12 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

But he has put out his top 20 rankings which essentially mirrors the draft. I’ll be surprised if someone he rates as 25 two days ago gets picked ten 2 days later

I know plenty have gone into bat here but it literally says it as a disclaimer every power ranking.

'The final Form Guide will be released a week ahead of the draft. Remember, this is a ranking and not our mock draft on where players will be drafted – that will come in draft week.'

Cals eye test and looking at stats, best ons, form, etc. Plenty of people have said clubs rankings are different to the media, and that media ranking doesn't always correlate to AFL. Cal nailed last year until Faull pick then it went pair shaped.

JT must looking at who will become the next Bailey Fritsch ie Nairn.

Edited yesterday at 11:251 day by shakeandbake

27 minutes ago, Damo said:

I dont know if what you posted is deliberate and I normally like your input but you have said I wrote what you quoted. I did not write that and you should check your copy if this is a mistake. If it is not a mistake then it is just BS what you have done. It is easy to check my post.

whoops my bad Damo, my response was to Oxdee, clicked the wrong post to reply to

Apologies

3 minutes ago, shakeandbake said:

I know plenty have gone into bat here but it literally says it as a disclaimer every power ranking.

'The final Form Guide will be released a week ahead of the draft. Remember, this is a ranking and not our mock draft on where players will be drafted – that will come in draft week.'

Cals looking at stats, best ons, form, etc. Plenty of people have said clubs rankings are different to the media, and that media ranking doesn't always correlate to AFL. Cal nailed last year until Faull pick then it went pair shaped.

JT must looking at who will become the next Bailey Fritsch ie Nairn.

Fritsch was pick 31 not top 10

Just now, Oxdee said:

Fritsch was pick 31 not top 10

Good enough to be one though. Especially in this draft

2 hours ago, Oxdee said:

It’s like im living in an alternative universe. Cal Twomey has had an almost 100% rate for years now. That’s even up to the top 20. Very rarely will a pick touted for 25 land in the top 10. Im starting to think dees supporters have had a lobotomy

@Damo

At this point, got to be trolling...

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

2024. Pick 14 - Jonty Faull. Twomey Nov Phantom 25.

2023. 12 - Gothard. Twomey Nov - 28.

      16 - Green. Twomey 25

      2022. 16 - Rowston. Twomey 30

            17 - Michalanney. Twomey 25

            2021. 18 Sheldrick. Twomey 35

                  17. Brown. Twomey 23

      Nairn from 25 drafted at 12 is entirely in line with results that happen all the time.

Gothard was at least 21 in ‘rookie me’

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/2023/11/20/rookie-me-centrals-2023-phantom-afl-draft/

Rowston was 19 in the espn phantom draft.

All of the above picks are with 5-10… you are expecting Nairn to go almost 15 spots higher than anyone has him?

11 minutes ago, 2021 said:

At this point, got to be trolling...

Yep, clearly a troll now.

Horrible attempt at trolling. Cal has written this in the same thing oxdee is quoting from his FORM GUIDE

Where does he go? Nairn is shaping as an early call and is in the sights of Melbourne with its top-10 selections. Other clubs in the teens, such as the Giants and Crows, would also look at him if available.  

8 hours ago, adonski said:

7: Nairn
8: Farrow
17: Pickett (received from Brisbane in exchange for pick 37 & a 2027 first round pick tied to GCS)

Sorry to be the bearer but Brisbane will only trade for greater points. Annable will cost them all their picks as it is

(Unless they could ontrade the future first for more points with a third club..)

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by The end is nigh
Additional

Much ado about nothing in here. JT will get it right.

9 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Much ado about nothing in here. JT will get it right.

Certainly hope so.

I wonder if you could swap the Blues 7 for 9 and 11 if they thought they could get ahead of the bid on Dean?

11 hours ago, zoe1617 said:

That F1 pick might end up being a earlier first round pick next year compaired to what we would get in a trade this year.

