Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)

[Neil Crompton 4,716]

Just now, layzie said:

Just when Gil thought he could have a cruisy exit from the job.. 

Gil has the opportunity to do something right before he leaves.

[layzie 28,695]

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

North Melbourne can't take a trick. Their board must be in full blown meltdown mode.

I also can't imagine this would help Yze in his pursuit of a senior role, although there is absolutely nothing to suggest he was at all involved. It's just the optics really. 

That's right, think everyone's future is frozen until the AFL does their own investigation. 

[Binmans PA 25,995]

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

I mean, the ABC would have had to cover off a lot of things to get this to the public. The implications on them would be enormous if it’s found to be untrue.

I don’t doubt that the accused would try and deny it, because it will ruin them

Having worked with the ABC, this has to be water tight...

57 minutes ago, layzie said:

Russell Jackson is no scrub either and does his research. Broke the story on the treatment of Robbie Muir during his St Kilda years. 

He's a brilliant journalist.

[dees189227 10,755]

So it's alleged Clarkson told a partner this.

He told me to kill my unborn child.

Those are haunting words.

[Stiff Arm 4,412]

9 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

North Melbourne can't take a trick. Their board must be in full blown meltdown mode.

I also can't imagine this would help Yze in his pursuit of a senior role, although there is absolutely nothing to suggest he was at all involved. It's just the optics really. 

Surely they must have some sort of behavioural exit clause in their contract? Demonland lawyers on here know what are likely standard inclusions? 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Stiff Arm

[DubDee 20,546]

So hawthorn initiated this review of their own volition?

seems like only a couple of people would be aware of what went on and are no longer at the club

[Demonland 64,759]

 

[dazzledavey36 48,707]

All we need now is someone to provide a quote from Andrew Bolt in justifying the behaviour and we're set.

[Demon Disciple 10,923]

8 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Gil has the opportunity to do something right before he leaves.

Yes, this could very well be his legacy if he wants it to be.

[one_demon 826]

The people accused will just deny it, so it becomes a case of one word against another.

[Jaded No More 57,784]

Just now, Stiff Arm said:

Surely they must have some sort of behavioural exit clause in their contract? The lawyers on here know what are likely standard inclusions? 

I think it's less about the payout, which I am sure the AFL will cover, and more about the fact that they finally landed what they thought was a master coach.

Now they will need to start again.

 

[Demonland 64,759]

"Brisbane is considering whether to temporarily stand down senior coach Chris Fagan pending the results of an investigation into allegations of treatment of Indigenous players at Hawthorn.

Former Hawks staffer Fagan has been devastated and blindsided by the allegations and he has told he has no knowledge of the meetings that have been alleged by former Hawthorn indigenous players.

Those allegations include a player being told he and his partner should terminate a pregnancy.

But as the Lions work through the fallout the Herald Sun understands one possibility is standing him down until the investigation is complete and the findings returned."

[Demon Disciple 10,923]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

All we need now is someone to provide a quote from Andrew Bolt in justifying the behaviour and we're set.

Please don't encourage him, he belongs in the 19th Century, not on the air with his own show on Sky News (Australia's own Fox News).

[layzie 28,695]

Always need to hear the other side, no matter how bad things seem.

[Jaded No More 57,784]

2 minutes ago, one_demon said:

The people accused will just deny it, so it becomes a case of one word against another.

There is surely a mountain of evidence here. Why would Hawthorn themselves launch an investigation into their own culture if they didn't think anything was wrong? 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,794]

MFC go and target all these North Melb linked players.

[layzie 28,695]

Usually when you conduct internal investigations you have a rough idea of what you are going to find. 

[one_demon 826]

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

There is surely a mountain of evidence here. 

Possibly but how can you prove that Clarkson said to get an abortion?

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,794]

He's been waiting patiently to drop the bomb old Jeffy.

[sue 8,418]

11 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Surely they must have some sort of behavioural exit clause in their contract? Demonland lawyers on here know what are likely standard inclusions? 

Doesn't matter what's in the contract.  North's problem is that they thought they had secured a great coach in dire times and suddenly they might not.

[binman 37,958]

8 minutes ago, one_demon said:

The people accused will just deny it, so it becomes a case of one word against another.

Hardly. 

The players families represent more than word.

 

[Stiff Arm 4,412]

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

All we need now is someone to provide a quote from Andrew Bolt in justifying the behaviour and we're set.

And who might that be? 🤔

[BDA 20,031]

This is very hard to comprehend. You’d have to wonder what this means for the football club in terms of how it recovers. This kind of thing casts doubt over its ongoing survival. What kind of an institution behaves like this? What possible rehabilitation measures can it take to redeem itself or regain confidence that it can be entrusted with the development of young men. I wouldn’t want my children drafted to the Hawks and I’m sure many others wouldn’t either.

Needless to say, Clarkson and Fagan are finished. Not sure about the other coaches at the time but if I was the MFC I’d be asking very hard questions of Yze.

Goes without saying the allegations need to be proved but the sources are impeccable. 

[sue 8,418]

2 minutes ago, one_demon said:

Possibly but how can you prove that Clarkson said to get an abortion?

But you can adduce evidence that lends the claim credible, for example by bringing forward other who were told that at the time.

[old55 21,266]

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

There is surely a mountain of evidence here. Why would Hawthorn themselves launch an investigation into their own culture if they didn't think anything was wrong? 

My understanding is that the investigation was launched by Hawthorn after the Jeff Kennett and Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli issue was published.