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  1. I'm responding to you, but it's wasted on you, so it's really for others. What couldn't be replicated by simply running was contested work. In a quality preseason contested work, i.e. bumping into bodies, tackling, competing for pack marks, getting up quickly after you've just been brought to ground, sprinting to tackle when you're fatigued, etc. is all part of the necessary preparation to get you ready for the most brutal team sport in the world. None of our midfielders completed even half a proper preseason and most didn't start any contested stuff until February. It also doesn't provide players with any confidence that they're ready. They know what's required and they also know what's less than ideal. Confidence is huge in footy and most players heading into round one would have had serious trepidation as to whether they'd done the work required. Preseason running to get a fitness base simply doesn't cut it in the modern game, chap.
    7 points
  2. It wasn't surprising that the opposition during that period were accurate......we had little in the way of defenders! With little pressure, easy shots ensue. During that period we were missing Lever and Jetta for the whole time. May - all the period except for 1 game. But we also lost Hibberd, Salem, Lewis and Hore at some point for a couple of weeks. So it wasn't bad luck, we just didn't have the cattle to hold out the opposition. One would think that putting Lever, May and Jetta into those games in 2019 would have seen the opposition kick a couple of goals less. It was remarkable how close we were in those games..... The positive is (as you have alluded.)...it shouldn't happen again with the players now on the pre-season track.
    6 points
  3. Throws seed on barren ground. Those that don’t understand now either don’t want to or just never will.
    4 points
  4. That's true enough, but not like this they haven't. Those of us from the bush haven't seen fires this widespread in our lifetimes. Bushfires are a part of life, and something we plan for each summer. We've had plenty of bad fire seasons before. But without wanting to sound melodramatic, the scale of these fires truly is unprecedented. Much of the Australian bush and fires go hand in hand, but areas of temperate rainforest that simply aren't meant to burn are currently being torched. These areas have been unaffected by fire for quite literally millions of years - in terms of both natural and human-caused fires. These ecosystems simply do not evolve in the presence of fire. This is not normal. Sadly, the fact that the debate quickly turns political is only natural when people are angry and looking for someone to blame. But managing fires and fuel loads is far more complicated than most people realize. It's easy to point the finger at a lack of planned burning, but in reality, this isn't the silver bullet that some people make it out to be. Under some circumstances, planned burns can actually lead to thick re-growth and make the situation worse. Further, burning is only possible when conditions are just right - it's simply been too dry to burn safely in many areas. Fingers crossed for rain!!!
    4 points
  5. For the most part, you're right - the vast majority of the Australian landscape has evolved with fire. The vegetation (namely eucalypts and acacias) has adapted to cope with droughts, floods and frequent fires. But not everywhere. Substantial areas of rainforest (particularly along the Great Divide in northern NSW and QLD, as well as SW Tasmania) have not. Rainforests don't spring up overnight - millions of years is not hyperbole. If and when they burn, they are out competed by plants that are adapted to fire. And yes, we are seeing fires push into these areas. Please don't misunderstand me - I'm certainly not some tree-hugging greenie crying over trees while family and friends are worried about losing their homes. But if that's not evidence that we're in an unusual bushfire season, then I don't know what is. Nah, we're not. It's certainly earlier than usual. The bush (at least most areas in NE Vic and Gippsland) is usually still fairly damp through December. Most of our major bushfires have historically been largely restricted to a single, 'perfect storm' catastrophic day. Black Friday: Jan 13th. Black Tuesday (Hobart): Feb 7th. Ash Wednesday: Feb 16th. Black Saturday: Feb 7th. Like I said, fires are far more complicated than most people think, and I'm not certainly not pointing the finger at anyone or any one factor. The word 'unprecedented' gets thrown around a lot to the point that it's virtually lost its meaning, but I think it fits here.
    3 points
  6. In my opinion Richo inherited a bog ordinary list and culture and then was handed some ordinary draft and list management decisions throughout his tenure. I suspect he is a lot better coach than his record suggests.
