Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Daisy on Indigenous round and the minute's silence for the Queen


Grapeviney

Recommended Posts

The AFLW attracted controversy last weekend when it ditched plans for a minute's silence to remember the Queen because of Indigenous round.

Here's an articulate, intelligent and passionate explanation of why it matters from Daisy Pearce. 

For all those people who say Indigenous round is just a tokenistic, virtue-signalling concept, here's proof from our skipper that there's real substance behind the sentiment and a willingness to stand up for principles when it matters most. 

You might disagree with her stance, but there's no denying that she's taken the time to consider her position and has thought about these issues at length. If that's not the purpose of Indigenous round, then what is?

 

  • Like 13
  • Thanks 3
  • Love 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

Edited by Jibroni
  • Like 16
  • Love 1
  • Facepalm 7
  • Sad 2
  • Angry 2
  • Vomit 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

I agree. It sounded shallow and scripted. I'm no royalist btw but for mine , Daisy has lost some credibility.

  • Like 8
  • Haha 1
  • Facepalm 1
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good on Dais. This stance will always get blow back from some, and they're entitled to their opinion. But the fact the AFLW prioritised Indigenous round, and the position of the Indigenous people involved, doesn't concern me at all.

The Queen has received due respect from an enormous majority of the population and society as a whole. This one act, to prioritise an Indigenous position during Indigenous round, doesn't diminish that for mine.

And before people say 'it's white people speaking for Indigenous people', don't forget this started because the person doing the welcome to country was not comfortable doing it with the minute's silence. And if First Nation's people say this is a legitimate issue for them, then it's not up to us to tell them it's not.

  • Like 18
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Fantastic from Daisy. Has clearly had lots of education around this and taken it in, something I would guess many who are quick to oppose her thoughts have not had.

It's not like she encouraged people to be negative about the Queen, she in fact praised her life of service, but merely talked about the timing of it being during Indigenous round and the context of all that means for the people that round is specifically for trying grow our understanding about.

I do find it pretty hilarious the usual suspects are somehow combining 'We need to move on from history' with 'We should celebrate history' while maintaining a straight face...

Edited by Lord Nev
  • Like 11
  • Love 1
  • Vomit 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

51 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I agree. It sounded shallow and scripted. I'm no royalist btw but for mine , Daisy has lost some credibility.

I think the only one losing credibility here is you and your comments are at best disingenuous. To suggest her comments were shallow more highlights your own shallowness than anything. If you think it sounded scripted then I think you need to listen again and pick up the feeling with which it was said. I thought it was clear that she had pondered at length the reasoning behind the decision and come to the conclusion that the decision that was made was completely understandable. She then expressed that understanding in a forthright and articulate manner. You could do well to ask the maid what she thinks of Daisy and her comments, you might find it instructive, even beneficial. Then again I could be completely wrong (about the maid bit, not about Daisy).

Of course all the above could be disregarded if BBO is simply stirring the pot, which is a distinct possibility. In which case; I will dismount my stead and scurry back into my holier than thou cave.

Edited by dworship
  • Like 4
  • Love 1
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, dworship said:

I think the only one losing credibility here is you and your comments are at best disingenuous. To suggest her comments were shallow more highlights your own shallowness than anything. If you think it sounded scripted then I think you need to listen again and pick up the feeling with which it was said. I thought it was clear that she had pondered at length the reasoning behind the decision and come to the conclusion that the decision that was made was completely understandable. She then expressed that understanding in a forthright and articulate manner. You could do well to ask the maid what she thinks of Daisy and her comments, you might find it instructive, even beneficial. Then again I could be completely wrong (about the maid bit, not about Daisy).

I stated my view dworship - I'll leave it at that.

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I stated my view dworship - I'll leave it at that.

Interesting, I had edited my post but you got in before you read it, your reply does answer my edit however. I'll leave it at that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, dworship said:

Interesting, I had edited my post but you got in before you read it, your reply does answer my edit however. I'll leave it at that.

Its called having an opinion and a valid one. If you disagree that's your call but the AFLW acted with no class and Daisy tried to justify it.

  • Like 6
  • Facepalm 3
  • Shocked 1
  • Sad 1
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Its called having an opinion and a valid one. If you disagree that's your call but the AFLW acted with no class and Daisy tried to justify it.

If you read what I wrote and actually understood it, I believe Daisy has pondered the decision that was made and could understand and empathise with it. Just a hypothetical question but do you think Queen Elizabeth II really cares?

