Dees Target Pick 19

[layzie 28,672]

A year is a long time in footy. I know next year's draft sounds like cream but you can go backwards while others go forward dramatically in the space of 12 months. If they have identified talent they think that can help us in THIS draft, why wait? Get them in sooner.

I don't love the idea completely but JT and co won the flag, not me. I'm backing them in.

Edited November 22, 2022 by layzie

[ChaserJ 3,962]

41 minutes ago, layzie said:

A year is a long time in footy. I know next year's draft sounds like cream but you can go backwards while others go forward dramatically in the space of 12 months. If they have identified talent they think that can help us in THIS draft, why wait? Get them in sooner.

I don't love the idea completely but JT and co won the flag, not me. I'm backing them in.

Harry Lemmey’s a very recent example of this. That said, there are a lot of kids from next years pool that have already shown a heap of high end ability.

 

[Demonstone 19,084]

3 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Harry Lemmey’s a very recent example of this.

I like the sound of this Hairy Lemmy kid.

 

 

[Robbie57 1,990]

5 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I like the sound of this Hairy Lemmy kid.

 

 

Father son pick? 

 

[Nascent 7,226]

Not sure I understand the logic behind our alleged interest in pick 19 before the draft.

It's a good pick to have coming into the draft as you can leverage a lot out of it come night 2. So GWS are in a good position to capitalise there. 

Obviously we won't know who's available until the first round is done, so if we are targeting a player we would make a play for 19 after the first round is done. Doesn't really make sense either to pay a premium to get pick 19 just to then try and on sell it again for more draft capital.

[DeeSpencer 23,104]

15 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Not sure I understand the logic behind our alleged interest in pick 19 before the draft.

It's a good pick to have coming into the draft as you can leverage a lot out of it come night 2. So GWS are in a good position to capitalise there. 

Obviously we won't know who's available until the first round is done, so if we are targeting a player we would make a play for 19 after the first round is done. Doesn't really make sense either to pay a premium to get pick 19 just to then try and on sell it again for more draft capital.

I was told trade up was plan A but unlikely and trade back was plan B.

It might be that trading pick 13 for pick 19 and something isn't possible. So instead we've got a deal with trading pick 13 out of the draft completely, maybe for a team like Carlton or Collingwood's future first.

Then trading our own future first for pick 19 is how we achieve the effective trade back from 13 to 19.

If we're keen to trade back (which makes sense as Jefferson, Barnett or George are a solid chance of being available at 19) then we need a host of options pre arranged with other clubs now so that one of them is successful on draft night.

 

[Demon Disciple 10,921]

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

If we're keen to trade back (which makes sense as Jefferson, Barnett or George are a solid chance of being available at 19) then we need a host of options pre arranged with other clubs now so that one of them is successful on draft night.

Yep, we need to be in the know of who is going where and at what picks :)

[BangBnagBang 519]

21 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I was told trade up was plan A but unlikely and trade back was plan B.

It might be that trading pick 13 for pick 19 and something isn't possible. So instead we've got a deal with trading pick 13 out of the draft completely, maybe for a team like Carlton or Collingwood's future first.

Then trading our own future first for pick 19 is how we achieve the effective trade back from 13 to 19.

If we're keen to trade back (which makes sense as Jefferson, Barnett or George are a solid chance of being available at 19) then we need a host of options pre arranged with other clubs now so that one of them is successful on draft night.

 

Listening to JT in AFL.com.au he said plan A not going to happen. Also talked about a cliff. Id stay our cliff doesn't extend to 13 so Plan B is a big chance.

[58er 5,607]

On 11/22/2022 at 11:57 AM, poita said:

That would be a totally dumb idea for a club that has tied itself up in knots in recent years trying to game the system. As good as Jake Bowey was in 2021, let's not forget that Bailey Laurie was the other outcome from our pissfarting around in 2020. Laurie is a long way from a pick 22 at this point, and effectively cost us a first round pick in this year's draft.

We have a strong hand in a strong 2023 draft. I'll be very disappointed if we don't keep all of those 2023 picks.

Regarding Laurie you don't know what this season will bring. Look at his training photo and to me it seems he has taken off some weight and his body looks thinner snd much fitter. 

Your trouble is  you want instant success and don't allow players time snd they all take different time to reach AFL status.

I take a  more patient approach and consider injuries luck and smaller details in assessing the player and his  ability. 

This could well be Lauries year of development and you have totally written him off ! 

[58er 5,607]

1 minute ago, 58er said:

Regarding Laurie you don't know what this season will bring. Look at his training photo and to me it seems he has taken off some weight and his body looks thinner snd much fitter. 

Your trouble is  you want instant success and don't allow players time snd they all take different time to reach AFL status.

I take a  more patient approach and consider injuries luck and smaller details in assessing the player and his  ability. 

This could well be Lauries year of development and you have totally written him off ! 

And why has Laurie effectively cost us a first round draft pick this year? 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

Given some of the reports of club interest levels in players rated 6 - 10/12 a few very good players could slide out of the first round.

There are also a few reports of 'bolters' into the first round:  "A Tom Papley-like small forward is attracting ample interest from clubs with first-round picks, with Sandringham Dragons prospect Charlie Clarke looming as a possible night one selection...The Giants, which hold two late first-round selections and the first pick of the second round, have been heavily linked to Clarke and put work into him across the past month. Rival teams expect the Giants to target a small forward with at least one of those picks... Collingwood, which holds a first-round selection sandwiched between two Giants picks, had also been linked to Clarke"

With a few 'sliders', some 'bolters' and unknowns whether F/S Davey and Fletcher go in the first round suddenly make pick #20 very valuable and would attract a pick swap premium, not as big a premium as #19 but still a very handy pick to be holding at the end of the first night!  It is currently with the Eagles.