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  1. I've done some work in the orthopaedic surgery area and I can tell you Mitch didn't snap the tendon. It's torn and will be repaired by having two screws inserted to re-align the joint to it's correct position. Lisfranc has many connections to other joints of the foot through it's tendons, and this is where it can get messy. These need to heal properly to ensure no further pain. Also worth noting that Dr. Mark Blackney who operated on Mitch is absoloutely the cream of the crop in the orthopaedic, foot sector so we know Mitch is in the best of hands.
    9 points
  2. It's just closing a loop-hole so that all players are available to be nominated at each pick instead of going through the picks with each individual player. What it stops for example is if Stewart was the first player to be considered, we could commit pick 3 to him and if Collingwood didn't match that with their first rounder then our pick 3 would be committed, then when Viney came up next, GWS nominates him with pick 1 and we say we'll use our next available pick which is R2, pick 25 because we've already committed 3 on Stewart. In the new scenario both Stewart and Viney (and everyone else) are eligible to be picked by GWS at pick 1 so when GWS nominates Viney we have to use pick 3 on him. You can substitute Daniher for Viney in Essendon's case and their 1st rounder for ours - that's the example the article uses and is probably much more realistic because Stewart could be valued somewhere near Essendon's 1st pick. It prevents clubs with nominated F/S burning their 1st round pick on another club's F/S - it's analogous to stopping the old chestnut/furphy "let's trade our 1st rounder so we can get Viney in the 2nd round" (what's the bet someone suggests that in this thread btw?) It really is fairer - it's a good change.
    4 points
  3. Its rather a lot more simple than many are contriving . We simply are prepared to use 3. Most likely scenario is we have use 3. If we dont have to, beaudy !! Bargain Otherwise it will go as supposed. No ones about to help us. Any "deal" is bound to be a bit dodgy and liable to backfire . Viney IS worth 3. Hell we'll still have 4 12(?) and i think 23. Hardy a pittance !
    3 points
  4. There is nothing more certain than our club picking up Jack Viney and if fit he will play round 1 next year. Esentially we are getting Jack Viney for nothing thanks to the AFL over rating Tom Scully, the Bulldogs will be cursing Ward is and always will be a better player than Tom they get one first round pick we get 2. We will add 3 first round picks to our list this year be it kids or established players, from most accounts Jack would be drafted between 2-10 anyway. If we pay a lttle overs and that is all it will be a little we are still in front Jack is in the club now, the club has managed him through a pre-season program, they are managing his games played this year. He is essentially like Sam Blease and Jack Watts in there first year they were drafted(hopefully except the broken leg). The club doesn't bring a player into its training program for 12 months, spending time and resources on him not to draft him. Injuries permitting he will be a 250 AFL game player.
    3 points
  5. I guess we are willing to risk 'losing' Jack because we know that he'll request a trade home in 2 years. Of course there is no guarantee he'll be successful in returning to Melbourne, but you put that out there in your interview, and you watch clubs go off you. Nic Nat rings a bell? We'd be stupid not to do everything in our power to keep picks 3 & 4.
    2 points
  6. Jetta straight back in to the seniors is a pleasant surprise. No development league this week?
    2 points
  7. Nightmare scenario.I just opened another bottle of red!
    2 points
  8. LOL they're just playing mind-games with old dee - taking the pizz
    2 points
  9. I expect that Neeld will like Nev's workrate and hardness, and I hope he can stay fit, and put his hand up for senior selection over the next 4 to 6 weeks.
    2 points
  10. Must admit I have a huge soft spot for Nev Jetta, I think this guy can play but it has to be in the midfield or down back. I loved the story of the family moving to Melbourne when he was drafted, I feel sorry for him due to the constant injuries he has had. It is a few years back now but his game against Brisbane at Visy park was one of the most dominate game we have seen from any of our midfielders since, hard was great around the clearances. I hope he can get his body right for the next 10 weeks, fplay a couple of senior games, dominate finals for Casey and retain his spot on our list for a couple more years. This kid is all heart and deserves some luck.
    2 points
  11. Good for him. I rate Jetta and still think he can be a part of our regular 22 at the end of the year (if he can just avoid shattering into a thousand pieces by then).
