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  1. I'll tell you why it's a salary issue, he's reportedly looking for $650-700k per season. What has he done to earn that, nothing but potential and he's not a ball winning mid or key position player. It sets a bad precedent paying overs for a player who's not fully committed to the club Trac, Fritsch and Harmesy are all up for renewal next year. What do you say to them. I maintain my stance, chase him by all means but don't be negligent. If Blues want to throw coin at him he hasn't earned so be it
    11 points
  2. Seen him play two games live. Answers to your questions below. Does he get his own ball? Yes. He can definitely win his own ball, and played a few games inside midfield. Is his kicking overall elite? Yes. His kicking overall is elite. He's unquestionably the best kick in this draft class. His kicking is very accurate and well weighted both long and short. His long kicking has good punch and penetration. To compare kicking to a current AFL player, think Shannon Hurn or Daniel Rich with his ability to punch the ball forward. Marking ability? Intercept marking is one of his strengths. He's very competitive in the air, uses his body well and times his marking/spoiling well. He reads the play very well. Doesn't have an enormous leap, but more than adequate. Is he teachable? He seems a smart kid, often directing traffic out of the backline. He seems very teachable. Leadership? He shows genuine leadership. As above, he is often directing traffic across halfback. He also takes responsibility in key moments as evidenced by 'the kick' in the tweet in this thread. If I had to compare him to an AFL player it'd be Luke Hodge from early/late in his career where he played as a general across halfback. Young has shown he can play midfield, but he's best suited across halfback. Strengths are kicking and marking and he has great gamesense and composure. He's the best option at pick 3 IMO.
    9 points
  3. I don't get the fixed view that some hold regarding Harley. When was the last time he made a mistake? Injury aside. A long time ago. People change. Harley has a small family. His mistakes are in the past. Injury is the only concern, but I'd jump at signing him on a one year deal to see if he could get his body right. The Richmonds and Collingwoods of this world seem to have little issue giving players a second and third chance. (Cousins, Kraks). And even though some don't work out, they remain strong as clubs and continue to perform. Meanwhile, we have supporters who would rather the feel good Billy Stretches and ANB's of this world. Great characters, professional trainers. Yadayada. But will do very little for us in the way of influencing a game. Every team is trying to get a leg up on the other. It's about time we tried something against the grain.
    7 points
  4. This is hopefully the year where we can get 2 x elite talents into a pretty reasonable list We may not get a chance like this for a considerable time. Need to make the most of it. Everything the recruiting team has done, rightly or wrongly, has been done for a reason. so far they don't seem to have put a foot wrong - altho aside from maybe Oliver & Gawn we still lack a damaging game breaker like Martin, Danger or Cripps. It has to be an extraordinary deal to give away 3 and/or 8.
    6 points
  5. If he goes into the National draft I reckon GCS will let him go rather than use a round 1 pick and we won't take him either. If he goes into the PSD and GCS draft him he has to sign for two years so the next years FA status lapses. It is then active at the end of 2021. If he is drafted by GCS in the PSD and he refuses to play for them he sits out of the AFL for two years. Not sure if he then goes into the draft or he is still a player that GCS can trade. If GCS are adamant about drafting him his best bet is to sign a one year contract with them. So in 2020 he will be an FA, can go to the club of his choice and GCS get a compensation pick. Hope that clarifies it a little.
    5 points
  6. Don’t call me “dude” dude! I’m not one of the myopic pessimists on this site unable to integrate data beyond this season into a more balance view of our prospects. I’m well aware we finished 17th, you (and your fellow myopic pessimists) don’t need to repeat it over and over... we’re all aware of the [censored] year we just had. But prior to that we’d been improving year on year for 4 years and in 2018 we were in the preliminary final. So a balanced view would take that all into account, and on that basis put us well ahead of Carlton, despite the horror of this year. so go demons. ?