You have obviously determined I don't have valid opinion, so jog on sunshine.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Uncle Colin didn't acknowledge the Queen's passing last Friday after his welcome to country. No one else seemed to notice (or didn't comment anyways) but i did. And why would he. The Crown means oppression and colonisation. Dispossession. I'm an Irish republican so I get it. We had 800 years of it.

At the same time i acknowledge the significance of the Crown as an institution and what it means to British people and monarchists. I don't want to disrespect that. Tradition is important in every culture.

There are 2 points of view. both equally valid. I think we should respect each others position. And leave it at that.

  • Like 7
  • Thanks 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, dworship said:

If you read what I wrote and actually understood it, I believe Daisy has pondered the decision that was made and could understand and empathise with it. Just a hypothetical question but do you think Queen Elizabeth II really cares?

You have obviously determined I don't have valid opinion, so jog on sunshine.

I think she's beyond caring dworship !

  • Haha 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

The board is full of lefty idiots more interested in their own virtue signalling. They are still white people who thin they speak for indigenous people because they think they are superior.

Would be hard to fit in more sweeping statements and predictable stereotypes in as few words as these. Well done!

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Let's just all agree that it is remarkable that Daisy expressed a considered and thoughtful opinion on the matter. Puts her in a very small bracket!

The monarchy is an ethnic symbol par excellence. Elizabeth II was the Notre Dame (see what I did there?) of Britishness, the Parthenon of Englishness.

I can accept that it is a sensitive moment for anyone whose identity is wrapped up in what is a pretty incredible and complex ethnic history and legacy. Exploitation and resistance, empire and liberation, privilege and working class pride, stuffy conservatism and unprecedented social diversity all in a single tradition. Some of the 'hot-takes' denigrating Britishness via the Queen have been plain idiotic and, frankly, racist.

BUT

I think it is a fairly straightforward thing to understand that for most indigenous Australian's, there's no real way to spin the idea that during 'Indigenous round' you can insert a ritual of devotion and deference to someone who, symbolically, we must all swear loyalty to for no reason other than her supposedly superior bloodline.

And it's not as if there is a shortage of such ritual obeisance going on.

 

 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Fantastic from Daisy. Has clearly had lots of education around this and taken it in, something I would guess many who are quick to oppose her thoughts have not had.

It's not like she encouraged people to be negative about the Queen, she in fact praised her life of service, but merely talked about the timing of it being during Indigenous round and the context of all that means for the people that round is specifically for trying grow our understanding about.

I do find it pretty hilarious the usual suspects are somehow combining 'We need to move on from history' with 'We should celebrate history' while maintaining a straight face...

Agree. She showed guts and gumption. In short supply in my opinion,  in a  country too timid to have its own head of state. It is quite pathetic.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

What disappointed me was that Sir Douglas Nicholls was knighted by the Queen for his contributions to the Indigenous community, and he spoke very fondly of her. It was a mistake and oversight by the AFLW and Daisy has fallen for a pretty shallow movement from within a dense progressive movement. This takes us a step back imo.

  • Like 8
  • Thanks 1
  • Facepalm 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

So there can never been reconciliation? Even with Australia? Australia as a country as a genocidal history. Suggesting there can't be recognition of the most progressive thinking Queen ever, and someone who actually recognised contributions to improving the lives of Indigenous, suggests this movement has no interest in actual reconciliation. It's on a pathway to nowhere.

  • Facepalm 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

History happened and you can't change it, yes we can learn from but part of this is showing respect for others. Sadly this is not the way of going about it.

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

The board is full of lefty idiots more interested in their own virtue signalling. 

I just typed the wittiest one liner (which is why this has been edited), but the word idiots without the ‘s’ is somehow censored on this forum (not a joke), and i’m such an ideological purist that I thought it better to tell that story than to adjust my joke.

Edited by The heart beats true
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    MAULED by Whispering Jack

    The writing was on the wall from the very first bounce of the football. The big men went up, Max Gawn more often than not, decisively won the ruck hit out and invariably a Brisbane Lions onballer either won the battle on the ground or halved the contest and they went at it repeatedly until they finally won out. Melbourne managed the first goal from Alex Neal-Bullen but after that the visitors shut out every area of Demon presence around the ground except in the ruck duels. It was a mauling.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 4

    PREGAME: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    The Demons have a bye next week and have a 13 day break before they return to the MCG on ANZAC Eve to take on the Tigers. Who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 64

    PODCAST: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 15th April @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons loss at the MCG against the Lions in the Round 05. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat LIV