    2 points
  12. The fact is that whatever happens, MFC may be the first club to have to genuninely over pay for a player (vs their real market value at draft time - and I do admit true market value is a bit of a joke considering the lottery aspect required in recruiting). This is why it is bollocks. If MFC have to over pay by one pick, the FS rule is not working. It is as simple as that. The FS rule was not concieved to make clubs pay a premium for continuing a family legacy / dynasty. It was there so that clubs could foster some sort of history and romance for supporters of yesteryear. I agree that a player who is the best in the country should not be able to go for a 2nd round pick (as was the case previously) but to make it a penalty to those clubs is sad. The only way its going to be ruined is if people dummy bid, which by all accounts there is a good chance of. I would suspect, if GWS and GC were completely legit, they would admit that they dont have a requirement for more midfielders as they have a plethora of them already. They would probably also admit that JV is somewhere around picks 3-8 which would mean they should not bid picks 1 or two for him. Thus MFC should get him with a second rounder. How ever you carve this up - its probably not right that we get him with a second rounder but on the same hand its not right we have to pay pick 3 for him if he is the 5th best player in the pool of talent.
    2 points
  13. I realise this is nitpicking, but just on the title of the Age's article: the AFL haven't really "overhauled" the bidding process, they've tweaked it slightly to add an extra layer of reasonability. Jeez I hate headlines designed to make people panic.
    2 points
  14. The paranoia and conspiracy theories bandied around here in regards to the AFL or the media are just ridiculous. For christ's sake, the change was minimal and will have no effect on whether we use a 1st or 2nd rounder on Viney.
    2 points
  15. Perhaps I have comprehension issues BH, but you definitely said "Boak is only 23 and played 100 games, so he's coming into his best years of footy." in the sentence immediately following those in which you had discussed Jones and Moloney, as if to use that (his age and games played) as a point of difference... my response was that Jones is only approximately 6 months older. Perhaps I'm not the only one with comprehension issues. What is it that makes you feel you need to jump on everyone who has a differing opinion to yourself and place yourself as some sort of expert on all matters AFL? Clearly the personal issues you have are far greater than any comprehension issues I may have.
    2 points
  16. What if Viney is the best player in the draft or the second best? What will you say then? Watch Viney tomorrow and tell me why he isn't worthy of said title.
    2 points
  17. BH, your arrogance is tiring, and totally unjustified. Cameron Mooney kicked 40+ a season on a number of occasions, I personally don't believe he's a match winner. Here you go again, setting bizarre benchmarks to prove your point (40+ goals a year to be a match winner, win the Rising Star award to be a star, next thing you will be doing is using super coach points to prove how crap a player is). For the price we would have to pay for Cloke, I think we would be better investing that in to our midfield (Boak), given we have Clark who is more than capable of kicking 40+ a year (which elevates him to match winning status according to your criteria), and we also have Cook/Watts/Fitzpatrick/Martin who can play the 2nd tall forward role. I've done the 2 x tall forward thing to death, but what I will say is that those teams you mentioned, as well as the other premiers of recent time that you didn't, all have one thing in common - they had/have a topline midfield. Geelong has won 3 flags in 5 years, not once would I say their forward line (in particular their 2 talls) is of high quality, and with a match winner in it (Stevie J is a match winner, not Mooney/Hawkins/Pods/Nath Ablett). Would the Lions have 3 flags in a row if you left Brown and Lynch/Bradshaw there but took out Voss, Aker, Lappin, Black and Power? Hope you can control your laughter after reading this post, as you will no doubt find it lacking understanding how football is played according to you. One thing BH, I don't understand why you pick people up on their interpretation/definition of something. My opinion of what a match winner is is obviously different to yours. If you have Cloke as a match winner, then I think you are loose with your definition. FWIW, Pendles and Swan are match winners at Collingwood, that is all. It's like what/who you call a star, compared to what someone else does. I don't give a sh!t if you see football differently - how I see the game is pretty bloody accurate if you ask me. But remember one thing, there is no book to say how you see it is "it" and we all should do the same. Your posts would be so much more interesting if you would understand that what you are giving us is your opinion and not "how it is". But, I don't expect you to change, just as I won't. Laugh away.
    2 points
  18. I want Mitch Clark to get back to playing and leading the forward line. I want the beginning of a core of 8-10 "A" and "B" Grade midfielders who can take it up to the juggernauts of the AFL. That would mean: Jones keeping on keeping on Trengove getting better Grimes building his midfield role Gysberts playing AFL consistently Howe working as a midfielder Midfielder X (the one we trade for, like Boak or Beams or whoever) Viney as a recruit Draft pick #4 (as good as Viney) Maybe any others in the mix: Blease, Nicholson, Magner, Sylvia, Tynan, Taggert, Couch etc. That is all.
    2 points
  19. Jack viney is worth whatever we pay pick 3 or 23 we still get the 3rd best player with the scully compo. Toumpas and viney to the MFC along with Boak(13) = A+ midfield Jamar,Jones,Viney,Boak,Toumpas,Trengrove Cheer up guys.
