puff every week. Terribly unfit but talented. Gawn is quite easily the best player in either side and will tear Ceglar to shreds though. Hasn’t done much yet but have you seen some of the searing pressure that young Pickett puts on? It will be an interesting matchup between him and dare I say Dimma. Hawks need a smaller backline. Especially against Melbourne who have no key forwards. Petracca has been tremendous this season. No running out of puff and is putting in four quarter efforts. He's a different player now. The rest are tough nut hackers though, much like Mitchell, Worpel and to a lesser extent JOM. Their midfield is the equal of ours in terms of hardness (JOM, Mitch, Shiels and Worpel = Viney, Oliver, Harmes and Brayshaw). They are using their most dynamic player in the middle and he's been huge this season. We need to throw Wingard back in there or around the packs at least to match it. They've also got Gawn who will destroy Ceglar, and have some KPF targets to kick to. Weids And McDonald have played like 2 and a half good games since the end of 2018. Fritsch caused our defence issues last time.
    3 points
  20. Scorebored ? flattering North... Meanwhile, anyone else getting a bit of an Akermanis-ish vibe about Rankine? He's got the game, the body shape, the dumb hair, and the wet trouser commentators!
    3 points
  21. Scully's career was always destined for the toilet when he was offered $1 million a year after 2 seasons in the league. Accept it and play with the burden of pressure. Decline it and you're that "guy who turned down $1 million". I do believe he'd have been a much better player had he stayed at Melbourne. If not for a Sheedy vendetta, GWS may have thrown their coin elsewhere. Anyway, Dees by 12. Goals. Seriously, we should pansy them. Much better on paper.
    3 points
  22. May needs to play in an MFC premiership team - that was the plan with the trade.
    3 points
  23. Scully is just Neale-Bullen with a first round pick aura about him.
    3 points
  24. Scully is such a myth. He had maximum 2 years of good years of footy at GWS and the rest of his career has been completely mediocre.
    3 points
  25. DD what's your thoughts on Spargo playing a similar role to Caleb Daniel. Spargo made some very good decisions with ball in hand during 2018
    3 points
  26. Bruce is now a comical announcer. He's truly hopeless. His fawning for Weightman was on full display. It was a good debut, however, they overlooked his poor kicking - other than his great first goal. Small forwards can vary greatly and Pickett is more the type we need. Just on McAvaney. Try listening to him commentate and count the number of times he asks a question after he makes a statement. You won't believe how often it happens and nor will you be able to correctly remember the final tally. Here's a taste of what I'm talking about: He's truly the pits and you'll never listen to his commentary the same way again. And he does it EVERY single game.
    3 points
  27. They are professional manipulators they prey on the weaknesses of human nature to make scapegoats of minorities and blame someone else for the problems facing society. Politicians like Dutton are expert at it and assisted by Murdoch and Co. These people are too well resourced to be doing it unintentionally. These people often use the fig leaf of claiming to stand up for the right to free speech and that these sort of 'robust' conversations need to be had, but that's just BS cover for their racisim and wolf whistling. Unless you are talking about combating racisim it's self, to be genuinely look to solve problems of youth viloence, or terrorism etc, there is absolutely no need to bring race into the conversation if you are looking to have a productive objective debate. Bringing in race into the conversation in a negative context reinforces prejudices and us and them attitudes.
    3 points
  28. It completely depends on how it comes out. I held the view for years that it was important to let loose at the footy, but it depends how it manifests. You can just as easily release pent up emotions by exercising and channelling frustration into healthier pursuits. For years, I found friends didn't want to come along to games with me and my wife rarely wanted to either. I was brought up with my father screaming and shouting, and it rubbed off. Over the past 3 or so years I've made a concerted effort to calm the [censored] down a bit because I don’t like the aggression that comes out. I still shout a bit but nowhere near as much. Letting loose is fine but there are constructive ways of letting loose that don't impact as heavily on others around you. That said, if you can't raise your voice at the footy like some people seem to think in the MCC, then you may as well stay at home and watch it on the TV.
    3 points
  29. Didn't like the Selwood style lean-to-the-side-and-drop-his-head into op shoulder for a 'high' free. Umpire fell for it.
    3 points
  30. Pates l have Kayo so I can pause the stream but I'm sure you can do the following even with free to air with modern smart TVs. Step 1. Mute Bruce and all the other tripe on ch7. (it is now horrendous and ruins the game) Step 2. Listen to your choice of radio through the AFL app on your phone and play thru your Bluetooth speaker. Step 3 Pause the stream/live TV until it is in sync with the radio call. There were about 7 radio stations to choose from, even WA or SA stations for the masochists. I can't tell you how much more enjoyable an experience it is.
    3 points
  31. I did too. I also wanted Green or Young instead of Jackson. Rivers was one of the two I wanted once we got the 20s pick however. I think we made the wrong choices with the high picks, but it’s in the past now and I support the players that are now in red and blue. Pickett is very exciting and shows glimpses of greatness. Doggies are probably the best team to watch in 2020. They win contested ball but also have a good fast brand played through the corridor. They have genuine stars and X factor. Good to see them beating some of the less like able teams!