    5 points
  7. Why the [censored] is everyone writing off Charlie Spargo his only been on our list for two seasons.
    5 points
  8. Agree wholeheartedly. You'd think this bloke was an absolute star. Had done nothing in his career to justify the hype. He reminds me of Richard Tambling. Who hasn't got an ounce of hard work in him and will coast through his career on talent alone. Carlton can have this lazy campaigner, suits their culture perfect. Rather focus on the likes of Jack Newnes who would actually add a lot to our side. Or if we are planning on taking risk then do it on Harley Bennell, at least he has shown to be quite elite when on the park. Watched Bennell kicked 6 in a game against Geelong playing as an on baller collecting 27 disposals back in 2014.. Breathtaking talent.
    5 points
  9. Injury prone D grader?
    4 points
  10. If we are worried about a pick in 2020 being pushed back too far should we just set GWS a task. For example just tell them, "Go fetch us Freo's pick 10. We don't care how you do it, but we will take that and 6 for 3". Otherwise we just keep 3. There are plenty of other side's they can deal with too. If we could get pick 8 then I'm sure the Giants can figure out a way to get a second good pick. Maybe they can get hold of Carltons pick 9 they seem to be able to convince them to take their scraps. When you give a club a deal you'll accept, then they'll often find a way to do it, particularly if they're as desperate as reported
    4 points
  11. There is some thought that GC will select him in the PSD, put him on a 1 year contract, then he becomes a restricted free agent at the end of 2020. They'll then get a 1st round compo pick, due to what Carlton are offering him and knowing the AFL will look after them. Wouldn't matter if he plays most of the year in the NEAFL, or if he's a true pro they'll get another year out of him. Good chance GC will hold onto him, unless his wage demands are just too ridiculous, which is why I think we're being counted out.
    4 points
  12. Bennell, knows this could be his last chance at playing AFL. He seems to be doing all the right things, such as trying to get his body right, to give him the best possible chance, of continuing, his carrer for the future. give him a one year deal and see if it works for parties? If we don't take the chance then someone like the tigers, hawks will, and we ust might regret it once again, like over looking Sydney stack. We need to give the guy a chance.
    4 points
  13. Interestingly he was happy to go to the Bombers in 2018, so he has had interest in other clubs.
    3 points
  14. problem is it is not even new ways. we already knew thymosin b4 wasn't on the banned list when used. it was prohibited because it was not approved for human use. and all that was discussed ad finitum previously. they know that and are just being disingenuous.
    3 points
  15. Our interest in Martin is more strategic. We negotiate with Carlton to not take him in the psd and they agree to be creative with pick swaps now or down the track. Alternately, tbey agree to not pick certain players we nominate now or in the future so they fall through to us. Until that happens we chase Martin hard with a longer term deal with triggers and get Nev Jetta to meet and offer to mentor him
    3 points
  16. IF we end up splitting a pick and getting three bites...Gould does show mighty potential as an intercepting general across HB. At 98kg and 191cm the bloke is an imposing beast for an 18yo. Currently playing seniors for Glenelg, Back to back All Australian. Ranked 17 (down two places) in Twomey's latest phantom update. Subject to a big pre-season / trimming down a tad he could just about walk in to an AFL side from day dot. While not wishing that upon him, let's say with no Frosty, we lost a May, Lever or Hore at some point in 2020. Gets a few games and a sniff of what AFL is like. Back to develop at Casey for a while in prep for 2021 etc. Placing pressure on others to hold their spot never hurts as well! Forgetting an early call up is he a generational player that might help us to some long awaited silverware along the lines of a Shannon Hurn as some are pitching? Was considered close to BOG in SA's under 18 Rnd 4 one point loss to Vic Metro (courtesy of a last kick goal to Kemp) back in July (some of his highlights below are from that match). Some are putting up Ash as an option early. I'm thinking this guy could match him plus some...and hit the ground running a tad earlier into his career also with his size and intercept marking, offering early value for the pick and potentially a great long term one as well with May not getting any younger. Getting him with the 3rd pick also allows us to use the two early ones, say a 6 & 8 to snag some higher end talent as already well covered here eg; from a Young, Kemp, Stephens and Weightman. And