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 11

    VOTES: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    Last week Christian Petracca retook the outright lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Max Gawn, Steven May, Alex Neal-Bullen & Jack Viney. Your votes for the loss against the Lions. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 36

    POSTGAME: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demons 4 game winning streak has come to an end after a disappointing loss against the Brisbane Lions at the MCG going down by 22 points. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 421

    GAMEDAY: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    It's Game Day & Demons have a great opportunity to win their fifth game on the trot and go into the bye with 5 wins and one loss when they take on the Brisbane Lions at the MCG on the Thursday night big stage.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 833

    TRAINING: Wednesday 10th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Demon Dynasty were once again on hand at this morning's Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock to bring you their observations from training. KEV MARTIN'S CAPTAIN'S RUN OBSERVATIONS No-one in rehab this morning, a Captain's run, 26 players. Laurie, Tomlinson, Tholstrup, Chandler, Woey, and Kossie are out there. Rehabbers are out now. Marty, McAdam, Melky, Bowey, Sestan. As a guess for in and outs, I would say, out Laurie, Tomlinson, and W

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    DEMONLAND: Good evening, Demon fans and welcome to the Demonland 2024 Grand Final Podcast … It’s been a beautiful last day of September and how sweet it is to bring you our coverage of all things that matter about the great Demon resurgence which we’ve seen over the past six or seven months. How our team overcame a turbulent off season and a disappointing start to 2024 on a humid night in Sydney, turned our detractors into believers and then ended the year triumphant in the finals with our capta

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews 3

    TRAINING: Sunday 7th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin ventured down in the rain to Gosch's Paddock for the Demon Family Series April School Holiday Open Training session. Not such a good morning, weather wise. As I arrived, it starting raining, settled into watching some Victory players have a kick around. The MFC squad come out as the rain abated, they had wide smiles as the walked down the roped corridor. Plenty of joy from the supporters towards them, kids everywhere, maybe about 500 to a 1000 of us.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 1
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 05

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 05 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 05

  • Match Report      

    MAULED by Whispering Jack

    The writing was on the wall from the very first bounce of the football. The big men went up, Max Gawn more often than not, decisively won the ruck hit out and invariably a Brisbane Lions onballer either won the battle on the ground or halved the contest and they went at it repeatedly until they finally won out ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 12

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demons 4 game winning streak has come to an end after a disappointing loss against the Brisbane Lions at the MCG going down by 22 points ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    Last week Christian Petracca retook the outright lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Max Gawn, Steven May, Alex Neal-Bullen & Jack Viney. Your votes for the loss against the Lions. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

    The Demons have a bye next week and have a 13 day break before they return to the MCG on ANZAC Eve to take on the Tigers. Who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    It's Game Day & the Demons have a great opportunity to win their fifth game on the trot and go into the bye with 5 wins and one loss when they take on the Brisbane Lions at the MCG on the Thursday night big stage ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Training  

    Wednesday, 10th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Demon Dynasty were once again on hand at this morning's Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 10

  • Match Preview      

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Good evening, Demon fans and welcome to the Demonland 2024 Grand Final Podcast … It’s been a beautiful last day of September and how sweet it is to bring you our coverage of all things that matter about the great Demon resurgence which we’ve seen over the past six or seven months ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 09

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 04 vs Adelaide

    The boys analysed win number 2 from 2 in Adelaide against the Crows praising the games of Petracca and McVee, the bravery of May and the emergence of our young guns ... LISTEN

    Demonland | April 09

  • Training  

    Sunday, 7th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin ventured down in the rain to Gosch's Paddock for the Demon Family Series April School Holiday Open Training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 07

  • Training  

    Monday, 1st April 2024

    Our man on the spot Bendigo Demon traveled to Adelaide for our back to back games in the City of Churches and brings you his observations from the Demon's training session at Hisense Stadium ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 01

  • Casey Report      

    FIELD OF DREAMS by KC from Casey

    The sunny skies and still, clear conditions that greeted fans on their arrival created a dreamlike Easter carnival atmosphere for Casey’s game against Footscray at Casey Fields ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 31

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 07

       vs   

    Wednesday 24th April 2024
    @ 07:25pm (MCG)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Daniel Turner Hip Available
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 2-3 Weeks
    Marty Hore Thumb 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 4 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 5-6 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 10-12 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 55
    2 Max Gawn 49
    3 Steven May 34
    4 Alex Neal-Bullen 27
    5 Jack Viney 24
    6 Clayton Oliver 22
    7 Bayley Fritsch 19
    8 Judd McVee 15
    9 Christian Salem 12
    10 Blake Howes 11

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...