    3 points
  32. I couldn't stand anymore tonight DJ. Hit the mute button and I synced up the radio. So much more enjoyable. Bruce is now unlistenable, I can't handle it.
    3 points
  33. What a fantastic and enlightening post...not only enlightening but educational. Thanks for taking the time 'Colin'. Brilliant...
    3 points
  34. The R factor is a little illusory but in simple terms it's a measure of infection progression. If Victoria had a R factor of 1.5 we would be in big trouble in a short while. At an R rate of 1.1 a thousand cases becomes 25000 cases in 60 days https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/covid-19-what-is-the-r-number/ By lockdowns you depress the R rate simply by limiting the exposure each infected person has to others. Without lockdowns the R rate of this virus is estimated to be between 2-2.5 and by some as high as 6.(enormous numbers) BTW measles has a R rate much higher than this virus but vaccines prevent infection. Stay safe all.
    3 points
  35. Happy to go with Jackson ...whoever we would have picked won’t be the difference between winning & losing this game. We totally have the team to beat Hawks & I’d be hard pressed to find a reason for us to lose this. This game is on the players ...definitely not the coach & coaching panel!!
    2 points
  36. Whorethorn are not done yet. We must finish them off tomorrow
    2 points
  37. This is the front page of today's West Australian, the perfect example of how Aboriginal people are often treated differently than the rest of us in the criminal justice system. Try and imagine your 86-year-old dementia-suffering grandmother going to jail for spraying a neighbour with a garden hose. You can't. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "An Aboriginal grandmother with dementia spent nearly a week in a maximum-security prison after spraying her neighbour with a garden hose, in a shocking case that has WA Attorney General John Quigley questioning whether she would have been incarcerated if she were white. "The 86-year-old was charged with breaching a 'misconduct restraining order' in April after allegedly spraying her neighbour with water from a garden hose and swearing at her. "In Rockingham Magistrates Court she was remanded for 8 days at Maleluca maximum-security prison and spent 6 days behind bars before Legal Aid was able to free her. " 'I am deeply concerned that a woman in her 80's with dementia was held in prison cells for almost a week without the option of bail,' Mr Quigley said. " 'I have to ask myself whether an elderly white woman with dementia from a wealthy suburb would have found herself in prison in such circumstances."
    2 points
  38. Nothing too drastically stupid in there, the points about low scoring I’m really hoping that the win and high(er) score last week will give a few players confidence. Petracca is definitely getting noticed more, most weeks are a close to 4 quarter effort now. Hopefully his disposal is cleaner this week.
    2 points
  39. Agree, remarkable he was the standout. I remember him putting his body on the line in his first season. he could never kick though. Always had poor skills. He was just way fitter than anyone in the TAC cup
    2 points
  40. Im glad they hate on Scully, what a terrible draft for us it was and he hasn’t got any better.
    2 points
  41. 2 points
  42. I found it quite amusing in Max's captain's run podcast that he suggested that Oscar has asked for a portion of Lever's pay, since Lever only seems to play well when he's in the side. Lol. Came up partly in the context of that toss Adelaide club administrator having a go at Lever's pay. Max also had a freindly dig at Oscar that he was asking around trying to find our how to reopen his deactivated Twitter account to bask in some rare praise from MFC supporters after a good performance. Does make me think that when Melbourne play the Lions at Carrara stadium next week, I'm going to try and get down and shout some encouragement for big O Mac from the stands (noticed in the GC game last week that one of the benifits of small crowds is that individual supporters voices travel well). I think Oscar deserves some external positive reinforcement comming his way and I actually think he could have quite a high ceiling for us if he builds some continuity and confidence again.
    2 points
  43. If TV's are supposedly smart as we are told, why can't we have "commentary off" and "crowd effects on" options? Would set both of those to default on any Chanel 7 AFL programs if they did.
    2 points
  44. Happy with the change. Thought during the week Brown may have got the call up. But let’s get games into Jackson. Will allow Gawn to push forward and drop back a bit also.
    2 points
  45. Hopefully we beat Essendon in the coming weeks and make a mockery of the “Essendon have a game in hand” narrative....as if it’s assumed they’ll automatically beat us.
    2 points
  46. Forgot how much i hate Essendrug Absolute Hatred
    2 points
  47. Excited to see Jackson again...he's a smart footballer and even if he isn't getting much footy will always bring something.
    2 points
  48. Hate this sort of rubbish, King didn't play a senior game until round 9 last year. So was not ready to go, then in his first 2 games had a grand total of 10 possessions,1 mark, 1 tackle and 0 goals. He kept his sport purely because Gold Coast had no-one else, since then he's come on a little but he's no star at the moment (certainly has potential to be). Don't see any need to pot Jackson because he's a young kid who hasn't set the world on fire 5 rounds into the season, when you're comparison player hadn't even played a game by the same stage.
    2 points
  49. Thanks for posting this 'Dee King', I heard this mentioned today. I think it was the Chief Health officer or maybe the health minister. My partner, who can't stand football said it is a good thing your club is doing. I think so...if clubs are going to talk community then they need to act it. Hopefully the good karma bus will treat us well in the future.
    2 points
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