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  1. What I think people need to remember is we are in a position where we just have to trust the new regime at the club. We have to back the judgement of Paul Roos and the people he is in charge of to make the best decisions possible on behalf of the club. Prior to PJ and then Roos coming on board we were in a world of trouble. Perhaps as bad as we have been since the merger situation. We have nothing left but to have faith in the people and the club NOW and hope they get it right. Of course this does not mean we can't have an opinion but geez, just roll with it! How many Swans supporters would have thought the recruitment of Richards, Kennedy or Mattner was a good idea at the time? How many of them backed Roos in when he plucked Shaw from the Pies? Michie is a risk but one that I am willing to take, because Paul Roos is. Call it blind faith if you like, but what other option do we have?
    10 points
  2. The problem with that is if you have a credible and reliable source the last thing you'd want to do is to 'out' them on demonland.
    10 points
  3. Just turned on trade radio for the first time ever I could only handle 45 seconds of those two morons Barrett and Wallace dribbling nonsense before turning it off will never listen again
    7 points
  4. And there's always the fact that on the day of Sylvia's departure Mahoney said the club expects band 2 or 3 compensation.
    7 points
  5. You are a major contributor to making it that. Heard it here first!
    7 points
  6. Just from the interview with James Frawley on the MFC website. “As a leader for me, you’ve got to knock [things] on the head early, as soon as you see something, act on it straight away. That’s what I try and do and I’m a pretty passionate guy on the footy field. You’ve got to act on it straight away and giving clear and concise feedback is the best way to do it. Well knock something on the head here James and re sign at the football club. Act on it straight away so we don't have any more distractions heading into next season. If not tell us now so we can get something for you . We really need to keep him and should do whatever it takes.
    6 points
  7. In addition to fork's post, we also have TV & JT involved in recruiting, and based on last year we picks 2 mature blokes who hasn't even played a single AFL game. Those 2 came 3rd and 4th in the Bluey. Imagine what we might be able to do with a kid who's played 1 game already...
    6 points
  8. Hang on a moment! Am I the only one seeing this? First we have Jay Clarke a reporter who makes stuff up; then we have Mr Clark Kent, a Demonland poster who makes stuff up; and finally, Clark Kent was a reporter for the Daily Planet. Suddenly everything makes sense!!
    6 points
  9. Vince to the Dees, got a text from a mate inside the club.
    6 points
  10. i don't know if he does but common sense says he's 21, played almost a whole WAFL season last year of great footy. Freo would offer him 2 years so we need to give at least that. 3 wouldn't be silly. Smarter than 4 for Vince
    5 points
  11. It's crazy to think about how long ago that was, but I remember the beginning of that 05 season so vividly. He started unbelievably well after having a pretty decent year prior to. Round 1 against Essendon he annihilated James Hird at the G for Broady's tribute game. The next two against the doggies and cats I remember his form being unbelievable. Then came round 4 and the commentary box were speaking of Bruce's 'brownlow' form. The ball was bounced, Brucie was the first player to touch the ball, and as soon as he did, Brent Guerra smashed him to the turf and that was the end of the Cameron Bruce of those days. It's as if that broken collarbone absolutely shot his confidence from that day on. Was never able to play to that level for the rest of his career. He used to play with such arrogance and every possession he won turned to gold. Ahhhh nostalgia...
    5 points
  12. i'm so tired of talking the talk............... i'll listen when it translates to on the field
    5 points
  13. Are GWS offering Dylan and Shiel ??
    4 points
  14. Adam White tweeting that offers starting to come in for pick 2, package deals coming in (not single player for pick) and that GWS are leading the race.
    4 points
  15. He wouldn't bother leaving for a one year deal. Would need to be two minimum
    4 points
  16. I think that without knowing for certain, it is highly probable that we were going to appoint Dew and he dropped us. But who the hell expects the club to come out and confirm that? And because they don't, it's labelled as spin? FMD. Melb supporters are the pits.
    4 points
  17. Jay Clark is definitely in the wrong business. I think celebrity gossip ala Perez Hilton is more his game
    4 points
  18. Not Lisa Wilkinson, was it?
    4 points
  19. I hear what you're saying about the categorisation of our compensation at Band 3 rather than Band 4 but I'm not convinced about one aspect. I seem to recall that the two players who left Port Adelaide were both put on 4 year contracts rather than the 3 year contract which Sylvia is getting. Hence, a possible difference in the compensation we might be given for Sylvia as compared with that for the Port pair. Does that make sense?
    4 points
  20. If I were a Swans supporter, I'd hardly be excited about the Franklin deal. In fact, I genuinely think it's the dumbest deal I've ever observed. And as for Daisy Thomas - not sure I'd be paying so much for an out of form half forward flanker.
