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On 10/27/2022 at 5:00 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah maybe.

I just don't rate Jefferson all that highly at all. Yet all information seem to lead us to taking him of available. 

I reckon nobody knows who we’re taking, we really don’t leak and in the years we took Oliver and Jackson it was really only in the last 10 or so days leading up to the draft they started to link us with both those boys. All along in Oliver’s year they thought we would take Parish, and in Jackson’s year it was all about us filling needs for a small forward and rebounding defender with the experts in the lead up having us go for players from Young, Ash, Serong and Weightman. The mail on Jackson and Kossie came late

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1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’d put this down as more of a rumour than strong mail but the latest I’ve heard is:

- We have identified a target early in the draft. We’d absolutely love them to fall to 13 but given thats unlikely we’ll attempt to trade up for them.

- But, as it stands it’s more likely we can’t get them and then we’ll trade down the order as it’s a pretty even crop later in the first round.

No mail on how much we’d be willing to trade to get up the order but I’d expect we’d pay market value to get to a pick 6-9 range. Have to imagine a future first is involved 

Not sure how far we’d go backwards either, I think we’d want to stay top 25. 

It’s Ginbey, but I understand Suns and Hawthorn have come into the picture for him, so now it isn’t just about getting in front of West Coast 

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1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

It’s Ginbey, but I understand Suns and Hawthorn have come into the picture for him, so now it isn’t just about getting in front of West Coast 

Sounds like Gold Coast are locked in with Ginbey at pick 5 (6 after Ashcroft) as he's seen as the prospect with the least go home factor for them. 

If that rumour is true I wonder if it's Tsatas we're targeting with rumoured speculation of him sliding. Would make sense his outside midfield nature would compliment our inside bulls very well.

If we were to move back I'd be okay with it if we were able to nab George. I wouldn't be against taking George with 13 as it is a similar outlook to Jefferson anyway with likely not playing next year. George just looks like that game changer who could become anything, a potential mid/fwd swing with Trac could be devastating. Jefferson's lack of physicality in marking contests and in general really worries me.

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On 10/23/2022 at 5:48 PM, Elwood 3184 said:

Not sure how you define “chonky” but I recall one Luke Hodge who fitted that description when he was drafted and I reckon it didn’t do him any harm (although he did tone his body a bit once he got into the AFL).

What's "Chonky" a new age term for chunky? Or a misspelling? 

Clearly most recruiters can separate unfit/ overweight  to well built physically. If they can't shouldn't be in those positions of Trust! 

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5 hours ago, 58er said:

What's "Chonky" a new age term for chunky? Or a misspelling? 

Clearly most recruiters can separate unfit/ overweight  to well built physically. If they can't shouldn't be in those positions of Trust! 

My daughter assured me the modern term is "chonky". 

At 185/87 I'm not implying George is fat.  He's likely muscle bound at a young age and that would give him a big advantage in U18 that may not translate.

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Best available at 13. If its Jefferson then we pick him.  He may be gone by then.

We have 2 firsts and 2 2nds next year so there might be a youngish KPF  interested in changing teams. We are a good side and able to attract KPP's.

Or a KPF identified as becoming a UFA next year or 2 or 3?

Alternatively if we think Harry P can play forward to a high level and we rate Hayes as a CHB at 13 or maybe Busslinger is available.

Maybe we rate a player like Georges as a forward/mid at 13??

I expect we will be very active in the 2023 trade and draft period.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 10/29/2022 at 6:49 PM, manny100 said:

Best available at 13. If its Jefferson then we pick him.  He may be gone by then.

We have 2 firsts and 2 2nds next year so there might be a youngish KPF  interested in changing teams. We are a good side and able to attract KPP's.

Or a KPF identified as becoming a UFA next year or 2 or 3?

Alternatively if we think Harry P can play forward to a high level and we rate Hayes as a CHB at 13 or maybe Busslinger is available.

Maybe we rate a player like Georges as a forward/mid at 13??

I expect we will be very active in the 2023 trade and draft period.

 


I also think we’ll be active next year and targeted in trading to get the targets we are set on. It’s worth noting that along with our first & second picks next year, and those of Freo, we’ll also have our futures available, so possibly 3x firsts & 2x second picks for trade to climb the order. I think we actively try to use next years pick now, but I think this year in particular is maybe a bad year to do it.

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9 hours ago, Mach5 said:


I also think we’ll be active next year and targeted in trading to get the targets we are set on. It’s worth noting that along with our first & second picks next year, and those of Freo, we’ll also have our futures available, so possibly 3x firsts & 2x second picks for trade to climb the order. I think we actively try to use next years pick now, but I think this year in particular is maybe a bad year to do it.

