Jump to content

  • Podcast:  

  • Podcast: 2022 Season Review & Trade Wrap 

POSTGAME: SF vs Brisbane


Demonland
 Share


Recommended Posts

I love the guy and he'll always be a premiership player at Melbourne, but realistically, Ben Brown should never play for us again. His body and confidence are completely shot. 

Edited by Demon Jack
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am worrying that Goodwin is going the way of Ross Lyon. Lyon unlucky not to get a flag but burned out both Saints and Freo quickly due to his inflexible game style and playing same favourite players with no regeneration. 

Edited by John Crow Batty
  • Like 3
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


10 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

The DARE has been deliberately coached out of the side. It is forbidden, not part of our game plan. The side has been drilled to relentlessly play the defensive percentages, kick down the line for Max to mark or knock it out and set up for the throw in and repeat. Kick long to the fwd pocket basically to get an out of bounds again, then hope for a goal from the throw in. It mostly works but not against the best sides who read what we are doing and start to congregate around where they know the ball is going then intercept and run and take risks to get the ball forward quickly with low passes into their fwd 50. 

Agree 100% Such a boring style of footy. Makes me angry AF!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was really hoping for everyone that couldn’t get to the GF last year in Perf would be able to get to see one this year. 
 

We need to fix our offence something fierce otherwise this window will be wasted. 
Another couple of years will see the likes of Gawn and May in particular finished and that will leave a gaping hole to fill. 

Let’s go and get ourselves a big hulking forward rather than the flimsy vegan and mid size ones we have and we’ll be set. 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ok here we go. It's been 3 hours, enough time to get all the crap out of our system.

Edit: Fell asleep and only just posted now.

It was approximately 1 week and 6 hours ago that we were on the eve of a finals series with our flag hopes still relatively high. Oh, how, the, mighty, have, fallen!

10-0 to start the season, top 4 for a lot of the year, top 2 for a lot of the year and have bowed out in straight sets. There's no way around it, this is crap. Injuries took their toll, we were behind the 8 ball when guys like Lever played the whole year through the pain barrier. 

Still can't get the head around it, it's a joke. The loading theory is dead, we wasted so much time talking about it and come finals time we looked like pi** fitness wise. Running on top of the ground my foot, what a let down. 

All the people last week who celebrated when Brisbane won because it meant we had a 'guaranteed prelim' hang your heads in shame. Nothing more that you can say on that but you gotta wear that. 

Very hard to summarise the feeling right now. Third top 4 finish under a top 8 system and we've managed to tick off the straight sets exit off the bucket list. Yay. Nothing more to add right now. 

Edited by layzie
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Brownie said:

Gus came to life as soon as he was released from Tagging Neale which was handed to Sparrow IN THE LAST QUARTER.

Goody seems stubborn or too scared to make the changes when he should. Probably both I guess

Gus should never have been on Neale for more than a quarter or so.  Sparrow and/or Harmes for mine.

As ive harped on for weeks.... Gus shouldve been returned to his 2021 premiership winning position of Wing/HF after the first few games in the middle where it was clear (within about three weeks of the experiment) that it was a one trick pony and failing the team.

Dunstan was a must in for Sparrow for mine as well.  Been in ripping form at Casey of late.

It was also clear by half time last night that Rivers was cooked.  Goody refused to swing the medi sub axe and bring Smith on as he as done all season, at the detriment of the team and club.  You need to bend and tweak every rule you can as a coach wherever possible.  Goody needs to stop talking the RUTHLESS talk and start walking it himself.  And not just in this example, needs to stop playing faourites and base more of his changes on blocks of form, rewarding those at Casey who deserve it and asking more from anyone in the 22 who needs the break to work on specific issues etc.

Season 2022 will be remembered as a Massive Opportunity Lost for this club.

Last night's result was nothing less than atrocious.

  • Like 6
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, BAMF said:

I agree. I would have liked to see some more youth earlier in the year but there isn't anyone on the list who wasn't playing tonight who would have changed the result.

Yep, wouldn't necessarily change the result but it would hopefully build depth and experience in the footy club overall which is equally important.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, mo64 said:

I have a theory, and I don't think that fitness levels has anything to do with it. 

Our game plan revolves around winning contests and locking the ball into our forward 50. It requires an enormous amount of effort on the part of the mids and the forwards. With the talent we have, we build up a sizeable lead and yet invariably concede late goals before half time. The scoreboard at half time rarely reflects our dominance.

At half time Goody addresses the players and tells them that we have the game on our terms. The opposition coaches of better sides will tell their players that it's impossible for Melbourne to continue at that intensity, and a 3-4 goal deficit is not insurmountable.

Once the opposition get within a goal or two in the second half, it's almost game over. But I think it's more psychological than physical. 

I honestly believe that our players are not fully invested in our negative game plan, because they are not getting scoreboard reward for effort. Once that opposition have neutralised the game around the contests and the scoreboard, it all becomes too hard for our players to go again.

The players have an ego/arrogance after winning last years flag. But they're coached to defend rather than show their talents. I think the players have lost the motivation to grind a game for 120 minutes on the back of the 2021 flag.