    4 points
  21. trades 2 for Shiel 22 for Vince 36 for Lyons 54 for Michie delisted FA . Cross add #21 Zac Jones #70 Joel Tippett #78 Clisby (rookie upgrade)
    4 points
  22. I've come to be fond of the prospect of getting Kelly at pick 2, as I really rate this guy (I know others have concerns on his light frame - not me), but would still be happy to trade it for Shiel. He's about the only deal that interests me, so "package deals" doesn't overly excite. Shiel is a must if it's GWS.
    3 points
  23. He doesn't have to sign now, there is no need for ultimatums now. Should we start acting like a decent club or should we just continue to act like the toddler of a club we have been these last 7 years? Play good footy, get players to want to stay, and don't fret the end is near when they do leave. We can meet his wage and trade him or get Pick 5 for him as comp.
    3 points
  24. AFL Trade Week Radio


 Colin Young, manager of Essendon's David Myers joined us.

 Question: If David got better opportunities and terms elsewhere, would he move? 

Young: "If the Essendon FC were happy with the trade, he'd move. He would love to play in the midfield more regularly. David very could well be in the mix for a trade."
    3 points
  25. Damien Barrett seems to think that his opinion is relevent in some way. It is an absolute disgrace that footy journalists consdier themselves celebrities and experts.
    3 points
  26. Do we really need live early draft picks if we can trade them for equally good players with AFL experience? I realise we have to use 3 picks but one can b a rookie upgrade e.g. Clisby, and if we have to delist some uncontracted players to make room for these picks then we could re-draft them. With our list age profile I don't think it maters if we don't pick up any 18 yos. As some have posted, if we used our first 5 picks including the Sylvia compo (2, 22, 23, 40, 58) on say Shiel, Vince, Myers, Lyons, Michie and picked up Cross as a delisted FA, it wouldn't matter if our remaining draft picks were 70, 80 and 90.
    3 points
  27. I was a harsh critic of Cam in the past and unfairly so when he departed. I did apologise to him here when things that were happening at the club became more clearer to me. It sucks that just when one of our players is about to break into the superstar realm something bad always happens to them. Interesting how Clarkson has surrounded himself with a lot of ex Demons. Some say he was never really one of us because he played more games with North. But it appears he has made a lot of strong bonds with Melbourne teammates. Good luck to Cam. Who knows, he could be a future great senior coach. He is having an apprenticeship to die for with the best.
    3 points
  28. I seriously cant remember when any of Jay Clarke's predictions or rumours turned out to be correct. I remember reading that he once said that Roos would never coach Melbourne.
    3 points
  29. I want Jay Clarke's job. You make stuff up and everyone knows that you did, yet you still get quite well paid to continue doing it...
    3 points
  30. Don't jump down my throat straight away... This is the first time the new Bartlett/Jackson/Roos regime has spun to us. I hope it's the only time but it's quite clear that the reason why the coach search is taking time isn't because of due diligence exclusively. The fact is, while assistants will get on board, the senior assistant will be harder to land because whoever gets the jobs might feel he is playing Russian Roulette. And all the chambers of the gun are loaded. Let's be honest, we have had a s***load of turnover with coaches during the last 6 years. Whilst some of those coaches were caretakers, we have had a total of 7 head coaches in the last 7 years. It seems like a poisoned chalice. Roosy will need this year to start proving that the club is legit this time around. We then might get to see some quality applicants at the end of 2015. This may have been the reason why Roosy signed for 2 with an option of a third. The club knew that others may not want a bar of becoming a senior Melbourne head coach and the club needed to demonstrate in 2014 that we are an attractive destination to go to.
    3 points
  31. Maybe? Pick 2 - 5 for Howe would be an enormous win for us.
    3 points
  32. Matty Bate... Turning circle of a tugboat. Awkward action for everything he did on the field. He could run fast in straight lines once he built up enough speed, but don't ask him to change direction. I'm confident Michie is nothing like Bate.
    3 points
  33. He and Garland for co-captaincy is my left-field prediction for next year.
    3 points
  34. Howe for Shiel won't happen but not because we say no. The thing about trading Howe is you have to weigh up his use to our team vs what he might attract in a trade that could make our team better. Currently he is a high-marking, high half-forward who struggles through the middle and has average to above average goal kicking accuracy. We also have a number of other KPF/high half-forward options in Clark, Dawes, Hogan, Fitzpatrick & Watts. If we can trade him out for a midfielder to add depth to our third world midfield it will be a win. You also have to look at these kinds of players and trade them out when their value is high. No point trying to offer Tapscott in a trade as no one will want him for anything more than a 4th/5th round pick. It's the same logic that should have seen us try to offload Jamar two years ago and Sylvia several years ago. We got something decent for McLean at the right time but not a choice of our own making however got a decent pick back for Travis Johnstone when we saw he still had some value. Considering a trade for Howe doesn't mean he is not rated, in fact it's the opposite. It's just that his relative value to our team is low compared to what we might get for him in return and his value is likely to decrease with age over the next couple of years rather than increase. You don't throw him away for nothing but if you can get something back that will improve our team (namely a midfielder), you do it.