    3 points
  7. This is priceless wisdom. You have skirted any 'political' digs yet you have nailed the crux of what's at issue here: namely that in our history the scale and unseasonality of the fires is unprecedented. I have travelled and spent much time in all of the areas affected - apart from the fires in the South east of WA - and just about every name which comes up brings back a personal connection, right down to the fires in the back blocks of Corryong, or the fire between Portland and Nelson. Binna Burra, Beechmont, Peregian, Guyra, the fires around Laurieton, Cudlee Creek, Woodside, Mallacoota where I spent a 1980 honeymoon in the adjoining Croajingolong Park, Cobungra, all places I have been to and or stayed at. More than many people I understand the significance of these dreadful events, events made more puzzling and significant simply because they have and are occurring not only on an unprecedented scale - yes, I am aware of the '39, 1897 and other catastrophes - but at a time of year not imagined possible before. I can't help but add that there are and were scientists who forecast the scale of this catastrophe thirty years ago - a catastrophe which is quite probably ( heaven forbid) in its infancy as we speak. God help us all, is all I can say, because the politicians we've voted for are doing sweet fungoolie all about it and the so-called man in charge has re-defined the Peter Principal..
    3 points
  8. No argument from me. But blaming arsonists (who should be locked up for life IMO) is missing the point. Most of the current fires started from lightning, but yes, a small percentage were deliberately lit. But we've always had arsonists lighting bushfires. It's not new. Fires are always going to start, no matter what. Whether its arson, lightning, farm machinery or power lines. Each summer, hundreds of fires will start. It's inevitable. Usually, you won't see them on the news though, because they can be quickly contained before they spread. Right now, containing fires is virtually impossible.
    3 points
  9. Well knock me over with a feather. Who would have guessed. Same story that we've had from every assistant since about 1968.
    3 points
  10. To any Demonlanders caught in these horrific bush fires. My thoughts and prayers are with you, I hope you all come out of it safe and sound. A house can be rebuilt, a life can't
    2 points
  11. If you add the current fires to that sequence, regardless of anything else, it shows that these extreme fire events are becoming more frequent.
    2 points
  12. A player told me Gawn will be captain
    2 points
  13. Good point....North are a conundrum and a big warning lesson for MFC. They have had reasonable success for a long time but have been unable to turn that success into a real boost in supporters. Probably only Hawthorn have been successful in coming from a low base to a power club and they have had incredible on field success. MFC on the other hand have gone from one of the two or three power clubs of the 50's and early 60's to the bottom four (North Bulldogs Saints and us). Not sure we can turn the ship around but a few successful seasons would certainly help paper over the cracks for a lot of us ageing supporters.
    2 points
  14. I am sure we didn’t intend to give it up, but regardless. We did. Richmond moved into our turf and stayed, and got their act together straight away We were still blindsided by the oncoming professionalism of the game. TV Bought in big money and we were not used. It all accumulates... i don’t disagree with anything you say above by the way, but the roots to all of our modern problems began with our lack of TV Coverage. The MFC was not part of people’s loungeroom when The VFL was growing a brand new audience
    2 points
  15. 2 points
  16. Not sure many people actually believed that Doctors had miraculously discovered the cause of his problems and it could now be managed. Might also add to the caution needed about Bennell before anyone gets too excited about his prospects. Hope both make it back to their best for us, but the chances must be extremely slim.
    2 points
  17. Richo had a very ordinary coaching career at St Kilda but did have winning records over Essendon (5-3), Gold Coast (5-3) and Melbourne (7-3). I expect him to provide good intel on how to beat those three sides.
    2 points
  18. Spot on. I raised this point that the opposition’s accuracy was killing us as much as our own poor footy. Not sure if it was coincidence or to do with our lack of fitness. Check out this for a crazy 6 week period between rounds 7-12 which ultimately killed off our season. Melbourne - 53.80 (average 9.13.67) Opposition total. 76.45 (average 13.7.85) That’s basically an 18 point loss but 2 more scoring shots a a game. Hawthorn, GC and Collingwood combined a total of 12.0 in the last quarters of those three games. That’s surely just bad luck. (Ironically we won two of those games but that’s beside the point. The above mentioned opposition accuracy conversion of 63% over 6 weeks is a complete anomaly and would be unlikely to be repeated again this year.