don't be deceived by Weightman's relatively lowish ranking guys. The guy will be on everyone's radar (needing small forward talent) and will get taken a tad earlier than 12ish imv. Need to grab earlier if we are going for it. Thoughts? Highlights & some article extracts / links below FYI... Courtesy ESPN Doerre... Player Focus In his best performance of the Under-18 Championships, South Australian captain Will Gould was a force in defence. An Under-18 All-Australian in 2018, Gould's vision and precise 60m kick means he has been utilised as South Australia's playmaker from defence, often taking his side's kickouts. Drawing comparisons to Shannon Hurn due to his leadership traits, Gould is a unique defender at 191cm, 98kg in that he can play tall or small with the strength to match anyone one-on-one in combination with an explosive burst of speed that allows him to play smaller and generate run from defence. These attributes are rounded out with Gould's intercept marking capabilities as a strong overhead mark and early reader of the ball off the opponent's boot. full article here.... https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/27109039/afl-draft-wrap-unique-defender-booming-boot-looms-first-round-force
    3 points
  17. Think the Suns would be trying to force him to sign on for 1 year prior to the PSD, just using the threat of them picking him up then holding him to the 2 year contract, otherwise he'll find himself locked in their for those 2 years and going through the same process next trade period. Would work for the Suns because surely a player wouldn't sit out or play badly when that much money is on the line?
    3 points
  18. Comfortably top 22 when fit imo and takes the place of ANB Baker and a few others. Comfortably. Agree he has this season to get it right before moving him on. A month is an exaggeration. He is our modern day Tingay: Talented and impactful enough on the team that you give him that extra time, just can't get his body right. At 27, statistically he is only just moving into his peak both from a skill and physical perspective for an AFL footballer. Agree 3 years was overkill but he definitely deserved a contract extension after his end to 2018.
    3 points
  19. Stop talking sense. I have hated one club all my life and that is the blue scum. I don't hate the players, just the club and its supporters. Listening to them again this morning and their arrogance, just heightens my dislike of them. They are rejoicing in the fact that they are going to screw the bottom club out of a number 1 pick player and get him for free. Their unbridled joy is sickening in the extreme. Personally, I would be prepared to take him and let him stand out of footy for 2 years, if he wouldn't come to the party, just to stuff them up. However, you are talking sense. We would have to overpay a player who has not earned it and it could upset our culture, salary structure and our players and for that reason only, if we can't convince him to come to us for a fair deal, let him go and so be it. I hope another good player would then pop up that GC don't want ,or can't take and we get him instead. I then continue to hope that the blue scum fail for many years to come. Go Dees.
    3 points
  20. Seems an obvious replacement for Tim Smith's spot/role on the list for mine.
    3 points
  21. Maybe a bit of 2nd year blues for Spargo...
    3 points
  22. I'm seeing everyone frothing about that centering kick by Young. While it is a great kick, it is only one kick in isolation. I'd like to hear from those that have watched him play whole games (as opposed to one kick or a highlights clip). Does he get his own ball? Is his kicking overall elite? Marking ability? Is he teachable? Leadership? Etc. Thanks in advance.
    3 points
  23. DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A natural-born leader with elite kicking abilities, Ash makes the right decisions with ball-in-hand and is a damaging player coming off half-back." ?
    3 points
  24. Papley would of been ideal for us as a crumbing forward with occasional bursts in the midfield and better yet we all know what we will get for him if we used pick 8 on him with a second rounder in return. I'm not saying I don't like Weightman, but I think at pick 8 you have to nail those selections and not use them on a smokey. To me he is in the 15-20 range.
    3 points
  25. Too many forwards where injured this season, Mitch Hannan played 15 games kicked 22 in 2018, come 2019 6 games 4 goals, even ANB kicked 27 goals in 2018. Hopefully TMac takes his marks next season, the amount of easy marks he dropped in 2019 was extraordinary, I reckon he dropped at least 1 to 2 easy marks a game, and as soon as he started taking them he kicked 10 goals in 2 games and 3 qtrs, he returned to form only to go down, has to start next year in that form or 2020 will be no good.