    3 points
  35. You can think its Band 4, Band 5, Little River Band, Band-aid... I don't care. But don't give me the rhetorical flourish "I don't know we're that is coming from" - I have been boring this site for a year about 'where it is coming from.'
    3 points
  36. Not sure about using pick 70, might be useful to save something for the PSD given we have pick 2. Could be someone fall through the cracks.
    3 points
  37. rumour threads are to Demonland posters, as Parliamentary privilege is to politicians.
    3 points
  38. 3 points
  39. Please bailey was coach at the time nuff said.Bruce is a quality guy who the MFC burned like other senior players. He deserved better.
    3 points
  40. Mundy, Butler, Gilmore, Willits, Polo, T Murphy, Dempsey, Bower, Stanley, Grigg, Hislop, Urquahart, Ward, Notte, Maric A, Strauss, Swift, Ballantyne, Griffiths, Fyfe, Bastinac, Smith, Pitt, Lamb. They are the picks 19 - 21 from 2003 to 2010. Of the 24 picks I reckon there are 4 or 5 good players - Mundy, Ward, Fyfe, Bastinac. There are some ok players - Grigg, Ballantyne and Smith. If we trade pick 20 for Vince given our situation I'll be thinking we've done a sensible thing. If we get Lyon as well it will be robbery.
    3 points
  41. If we can't pick up the young, quality mid-fielder we want with pick 2 we should keep it. Instead we should trade our later picks for older midfielders like Myer and Vince. These guys will be around 2 - 5 years and worth later round picks. They will help develop our younger talent, but more importantly should be able to give us the instant competitive up-lift in the midfield which we require. I am against trading pick 2 at a significant loss, despite our desperate need for ready made high quality mids.
    3 points
  42. In any event, it's no longer a three month post to OS - I presume he has a mobile phone!
    2 points
  43. I think the clubs view it like a long game of poker or a test match which is fine but not overly entertaining...
    2 points
  44. By far the worst trade period in history.. Not for Melbourne but AFL in general.
    2 points
  45. Why embarrassing ? Its a big game. What would have happened if they said no but maybe Mitch Duncan. The game is you keeping dipping the bait no matter how ridiculous it is and the worse thing that will happen is you wont land a fish.
    2 points
  46. Cam Bruce was the best midfielder in the league for a period at the start of the 2004 or 2005? premiership season. We would literally die for a player of his calibre now.
    2 points
  47. The FA compo formula is secret like the PP formula. It wasn't politic for the AFL to give us a PP even though it would appear that we should have met any reasonable formula. I'm more confident of Sylvia compensation being on the generous side - it's a way the AFL can help us with less controversy. I think Port was perceived to be a basket case at the end of 2012 and needed help and got generous FA compo. Unfortunately I don't think they'll be as generous as Band 1 - pick 3 wouldn't fly when Buddy delivers pick 19, but I reckon we'll get Band 3 pick 23 or maybe even Band 2 pick 20 if we're lucky.
    2 points
  48. Hopefully the AFL doesn't work to a strict formula and that they take certain intangibles into account (this compo system is now only in its second year and they are surely still tweaking it)... the impact of a player's loss should play a significant part, and it could easily be said that Sylvia's loss will have a far greater impact on the MFC than Thomas' loss will have on the CFC. Not only are we losing a player who was showing form in the second half of the year, but we are losing one of our more experienced players and therefore the impact on the young playing group will be more significant. The other thing I am hoping for is that the AFL will see this as a chance to give a little back after dangling the prospect of a PP in front of us and then taking it away... after all, they are not entirely against us as has been proven with the assistance package, the installing of PJ and, I am guessing, their not insignificant help in getting Roos across the line.
    2 points
  49. Let me be clear, 316. It's not about "offloading" Howe, willy-nilly. It's about recognising his trade value, amongst a dearth of SFA else on our list and pulling the trigger on a deal. If he was able to net us that 22-24 year old midfielder, we'd be laughing. That opens the door for pick #2. Trading him for someone like Shiel is what I'm proposing we do. Trade him for someone of value, because he himself has perceived value. I think we can cover him and as you allude to, someone like Shiel will more than fill that void.
    2 points
  50. I am so over this Ollie Wines V Toumpas crap. I can almost guarantee that Wines would have been copping flack from our supporters for being too much like Nathan Jones and we needed an outside player who has skills blah blah blah ... With Viney and Jones leading the way in the middle and a pre season under his belt Toumpas will show us his elite skills in due course. Now of that I am sure. I have a lot of faith in him and I believe he will develop into possibly our best ball user in time.
    2 points
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