    2 points
  19. Plenty here in Aus too Bin (myself included). There’s many scientists who are also Christians and think science supports the creation narrative. Anyway, not the place for this discussion - apologies for going off topic
    2 points
  20. In seriousness I'm super pleased we have Richo onboard and feel really positive about 2020. My key takeaways were that the players are fit, have got a good conditioning block in and will focus alot on footy and how we play when back from the break, and that Richo's focus is that the players understand it instinctively.
    2 points
  21. Ken Jungwirth never amounted to much, but in his first game (I think it was) he kicked four goals with huge torpedoes that spun perfectly without wobble or slew, and they had great hang-time. So that he stays in the memory for his kicking; it promised so much.. Late replacement for someone if I'm remembering it right - but his kicks are an indelible memory. He led straight down the ground - but too far, so it seemed.. Great kicking is so fundamental to the game that it blinds me to other things - I still fully believe in Jack Watts... his goal sealing the game against Collingwood is one of the great moments - seeing the whole crowd leap up together behind the goal in the Punt Road northern pocket ... Watts aeroplaning, Collingwood doubled over with the exhaustion, and the exhilaration! The high mark of course - but kicking must be the real essence of the game. I agree with the comment Travis Johnston drew the player to the ball - Robbie Flower did the same. Jurrah could do it. Watching a long kick curling in to goal... Great kicking is where a lot of the magic of footy is, surely?
    1 point
  22. Really hard to see how referring to the science is "politicising" the discussion.
    1 point
  23. Typical Picket Fence/Donald Trump wild speculation and fake news
    1 point
  24. Danny Hughes from Full Back BANG!
    1 point
  25. 8.13 and 22.30 for some rippers in terms of distance.....
    1 point
  26. We didn’t win in those years. it was rare to see the MFC on TV during the 1960’s and 70’s. The Power base and generations of young supporters was lost to other clubs
    1 point
  27. I trust by this you meant he won't be rushed back. The other interpretation would be disastrous.
    1 point
  28. some people see themselves as an extension of the mfc PR machine and act accordingly. only criticising club individuals and decisions when it is safe to do so or not at all
    1 point
  29. Unless KK comes out in full training, post the Christmas break, this won't be the question....
    1 point
  30. i had a dream last night that i spoke to a scout from an oppo side when i asked what he'd made of the dees thus far this preseason his response was "they've got a helluva lot more players out on the park...skills are still dee-plorable but"
    1 point
  31. You're under orders to say that. We understand.
    1 point
  32. Bushfires have been happening for millions of years. Circle of life and all that. Seeing it being politicized so heavily is beyond disgusting.
    1 point
  33. Perhaps the real answer to the ongoing bushfire issue lies elsewhere ... of course, that won't satisfy the rusted on types from all the sides of politics (the right, the left, the Greens etc) They just want their team to somehow win a non-winnable argument. Historical Role of Fire (in Australia) Bill Gammage: Prevent Bushfire the Aboriginal Way Long before the Anzac legend, our national character was forged in the flames of the bush So, can we turn the clock back? Probably not in the current political environment but down the track a more common sense and logical answer will be looked at. But don't hold your breath because we are decades away from going back to the ancient ways. In the meantime, the bushfire crises will go in indefinitely. We are a land of long droughts, fire & floods and low rainfall ... and the original inhabitants had that knowledge thousands of years ago. So they acted accordingly.