Gold coast will have a much harder draw next year, they only need to have bad luck with injuries, lose more close games than they win, have a bad pre season and that pick could end up P9 or 10 next year

Equally GC could win the flag and then pick 18 could get pushed back 5 places, like this year with FA compensation, Academy and F/S, to pick 23.

3 minutes ago, old55 said:

Equally GC could win the flag and then pick 18 could get pushed back 5 places, like this year with FA compensation, Academy and F/S, to pick 23.

It's a possibility. Still a good pick to let J to the T cook with.

Rankings and phantom drafts are different things.

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

I wonder if you could swap the Blues 7 for 9 and 11 if they thought they could get ahead of the bid on Dean?

That would be great for us, but Carlton still have to find the points for Dean.

Not quite sure of the rules, but don't they need to surrender a 1st round pick if he's bid on in 1st round? Or is that for next year? 🤔

I find the propeller-head that everyone is responding to kind of entertaining.

20 hours ago, BangBnagBang said:

he's slow, one sided, not very good on his preferred side and has shown nothing IMO he has good goal sense. yep lets play in as a small fwd cause hes small.

disagree

Hey, BangBnagBang - where would you play Viney? Clearly not as a small forward, but given the comments you've made about him, do you still see him as a midfielder? I would I have thought your views about him might make him more of a liability as a midfielder than a small forward.

2 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

I wonder if you could swap the Blues 7 for 9 and 11 if they thought they could get ahead of the bid on Dean?

Assuming he is not bid on before us could we force it by saying we will bid on Dean and give them the option of 8 for 9&11? I get confused with the points whether there is a clear benefit to them with that swap?

16 hours ago, adonski said:

7: Nairn
8: Farrow
17: Pickett (received from Brisbane in exchange for pick 37 & a 2027 first round pick tied to GCS)

7 hours ago, The end is nigh said:

Sorry to be the bearer but Brisbane will only trade for greater points. Annable will cost them all their picks as it is

(Unless they could ontrade the future first for more points with a third club..)

The problem with this is Bris academy player is a top 5-6 pick. Therefore Bris pick 17 will disappear when matched, or the trade would need to happen before the bid is placed at pick 5-6. Then you have no idea if Picket will be still there at 17. Would need to have multiple options at 17 you would be happy to do the trade for.

3 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Hey, BangBnagBang - where would you play Viney? Clearly not as a small forward, but given the comments you've made about him, do you still see him as a midfielder? I would I have thought your views about him might make him more of a liability as a midfielder than a small forward.

That's the thing with Vin. His skillset allows him to play inside bull or inside bull.

1 minute ago, BangBnagBang said:

The problem with this is Bris academy player is a top 5-6 pick. Therefore Bris pick 17 will disappear when matched, or the trade would need to happen before the bid is placed at pick 5-6. Then you have no idea if Picket will be still there at 17. Would need to have multiple options at 17 you would be happy to do the trade for

If a bid for dean comes in the first 4, Would Carlton do pick 7 pick 37 and next years gc1 , for picks 9,11and next years round 2?

Pick 7 would then get used up for dean, (we don’t move back a spot) they get another pick in the 30s that they could bundle to get back up in the draft with a gold coast or Brissy. And they strengthen their hand next year for a potential pick 1 father and son.

Seems fair to me.

I can't believe people are looking past Sharp as the best bet. He is the only high possession type midfielder in the top 20. What's the point of anyone who kicks well, runs and turns, if he is only going to get it 15-20 times at AFL level. We desperately need an accumulating midfielder. All our other midfelders are in the 20-25 group - we've got enough of them.

looking further into than I should, pick 37 is likely to have come in by 4 or 5 picks when the dean bid could be by Richmond. This gives it 100 more points or so.

might also allow a trade with Carlton either side of the dean bid presuming it is around in the top 4.

Trade pick 7 and 37 for pick 11 and future Carl round 2.

Pick 7 would get used up in the bid. Pick 9 slides a couple of places.

And after the matching of dean we trade our gc future 1 for that slid back pick.