    3 points
  26. With the trade period more or less complete, I thought I would put together our list for people to refer to. Apologies if there is already a thread similar to this, mods feel free to move. The list has to be made up of between 38-40 Senior players, 4-6 Category A rookies and 0-3 Category B rookies. Essentially we can go into 2020 with a squad of 38 senior players and 6 Cat A rookies 39 senior players and 5 Cat A rookies 40 senior players and 4 Cat A rookies Senior List Oscar Baker Toby Bedford Angus Brayshaw Bayley Fritsch Max Gawn Mitch Hannan James Harmes Michael Hibberd Marty Hore Jayden Hunt Neville Jetta Nathan Jones James Jordan Jay Kennedy-Harris Kade Kolodjashnij Jake Lever Steven May Oscar McDonald Tom McDonald Jake Melksham Alex Neal-Bullen Aaron Neitschke Clayton Oliver Christian Petracca Harrison Petty Braydon Preuss Christian Salem Joel Smith Charlie Spargo Tom Sparrow Billy Stretch Aaron Vandenberg Jack Viney Joshua Wagner Sam Weideman ------------------------------------------------- 39. 40. ------------------------------------------------- Rookies Cat A Kade Chandler Kyle Dunkley Jay Lockhart Corey Wagner Cat B · 1. Austin Bradtke* Possible Delistings Jay Kennedy-Harris Billy Stretch Draft Selections 3, 8, 97, 115, 133, So the state of play is we currently have 35 senior players and have to at least take 3 national draft selections or 2 and upgrade one rookie to the senior list. This gets the squad to 38 senior listed players. If we delist Kennedy-Harris and Stretch then we need to fill the senior list with a minimum of 5 to a maximum of 7 players via the national draft, rookie upgrades, delisted free agents or the pre-season draft. *unsure if Bradtke re-signed as a cat B rookie or if has been moved to category A
    2 points
  27. Best Bet Race 1 - Caulfield No. 4 Jenkins Win $5.50 Value Bet Race 9 - Randwick No. 11 Valac Each Way $14 win $4.20 Place
    2 points
  28. That's what Scott is doing- trying to save his job. The difference between he and Goodwin is that Geelong has a core group of quality players that can still drag their team over the line. Not to mention a significant home ground advantage where they generally draw weaker teams that they easily beat up on. And given the state of play, Geelong will continue to make the finals for the next 2-3 years, but the locals are sick of "just making finals", the want a flag because they know that in the next year or two, that core group of players that have constantly won games for them are going to be gone. If you take a look at their playing list, the pool is very shallow at the 24-and-under end. I rate that young Clark kid, I'll reserve my judgement about Miers until the end of next year, but other than that, they don't have much else coming through. And due to his refusal to move on the likes of Ablett and Taylor, as well as bringing in quick fixes like Rohan and Jenkins, it's pushing players like Buzza out.
    2 points
  29. Beats me how Carlton gets rated so highly when all they got was a VFL ruckman and a 33-year-old Eddie Betts.
    2 points
  30. Boyd! (Albeit only in the match that counted).
    2 points
  31. Saturday Best Caulfield Race 7 No. 9 God Of Thunder $4.60 Thinking they will go like the clappers in front which will enable GOT to get a cosy run behind them and swoop home.
    2 points
  32. If he’s a superstar in the making I want him If he’s a serviceable best 22 player for the next decade I’m happy with the pick, but it’s a shame we didn’t have a chance to get x / should’ve picked y If he’s a spud I never wanted him
    2 points
  33. The thing is Moon that you get no return without risk. Their pick ups look good that’s all you can say. Our pickups look safe and reliable but they are not going to be a game changer. Individually the Saints pick ups are not going to bring them a flag but collectively they can make a big difference to outcomes. Lynch for Richmond was a game changer but there few of his ilk. Most trades are just okay let’s face it. Unless you bring in a star into a team that is already up there it’s shuffling deck chairs. In the whole good draft picks can maintain or improve the team’s competitiveness but it’s not going to bring you a flag. Lynch is the only one in recent years who arguably has done that.