    2 points
  20. Agree pick 12 not 4. I know our recruiting has been poor to say the least but if you throw a crap load of darts at a dartboard eventually you will hit the bullseye. (I hope)
    2 points
  21. Pick 12 for Boak
    2 points
  22. Mitch Clark good to go.
    2 points
  23. You're lucky, when I was a 6y.o., the only forum I could exercise any right on was the Roman forum.
    2 points
  24. MONEY CAN'T BUY ME LOVE by Mean Gene Melbourne displayed great emotion when it monstered the young guns from Greater Western Sydney in their long-awaited clash at the MCG. While the board, the football department and the players have long moved on from the departure at the end of 2011 of Tom Scully, the majority of the fans needed to vent at their former player who not only jumped ship for the money but also who many believe acted disrepectfully to the club in the way he and his connections dealt with his departure. The fans got what they wanted. Like most of his fellow Giants, Scully started well enough. He was collecting his share of boos with every possession in the game's first 25 minutes as the Sydneysiders scored five of the game's first eight goals but then the wheels swiftly fell off as Melbourne went in for the kill. By game's end, they were no longer Giants and more in the nature of midgets in the presence of a superior opposition. It was hard to believe that this was the same team that went to Geelong and stayed with the reigning premiers or was in with a chance late in the game last week against Richmond. For that matter, it's still hard to get the head around the fact that one of their number is really cashing in to the tune of $2 million for this season alone. Hard to fathom that from the 25 minute mark of the first term until the siren blared to end the third quarter, another team that had been pushed from pillar to post in the first nine rounds of the season and only won its first game a few weeks ago, could outscore an opponent by 15.8 to 1.1. The fact is that money can't buy what that scoreline provided to the people who collectively make up the Melbourne Football Club. It could only happen with emotion, with integrity, with hard work and with some healthy improvement in every facet of the club over recent weeks. The hero of the early part of the game was Mitch Clark who was absolutely superb with four first goals before he came off with a foot injury and a knock to the head. At one stage, it would not have been unreasonable to expect him to finish with double figures. His departure allowed others to take over as forward targets, notably former defenders Jared Rivers and Colin Garland who finished with four and three goals respectively (although the former was already in the goals by the time Clark left the field). Multiple goalkickers are always the heroes but it was another Demon who has stood consistently as a beacon among his teammates in Nathan Jones who ran all day to pick up 34 disposals and who led the way all day. So too did Mark Jamar in the ruck against a couple of the Giants big men in Brogan and Giles who might be unsung but have taken some significant scalps this year. Speaking of unsung heroes Matthew Bate has been in football's no man's land for the past few years but he was superb against the Giants amassing 27 touches, seven marks and a super goal. Then there were Melbourne's early draft picks in Jack Watts (27 touches), co-captains Jack Grimes and Jack Trengove, James Frawley and the much-maligned Colin Sylvia. All of them turned it on and showed their worth and the fact that they were deserving of their early draft slots. One should add some plaudits to Jordie McKenzie who quelled Scully's early start and put him out of the game. Similarly, Tom McDonald took the other GWS number one pick Jonathon Patton to the cleaners in a true break out performance in defence. The game could well turn out to be a turning point for the Melbourne Football Club and it was only fitting that former skipper James McDonald was on hand to watch his old club take its first steps towards future greatness. Perhaps I'm getting a bit carried away but it's been a while since the Demons had such a convincing victory but I suspect there will be many more against plastic franchises built on dollars yet lacking in the emotional aspects of the game that money can't buy, a principle no better exemplified than by the emotionless robot who got paid more than anyone else on the day. Melbourne 6.1.37 11.4.70 18.8.116 20.15.135 GWS Giants 5.1.31 6.2.38 6.2.38 9.3.57 Goals Melbourne Clark Rivers 4 Garland 3 Davey Sylvia 2 Blease, Bate Blease Howe Jamar Trengove GWS Giants Cameron 3 Wilson 2 Adams Bugg Greene Patton Best Melbourne Jones Watts McDonald Bate Grimes Clark GWS Giants Ward Adams Treloar Shiel Greene McDonald Injuries Melbourne Mitch Clark (foot) GWS Giants Nil Changes Melbourne Rohan Bail (concussion) replaced in the selected side by Sam Blease. GWS Giants Nil Reports Melbourne Nil GWS Giants Nil Umpires McBurney, Ryan, Hay Crowd 20,070 at the MCG
    1 point
  25. I'm thinking we need at least two more rebuilds. 2029 seems a possibility.
    1 point
  26. I fail to see how any of those three being sub is building the "versatility" into the side that Neeld says we need. Unless by versatile he means they are happy about wearing the green vest every second week. Martin was a gimme coming in but how does this translate to goals? Sadly it doesn't and I don't see where they are going to come from. Tapscott's hardness will be needed with Davey out
    1 point
  27. Dropping out of form players isn't always the answer. Moloney is still working hard and is playing a different role to previous years - like focusing on defensive aspects. He will be a better player in the long run.