Also, don't want to come across as a debbie downer but if Kozzie Pickett does indeed head back to SA then that's another first rounder in the bank, possibly two.

 

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9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Also, don't want to come across as a debbie downer but if Kozzie Pickett does indeed head back to SA then that's another first rounder in the bank, possibly two.

 

It’d want to be more than just a first rounder! But agree. We could be hitting the draft hard... at just the right time?

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Every year someone leaves and we get trade options. That's why I'd be moving up in this year's draft buy trading out at least one of next year's firsts. You want new draftees to be playing as long as possible with our current all stars. Next year is an unnecessary year later imo. 

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2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Every year someone leaves and we get trade options. That's why I'd be moving up in this year's draft buy trading out at least one of next year's firsts. You want new draftees to be playing as long as possible with our current all stars. Next year is an unnecessary year later imo. 


There’s no point burning a future pick if it only lets us have the choice between Lucas Cook & Brock McLean.

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I was looking through past phantom form guides by Cal, and came across the November one, which features Dogga at 11, Rivers at 23, and Pickett at 30.

Considering we haven’t even reached Cal’s November phantom form guide this year, it just really shows how unpredictable drafting can be.

And yes, I am aware Cal isn’t predicting who will go where, I just found it interesting.

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/308766/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-november-update

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On 11/1/2022 at 8:22 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Also, don't want to come across as a debbie downer but if Kozzie Pickett does indeed head back to SA then that's another first rounder in the bank, possibly two.

 

Port don't have a first round pick for next year, would have to be future first, but that would have them trading out 3 years worth of first round picks and not sure how that goes with the AFL rules??? Hypothetically speaking.

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On 11/1/2022 at 6:54 PM, Roost it far said:

If he's not signed between now and very early next season then you'd have to assume he's gone, which would be incredibly sad

Thinking about it makes me very sad

Worst part is we wouldn't get more than a mid to late first rounder - he's criminally underrated outside of Melbourne fans given his output at his age attitude and star factor

Oh it's so sad to think about 

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If we can't get a player we want at 13 or are unable to trade up for said player, I have come round to the thought of trading out our first this year.

I wonder if Essendon might be a willing partner. Bombers have Davey as a f/s that may receive a bid before their 2nd pick at 22. The two main options they have will be to trade up to get ahead of the bid, or down to accrue more points to match.

Say we trade pick 13 and 37 to them with 37 helping them with points to match a bid for davey. In return we get pick 22, 54 (likely to come into mid 40's) and a future 1st. 

In summary they end up with 3 first round picks (4, 13 and Davey) this year. We move 13 to 22 and get a future 1st (likely pick 5 - 10) giving us 3 first rounders for next year. Wishful thinking? Too generous?

 

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9 hours ago, Nascent said:

If we can't get a player we want at 13 or are unable to trade up for said player, I have come round to the thought of trading out our first this year.

I wonder if Essendon might be a willing partner. Bombers have Davey as a f/s that may receive a bid before their 2nd pick at 22. The two main options they have will be to trade up to get ahead of the bid, or down to accrue more points to match.

Say we trade pick 13 and 37 to them with 37 helping them with points to match a bid for davey. In return we get pick 22, 54 (likely to come into mid 40's) and a future 1st. 

In summary they end up with 3 first round picks (4, 13 and Davey) this year. We move 13 to 22 and get a future 1st (likely pick 5 - 10) giving us 3 first rounders for next year. Wishful thinking? Too generous?

 

I doubt very much that Essendon will give us F1st (5-10) + 22 + 54 for 13 + 37. It's bad for them at every point.

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10 hours ago, Nascent said:

If we can't get a player we want at 13 or are unable to trade up for said player, I have come round to the thought of trading out our first this year.

I wonder if Essendon might be a willing partner. Bombers have Davey as a f/s that may receive a bid before their 2nd pick at 22. The two main options they have will be to trade up to get ahead of the bid, or down to accrue more points to match.

Say we trade pick 13 and 37 to them with 37 helping them with points to match a bid for davey. In return we get pick 22, 54 (likely to come into mid 40's) and a future 1st. 

In summary they end up with 3 first round picks (4, 13 and Davey) this year. We move 13 to 22 and get a future 1st (likely pick 5 - 10) giving us 3 first rounders for next year. Wishful thinking? Too generous?

 

dont think the dons do that based on where they finish next year itll be a top 5 pick

the swans have 14 and 17 so we could slide back to 17 from them maybe for a second round pick?

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