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We're in the best position possible going into last day of trade period. Two extremely valuable picks are on the table if the right offer pops up. We'll be sitting back, cross-legged with cigar in mouth knowing that if nothing comes up, we go to the draft with two top 10 picks a year after making a prelim. Added to that is the fact that we've addressed a problem area with the additions of Langdon and to a lesser extent Tomlinson. No longer will we have to play inside midfielders on a wing. And this is all without mentioning the fact that we have a pre-season with Burgess coming up. One of the most highly respected fitness coaches around. I'm putting a cheeky $20 on us for top 4 next year. Dees.

If we win the flag, nobody here will give an obese rodent's fundament how many points ahead North might be.

I am more excited now than at any time during the season ....how sad is that!!

Say what you like about our on field performance, but I think our off field and trade performances have been pretty spot on lately.

'We believe in this playing group' Outside run was the priority, mentions 15 players on the wing again Won't talk about who they like at 3 but mentions they have 2 or 3 that they like at that pick Andy Maher now taking 3 hours to ask a question. Or ask a statement

The lack of riddles this year has really been disappointing. What happened to everyone on Demonland with inside knowledge and mates?

Love this. Bold.

No this is the MFC finally being ballesy like many have been asking and backing itself in for 2020. Better than sitting back and waiting in hope.

This literally looks like the worst trade of picks I have ever seen. We gain pick 8 and hope we beat pick 8 next year by jumping up 7 places (i.e become 10th) just to draw even, THEN throw in a second rounder ? then a third rounder? Absolutely ridiculous trading. please tell me this is not true, 3 picks for 1. There has to be a v good 2nd rounder pick coming back

This point system is garbage Anything over pick 15-20 is tattslotto We currently have two picks inside the top 10 For pick 26 and next year first (pick 50 just does not count) So say we finish 9, meaning pick 9, after academy selection will be more like 15/16 Don't understand how people are complaining about random picks like 26 and 50, which after academy selections this year are more like 28 and 52!

Happy to take this year's pick 8 (and change) in a trade for next year's pick 18.

It just makes sense. Reports are that we want Weightman and GWS could argue that we wouldn’t use pick 3 to bid on Green in case we are forced to take him. So they argue that we will accept pick 6 plus something of lowish value to get it done because otherwise it may hurt us. Now we can go to GWS with complete impunity and say “pay up, because we’re definitely bidding for Green and will happily take him unless you give us something seriously valuable in return, or else you’re pick 6 disappears trying to match the bid”. It’s exactly the reason why you can’t look at trades in isolation. North may be getting overs for their trade, but it’s coming from GWS, not us. Mahoney is an excellent trader. Pragmatic and very creative.

The logic is that we now have credibility that we will take Green at 3, since we can get the player we want at 8 anyway. So we are forcing GWS to trade with us for pick 3. I think this means that we'll trade pick 3 for pick 6 plus effectively what we traded to North for pick 8. So the end result at the end will be that we’ll have traded pick 3 for picks 6 and 8.

last time we traded up in the top 10 we landed Clarry that is all

Demonland should come with a form guide.

I think they have made a great move: either GWS will trade 6 and second rounder for 3, to guarantee Tom Green at a later pick or we will bid for Tom Green with 3, forcing GWS to use Pick 6 and giving us an extra top end player to choose from.

It seems to me that this is way to squeeze GWS into agreeing to a favorable trade back to us of two draft picks and possibly a player for #3. It also sounds as if those later picks we've traded away in the deal will become irrelevant because we won't be using them.

And some were saying we need to grow some balls as a club. They dont get much bigger than this pair of whoppers

SWYL Approved The FD is backing itself for the next 2 drafts. All or nothing Get it right. Jobs are on the line right now

Two top 10 picks for Basil.

I'm convinced we will have some sort of deal with GWS, whether its done in the trade period or up until the draft could be another matter. I just can't see why they would trade up to pick 6 if it wasn't to put themselves in a position to acquire pick 3 from us. As others have pointed out, they're actually worse off points wise with the St Kilda trade and if they aren't aiming to add two high end talents then what was the point of it? Green sure isn't getting past Adelaide or whoever ends up with Pick 5.

What about this from left field. Offer Swans 8 for Papley and Tom McCartin. That gets Daniher done. 5 & 8. We then do 3 to GWS and get 6 and someone like Caldwell. GWS get Green and whoever they want at 3 . We fix small forward problem with Papley, key forward problem with McCartin and add pace/skill with Caldwell plus another good player with 6. Well I can dream can't I?

Jon Ralph just making it up as he goes.