    1 point
  28. I have seen plenty of doom & gloom in this thread re: Croad, Richo. Brisbane Lions player Ryan Lester tore his Lisfranc joint last year, made a full return to pre-season training and has played 10 or so games this year. It's not a career-ending injury if properly treated and rehabilitated. Same scenario as ACL.
    1 point
  29. Wines and Viney has a nice ring to it. Could be a good vintage.
    1 point
  30. We have to decide around 6 weeks before the draft. From where I sit, if he is the best available we will nominate him and if he isn't the best available we will nominate him anyway and say that he was the best available...
    1 point
  31. Yes, it is much fairer than the old system and while we handwring that we are the first team to have to use such an important pick on a player - this is the kind of player they were trying to keep teams from stealing in the later rounds. Viney at 25 would be ludicrous. Doesn't mean we can't try for it, however...
    1 point
  32. Agree, and besides young Jack was BOG in his first year of TAC cup, in the Grand Final. Little hard to forget in the football industry.
    1 point
  33. You say Demetriou has given you no reason to think otherwise, yet your argument is purely hypothetical in that GWS or GC would be given the all clear to manipulate the draft, pretty flakey reasoning at best. Was it not GWS who were hatching a plan to get Jaeger O'Meara by trading themselves dodgily into the mini draft and the AFL shot it down.
    1 point
  34. The key here is that there's not many around. Which makes the ones that are an even more valuable commodity. Ask the Bulldogs. The way that the game has changed has made life difficult for key forwards. They're double teamed, there are rolling zones, space is defended, the forward press sucks them up the ground, etc. A dominant key forward won't guarantee anything, all a club can do is develop a list that gives them the best chance to compete for a flag. Nick Riewoldt played in 3 grand finals and isn't a premiership player, but he was instrumental in giving them a chance to compete. Having a good midfield is a given. I think we'd have to pay Cloke too much, so I've gone off the idea of getting him, but I appreciate the value that a dominant key forward provides.
    1 point
  35. The AFL is worried about poaching because they know established clubs will attempt to raid GWS and the Suns.
    1 point
  36. Hmmm..let me crystal ball gaze for a moment... ahh...the mysts clear...Melbourne takes Jack Viney with pick 3.. All has been revealed !!
    1 point
  37. Pick 3 Toumpas Pick 4 Stringer Pick 13 port Adelaide Boak to MFC Pick 23 SOG Jack viney This is how i see it playing out with GWS just not willing to risk the viney bid. Cloke will end up at the bulldogs.
    1 point
  38. I think Boak is at least equivalent to Jones and I wouldn't trade Jones for pick 12. Yet pick 12 (possibly plus peripheral sweeteners) may be sufficient given the weaker trading positions of other clubs. So for me, Boak is a very good value target.
    1 point
  39. Bate had 28 touches, couch had 6 in the VFL, quality thinking
    1 point
  40. Even if we got those players without Cloke I'd be very happy.
    1 point
  41. With the emergence of Tom McDonald, and the excellent form of Mitch Clarke and Jeremy Howe this year,next season should see some rapid improvement. With the likes of Jurrah and Gawn returning from injury, and the addition of Jack Viney. We also have 3 excellent picks to trade for another experienced body or some more good young talent. Just have to continue to play with intensity and spirit for the remainder of this year, it looks pretty good, after all the doom and gloom earlier on this year. Keep it up boys!
    1 point
  42. Misson said during the injury updates that Viney most likely will play on Friday.
    1 point
  43. And he has got 'daddy issues' with him being controlled by his old man. Massive cross to bear...
    1 point
  44. I remember watching and thinking the same thing. His skills are fantastic.
    1 point
  45. Leave him where he is and let his confidence grow, grow and grow. As it turns out we may well have picked a premiership quality CHB at No.1 in the 2008 draft ... and that's okay.
    1 point
  46. Jonesy objected to the way a GWS player thumped Grimes over the line to spoil a mark. I loved it... and congratulate all the Demons who got involved. There should be more of it, a s*&tlo^d of it as we go forward.
    1 point
  47. I b-o-o-o-o-o-d Scully at every opportunity! It was necessary and it was expected. I told him that he had the makings of a good umpire!!!! When we cheered Macca I told Scully that's what it's all about!!!! However, I doubt I will ever feel the need to boo him again. He is not a great player. He is a good running, link man.... We are probably fortunate they took him off our hands. I wish him a long, mediocre career!
    1 point
  48. Watts delivering pin-point passes to Garland and Rivers is something I never thought I'd ever see.
    1 point
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