    2 points
  34. Absolutely. This would be sensational. Both could be absolute stars. Young’s delivery and aerial marking are exceptional. Kemp has all the qualities of a Dangerfield clone. He’s worth grabbing and waiting 12 mths (if JT and Mahoney and Goody have the guts)
    2 points
  35. We are massive fans of Lockhart, in our house. Mature head, good skills, tough as nails, repeat efforts and a little bit of X factor.
    2 points
  36. $700k a season? Pfft, Carlton are more than welcome to him, that’s a lot of cheddar for a bog average player.
    2 points
  37. I just hope we put enough pressure on them for Carlton to over pay for him in salary if we can’t land him at a reasonable price.
    2 points
  38. Think its Race 4 No 3 Goro..... Best Bet: Saturday Randwick Race 4 No 4 Still Single $3.90 (W)
    2 points
  39. I don’t get it. Admittedly I have only watched highlights but judging Serong’s highlights against Young, Serong looks a long way off. Reminds me of Trengove. Super hyped pre-draft then appears slow, undersized and one dimensional. Happy to be proven wrong. Young on the other hand has dash, a burst of speed and he is a goal kicking midfielder.
    2 points
  40. The reason we won’t take Martin is we won’t pay his high wages and screw up our cap. Carlton are desperate and can have him
    2 points
  41. I’d absolutely love it if we leaked that to put Carlton at ease and flip on the day! ? I feel like we have been in the position to get screwed so many times in the past, hell he got screwed by missing out on pick 2 this year, I want us to play a little bit of dirty pool. If it gets us to the top I couldn’t give two ?!
    2 points
  42. https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/lachlan-ash/ This website has excellent write ups for those who are interested. Couple of clangers early in the game but what I like is he appears to set up a lot of the play when Vic Country make their comeback. The kicks to Kemp and Serong late in the game is exactly what we've been missing.
    2 points
  43. Meh. Geelong's tall forwards (Hawkins, Taylor and now Jenkins) are all old and nearing the end but the Cats don't think Buzza's worth keeping around to take one of those spots. Pass for mine.
    2 points
  44. Do we bother? If he wants to join Carlton, would we select him and potentially put up with him sooking through the entirety of his contract? Actually, stuff him. If we can afford him then I'd select him. Stick it right up Carlton.
    2 points
  45. I get your point, but as clubs say, we have to back ourselves to make him happy. We have to create an environment that he is happy. Carlton have shown themselves to be ruthless, both in what they are doing with Martin and what they did in taking Nick Stevens in the same circumstances. I am not sure that you succeed in this world by being the nice guys. The Bombers kept Daniher against his wishes. The Swans did the same with Papley. Silvagni had the chance to do a fair deal and didn't, presumably to steal the player from the basket case, bottom club, that has just received AFL help. I am not sure the AFL would be happy if this is done to the Suns, especially by a side that has about 5 number one picks on their list already. I think the AFL would be happier if we took him, so a bad precedent is not set. Some on here want us to grow balls, now might be the time.
    2 points
  46. If it were my choice Pick 3 after the Green Bid Hayden Young - like his penetrating kick, could be very valuable in transition Pick 8 - Brodie Kemp has so much versatility and despite the knee injury I would take the punt on him.
    2 points
  47. Lockhart will go up at least another level or 2 with a full AFL pre-season and AFL experience under his belt.
    2 points
  48. Having a player of Martin’s talent fall into our lap is nothing short of a miracle. We have to take advantage of this. The memory is still fresh of Collingwood bullying Luke Ball through to pick 30 in the ‘09 draft. People have been calling for the club to grow a pair and take a stand... this is our opportunity.
    2 points
  49. I know it's Serong but it feels so right.
    2 points
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