Coaches like Paul Roos and Ross Lyon have limited shelf life at one club. Their game plans are too mentally gruelling on the players. If Goodwin wants a long tenure at the Dees, he needs to look at John Longmire, who's evolved from a negative coach to a positive coach. He's weeded out the "try hards" from the team, and replaced them with skilful players who also give effort. 

And after listening to all of the Burgess/Brukner podcasts in that last off-season, Burgo's role in the mental side of the game cannot be understated.

This is Chaplin’s defensive scheme: the Demon Web.

Goodwin is a players coach. Now they can change tactics and go with the wind there BUT they stick to players for years past their ‘use by’ date because the economy isn’t built around performance, it’s built around commitment and that can also be a problem that needs to managed and reigned in.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

1. Fitness

2. No forward connection 

 

Both are coaching issues

Agreed but I think injury has played a big part too. Can’t see how fitness falls away so badly without injury playing a part. 

  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This might be pop psychology but I do wonder whether confidence did morph into hubris this year.

Lingers’ pot shot at Collingwood, Maysie’s sledging of team mates, going to sleep with decent (but reversible) leads in the bank, and talk of winning one on the MCG in front of our fans before a ball was kicked in anger to me were worrying signs. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Lets keep this very direct and too the point, numerous posters have laid it bare and it rings true. We paid the price for not rewarding the Casey players form this year.

Players were playing injured throughout the year and not properly rested and rehabed.

In game tactical manoeuvres were not executed, our F50 connection absolutely non existent, generally utter rubbish really.

The only positive this year has been Casey.

The MFC has failed miserably this year and the Coaches and Fitness Department have to accept what they have coming to them.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

i would like to nominate myself as our new forward coach at half the price of the current guy, how hard is it to say kick it long into the pocket. Job done and i can even do that from home.   I cannot recall when we last played 4 quarters of football, even last year we had handy leads to see them evaporate and opposition take the lead, but our 3rd quarters were some of our best football, gawn/Jackson to oliver or trac, who would either handpass to each other or boot long and reasonably direct into an open forward line. i dont recall too many of those chains in the last few months. Even when we beat the lions last time we lost the last quarter by a lot. we seem to take our foot of the pedal,  but last year and even earlier this year we were able to reassert ourselves, this latter half of the year we just seem to stop. what has been our biggest winning margin compared to other sides. We have a massive number of inside 50's so we cannot say we are purely defensive we have lots of chances but our forward approach is crap. BBB is a goal kicker but not able to take a mark in a pack of 6 or more. one on one or leading is his strength, we are trying to make him play our kick to the forward pocket game, that is not his style or how to get value out of him. We have too may players who move the ball on too slowly. Sparrow for one constantly gets the ball and ignores simple short passes to open players, he instead holds up play and eventually kicks long down the line. not great football.  though i must admit some of our short passing has been pretty poor. Goody unfortunately does not seem to like to change things, does not change our playing style, does not change players even when they are not playing well, does not make a lot of changes in a game to change their flow. We have a brief window of opportunity with the great playing group we have and new players coming through if Goody does not learn to manage change better then we will miss that window of opportunity.

  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

I love the guy and he'll always be a premiership player at Melbourne, but realistically, Ben Brown should never play for us again. His body and confidence are completely shot. 

I beg to differ, In his "Golden Years" at North he had Larkey a 198 cm 45 goal + CHF as his foil, and at his best matches at Melbourne he had TMac. Ben is not a pack marking CHF and needs another big body to take some heat. Who has he had this year? ANB, Jake, Spargo, Kozzie, Fritz, and more recently sometimes Max. We are so underdone in height in the forward half- given our game plan is to simply "bomb it to packs"

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyone know whether Goody has said Tmac would have been good to go next week or whether is playing today for certain?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I was really hoping for everyone that couldn’t get to the GF last year in Perf would be able to get to see one this year. 
 

We need to fix our offence something fierce otherwise this window will be wasted. 
Another couple of years will see the likes of Gawn and May in particular finished and that will leave a gaping hole to fill. 

Let’s go and get ourselves a big hulking forward rather than the flimsy vegan and mid size ones we have and we’ll be set. 

Ben’s diet literally has nothing to do with it

 

google vegan atheletes

 

 

  • Thanks 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 minute ago, willmoy said:

Anyone know whether Goody has said Tmac would have been good to go next week or whether is playing today for certain?

Playing today and assuming a good game would have most likely been picked for next week 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The most disappointing part of this was that it was totally foreseeable and has been a pattern all year

 

let us see what lessons we learn from this year

 

 

like I said though , Brisbanes odds were ludicrously generous so the financial emotional hedge is something one supposes 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Anyone know whether Goody has said Tmac would have been good to go next week or whether is playing today for certain?

As there's no next week i doubt they'd risk him today Willmoy.  Maybe in the GF if we get through but even then.  I could be wrong though and he might wanna be part of it and be sticking his hands up.