    1 point
  34. Bugger. This thread is turning me into Accuracy Cop! Sorry MD but one of the lesser reported elements of the Info Night was that in addition to the interrupted and inadequate pre-season preparation there was one other major factor affecting performance through the season - the weekly injury toll. Every week there were at least two forced changes to the team due to injury or illness. While Brisbane had six weeks with no forced changes, we had none. This related to your points in this way: the football department said they knew we'd be in strife, or would struggle through the first two months of the season. But they hoped to be in a position to build fitness from there. They hoped to win enough games in those first two months to be able to build into the season. As the injuries continued weekly to disrupt the team's preparation and the players had too little time to implement systems within a stable unit this did not happen. From their account they did understand the scale of the problem but the strategy they had to overcome it was never able to be implemented due to the recurring injury toll. No-one has to accept the explanation but that is what they offered. It is consistent with accounts we have heard of Misson briefing the board that the early rounds were going to be a tishfight.
    1 point
  35. Yes that's true Phil Rhoden, not so much his drop kicks but his torpedo's punt kicks were so precise with the days it was like showing off his torpedo skills. It was always the perfect spin in the air as the crowd would sigh in awe almost all the time. Although he never had much of the ball in his games and played.mainly in the reserves.
    1 point
  36. Warren Dean could be a prodigious kick of the ball Gary Lyon goal against Carlton (?) in a final at VFL Park
    1 point
  37. "Richardson impressed" that he's not unemployed.
    1 point
  38. We put out a team that beat the pies in the first pre season game. Dees were a ‘buy’! We started the season and the complete lack of physical and mental preparation became apparent. We may have had 22 fit players to put on the park, but they had almost zero preparation in the systems. The so called ‘connection’ didnt emerge for the whole season. So they may have been ‘physically ready’ (they could get out there), but they had no systems training, no endurance to run out matches, and pretty quickly zero confidence. Now turn the calendar over to 2020. We have already had most of the team in main training, handling footballs and running match-valid drills. Before Christmas! Now I am optimistic!
    1 point
  39. Saty they weren't ready physically. If what you're suggesting is right nobody would consider practicing. Tennis players, golfers, cricketers and the list goes on. They'd do a few running and gym sessions and not lift a bat, racket or club. We all know that's not the case. They practice what they do before a game. They hit ball after ball after ball This is important in an individual sport but doubly so in a team sport because not only do you have the individual skills that need honing you have a game plan to mesh with 21 other players that needs hours of practice. In 2019 we didn't have that and it showed in every facet of our game. People often use Oliver as an example of someone who "didn't need a preseason to have a good season". Rubbish. 2019 was a shadow of his 2018 and if your assertion is correct it should have been better given his age and the natural progression that should have taken place. People are focusing on the injury toll but it's the preseason. The skills practice so many missed out on. The game plan execution so many missed out on. The match fitness so many missed out on. It's been reported that the PA players went to the three quarter time huddle knowing we were shot physically. All they had to do was keep running. They did and they won easily despite the game being in the balance at that point. We weren't physically ready and we were not "ready to go". It's quite simple really.