GWS 1st rounder next year may well be in the late 20s after all the bidding is matched. We should think of the pick number rather than 1st or 2nd round I'd rather 3 for 6 + Caldwell or O'Halloran. If GWS really want 3 and Green they need to give something more than 6 and 2020's pick 25ish

Well break out the cheque book!

Is there a decent highlights video of Serong showing the traits of a pick 3? I had a look on Youtube and the 1 video I saw left me horrified that we would consider the kid with that pick. Looked fat, slow, and zero agility. Surely there must be a vid showing something special?

Pick 8 is our 2nd pick. We can use a 3rd pick in any later round where we have a pick. The draft doesn't stop until all clubs are done. We can do a rookie upgrade in round 6, 7, 8, or whenever our 3rd pick falls. If we had more list spots available we could even choose players in round 9, 10, or 11. I assume you're looking at the AFL's indicative draft order as a guide? That only goes up to round 5, but that's not the end of the draft if clubs are still making picks. E.G. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_AFL_draft In which draft round to Jarrod Garlett get picked by Carlton? We can go to the draft with these 2 first rounders. I think it's likely we will be looking for a further trade, however we don't technically have to.

I just hope we draft 2 inside mid competitive beasts

If we finish bottom next year, none of this matters anyway...

Wait you'd rather a punt to draft a depth player at 26 than a punt to draft a best 22 player at 8?

Forget next year If you told me we'd at the least have Tomlinson, Langdon, Pick 3, pick 8... Yes.

I was bouncing off the ceiling but not from excitement.

Pick swaps can occur up to draft day. The fact this has been done already suggests either us or Norf are looking to trade picks for players.

I don't think the points matter in this one because of the compromised draft next year. Let's say Melbourne finish 7th, that's looking like being end-of-first under normal circumstances, and if the Club wasn't planning on using 50 this year, the swap is 26 and approx. 16/17/18 for 8 in a non-compromised draft. I like it a lot!

Horrible deal! Why would you trade a tip 10 pick for 2 B graders

we just gave up 26 , 50 and next years first round for pick 8 why would we now give up 3 for 6 and 25 ? there would have to be way more in it for us to give up 3 now

This kind of optimism had no place in demonland. Are you a new supporter? ?

I disagree. He's hard as nails, fast, tackles, never fumbles, good kick inside 50, and kick goals. Plus he's under 24. A poor mans brent harvey for mine.

There comes a certain time when you know you're getting on a bit and that time is when you realise that there are no AFL players older than yourself and that your chances of being drafted have gone forever.

Pretty sure we have picks in the 5th/6th/7th round if we need to use them? But at any rate I suspect Stretch is getting traded to the GC.

If we get Dillon Stephens, I don't give a stuff! Watch his highlight package, fast, kicks great goals. Exactly what is needed

i've completely come around on it in the space of 30 minutes it's bold and creative hope it works!

or to hold then to see what happens on draft day again, no leaks from mfc re what our approach to trade / draft is fantastic

You will, of course, be aware that with all the academy/fs draftees next year our first 'live' pick would likely be pushed back 6-8 places? So 8 becomes 16 in that case. Even with pick 26 this year, that swap is genius. This year's draft apparently levels out after about 10 or 12.

No reason we would do this unless we had someone in mind for pick 8, or we are about to split pick 3.... this week just got interesting again. God I hope we get Papley with pick 8.

Young and Ash sounds perfect to me, speed, good kicks, outside class and Young is a good intercept player. releases Salem up the ground further

Wonder if we're making a late move for someone via trade? Otherwise I'm not sure on trading 26, 50 and quite possibly pick 6-10 for pick 8.

Anyone but Oliver. I really rate Caldwells potential as either an inside mid or outside mid. He’s well rounded and could be versatile if needed. I’d be pouring games into him and adding him to the midfield rotation, maybe stints in the wing and stints on ball. I think Viney is the one who needs to add more strings to his bow, potentially rotate up forward. Oliver has already started playing stints up forward, though was more effective there in 2018 when getting cleaner delivery. Brayshaw can play wing, half back or half forward. Harmes can tag or play forward and use his marking skills and leap. Viney is the one who needs to find another position he can play that’s not around the ball. Defensive forward is probably the most likely.

As Nietzsche said to me as he ran past at rehab training earlier this year, what does not kill us, makes us stronger! So am expecting a big year from him next season.

Wrong. Played a few senior footy at my home club in Yarrawonga including the elimination final in 2018. Same club that has included former AFL players like Brendan Fevola, Steve McKee, Tim Hargraves and Jason Wild who have all played there.. The ovens and Murray is regarded as one of the best leagues just below VFL level. A tough and free flowing standard. Young Jimmy is well known to our family as he grew up and played rep footy with my little brother. But they are also close friends. My brother and James were out last Saturday night on the [censored] together.