    1 point
  40. The better way to have phrased point No.1 is that at our 2018 best the MFC has show it's self capable of playing football that is well and truly capable of beating just about any side in the competition and that a return to that level of list fitness, system and confidence should have us right up there again. We are inherently a much better team than our 17th finish would suggest. If we are to improve significantly, then I think point No.2 has to be improved game plan and system. It will be a big test for Simon Goodwin and the coaches. If we don't improve in this area, then everything else falls down. I'm backing Goodwin to produce the goods. In 2018, he took us from a team that defended well, but struggled to attack to the highest scoring team in the comp. Perhaps there was an over correction towards attacking at the expense of defense and last year we frankly didn't have the troops and it all fell apart, but if Goodwin can coach that change in game style in one direction, I believe he can wind it back the other way as well. Everything about whom Goody was as a player and his various clean-outs of players who wouldn't commit to me says he has the fortitude and abilities to set expectations and get the team to two way run much better in 2020 - Langdon and Tomlinson should help in this regards as well. I initially thought Tomlinson could be a lot further down the list of reasons, but this realisation of how important he would be structurally, now makes me think where he is nominated relatively is about right. Point No.3 or 4 for me would be the age profile and continued natural development of list our with key mids like Oliver, Brayshaw, Trac, Harmes, ANB (perhaps Viney if he can maintain fitness) and other guys guys like Freitch, Salem and to some extent Weid/Petty. Sure some other clubs could also claim this, but I think with a fit list we are ahead of similar lists like St Kilda, Brisbane & Freo and I expect the age profiles of some clubs up the top like Geelong, WC and Collingwood will have them heading in the opposite direction. No.9, I would just have as generic 'wild card' factor. Into this I think you could lump a hoast of players like Jackson, Pickett, Rivers, AVB, Joel Smith, Bennell, Sparrow, Baker, Dunkley and perhaps KK. There is no certainly that any one of those players in particular will pop up and star, but I think there is a fairly high chance that at least one of them will. Again I think we have more in this category than other clubs due to a combination of frount loading the draft just gone and our annus horribilis 2019. I'd probably also add a No.10 point - Depth. Provided we can keep a fairly fit list up to Rd.1, having players like O Mac, Petty, Pruess, Brown, Hore, Spargo, Hannan, Lockhart, the Wagners and possibly Jordan, Chandler and Bedford as fringe/depth players is a lot better than I suspect a lot of other clubs have. Sure we looked fairly exposed when we needed to use alot of them all at once last year, but using them more so in isolation to plug holes and maintain selection pressure, I think they are all more than capable of doing a job and some could also develop and get better.
    1 point
  41. A better question might be Tomlinson or Baker.. Tomlinson obviously for now, but we should be blooding some experience into Baker this year too. Does he have to add more forward and defensive strings to his bow to get an op on the wing?
    1 point
  42. I think this thread is about the MFC Captain! Cotchin of the Tigers is now the poster boy for captains, but I can remember during 2016 and midway through 2017 he was hammered for not being a real leader, then miraculously he becomes a great captain! Viney showed great leadership in the 2018 final wins and I can recall a number of other games where he has shown exceptional leadership to drive the team onto wins. It will be great to see him play after a full pre season, rather than going in unprepared and carrying significant injuries. Judge him at the end of hopefully an injury free 2020! Max strikes me as a different kind of leader, but I’m sure if he becomes captain or co-captain, will lead by example and having another terrific season. Jones disappointed me as a leader for one key reason, have hardly see him chase a player over the last two years, maybe it was due to injury, but as a problem MFC has had over a number of years as a team, that really disappointed. I know it’s simplistic but I think of a root cause for one of our problems. The other leadership we lack showed up against Port in the first game last year, with Max being attacked the whole game and getting no support! Also happened in 2018 prelim against the Eagles! I think this is where the likes of May, Lever, and Vandenburgh were really missed in 2019, not sure if Viney played that game, but at some point you need to stand together! Hopefully we show this leadership across the ground in 2020! In my view this is one of the reasons we lose to Collingwood so often, they look like they believe they can just push us around!! So standing up and being counted is what I’m looking for from all our players. Richie Vandenburgh led the Hawks to change their mentality particularly against the Bombers, to go from victims to the aggressors! Then onto Being a great team. Leadership starts at the top, but it’s up to all the players to step up. Go Demons in 2020!
    1 point
  43. I only opened this thread because I misread the title and thought it said "Top 50 wines of the decade". I was curious - not about the wines themsleves, but why Demonland had diversified. Could have been worse. "Top 50 whines of the decade" would be a thread to behold.
    1 point
  44. A very Merry Christmas to all at Demonland and a safe and very happy new year?
    1 point
  45. Merry Christmas Demonlanders. Many thanks to all involved in running this forum. May the boys create heaps of magic on the field in 2020. Go Dees!
    1 point
  46. I want 3 cups to complain about. Merry Christmas.
    1 point
  47. Merry Christmas and a happy and SUCCESSFUL new footy season to all.
    1 point
  48. We won 50 games last decade?
    1 point
  49. Would that be Jack & the Beanstalk??
    1 point
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