Edited by Demon Dynasty
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Reason we lost- the following players are not right. I would say not even 90%

Trac

Gawn

Brown

Salem

Lever

you cannot replace these players. We are playing essentially without a single key forward

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Losing every game in almost identical fashion indicates to me that the opposition are not better teams but is because of our inflexible game plan and tactics. The better opposition clubs as well as lesser clubs despite their differing game styles and talent bespoke tailored their game to implement virtually identical strategy and tactics. It’s like there is a handbook out there on how to beat Melbourne. Just tick off the boxes. Our coaching staff paralysed by their own over confidence and hubris. 

Edited by John Crow Batty
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Reason we lost- the following players are not right. I would say not even 90%

Trac

Gawn

Brown

Salem

Lever

you cannot replace these players. We are playing essentially without a single key forward

Id add Jackson, Fritta and Kozzie to that list

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    EYES ON THE PRIZE by Meggs

    The Stinear/Pearce partnership has evolved over the 7 AFLW seasons and they have built a team with talented, committed footballers who play for each other and execute a highly entertaining brand of footy. On Sunday can a premiership be added to this legacy? This may well be the last time we see Daisy in the mighty red and blue as she contemplates her start date for a coaching role ‘Down at Kardinia Park’.  Last week’s sensational sealer in the Prelim showed everybody that Daisy could s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    DAISY’S DEMON DRIVE by Meggs

    On a blustery Saturday afternoon when the conditions affected marking skills and the ball bounced unpredictably, the Mighty Dees stuck fat against a determined Kangaroos outfit to break away with two final quarter goals to none to win AFLW Preliminary Final 2 by 17 points — an all-time high winning margin between these two teams.  From the outset it was a fiercely fought contest with Melbourne unable to find the ball in space. North really amped up their one-percenters an

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    NOT A MOMENT TO MISS by Meggs

    The AFLW Season 7 fixture was carefully crafted to purposely handicap the better teams and give the expansion and developing sides an easier draw.  Nonetheless, this weekend’s Preliminary Finals will showcase the Lions, Demons, Crows and Roos, teams widely accepted as the best 4 in the competition.   In Friday night’s Prelim 1 the minor premiers, Brisbane, will start warm favourites at home against Adelaide.   On Saturday afternoon at Ikon Park, Prelim 2 between Melbourne and North is

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    STICK TO YOUR GUNS by Meggs

    The Dees convincingly overcome the fast-starting reigning-premiers Adelaide to win by 21 points in a fiery Qualifying Final match at Ikon Park on Friday evening.     In that first quarter Adelaide jumped out of the blocks kicking their first goal inside 20 seconds finishing with 3 goals to nil. All was quiet at Ikon Park.     Melbourne, having easily outplayed lesser opponents over the past six weeks took time to ratchet up their intensity.  But, by mid to late first quarter, the Dees be

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    HEAVYWEIGHTS by Meggs

    AFLW heavyweights Melbourne and Adelaide kick off the AFLW Season 7 Final Series with a massive Qualifying Final clash at Ikon Park this Friday night at 7:10pm.  The game promises to be a cracker.   Last season’s Grand Final combatants last met in Round 1where Melbourne came away with a strong 18-point victory at Glenelg Oval. The Dees will be hoping to replicate the result and move directly to the Preliminary Final.    While Adelaide may not have been as intimidating this season as in p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    MISSED IT BY THAT MUCH by Meggs

    Congratulations to Daisy’s Dees on a huge 78-point one-sided win against West Coast in challenging windy and wet conditions at Casey Fields.     The banner celebrating Sarah Lampard’s 50 games was a victim of the wind, but nonetheless Lampy received a warm round of applause from the parochial crowd in attendance.   Melbourne has the double-chance and is excited about its chances in the Season 7 AFLW finals. If this means the Grand Final is played at Metricon and the Demond make it, then

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    LIVE IN THE MOMENT by Meggs

    The final home and away match of Season 7, sees the mighty Dees at Fortress Casey hosting the 16th placed West Coast.     A win assures the Dees of a Top-2 finish, with the ultimate placings dependent upon the previous night’s result between Brisbane and Collingwood and the relative percentages.   As our match is anticipated to be one-sided, interest may turn to monitoring the live ladder to see whether or not Melbourne has secured the minor premiership.     The Demons (Lions and Cro

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    BOMBED by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne has all but assured itself of a top two finish to the (second) 2022 AFLW season after crushing Essendon by 41 points on Sunday. It now holds a four point lead over third placed Adelaide along with a handy percentage advantage with one round remaining before the finals. The Demons opened kicking with the advantage of the squally wind that often prevails at Casey Fields and for the third week in a row, they kept their opponents scoreless in the opening term. Speedster Alyssa Ba

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    DAISY DOES IT by Whispering Jack

    The Gold Coast has been treated to a feast of womens football over the past couple of days. On Friday night, the Brisbane Lions claimed flag favouritism when they knocked the Adelaide Crows off their second placed perch at Metricon Stadium. Then on Saturday evening at the same venue, the Melbourne Demons consolidated their hold on that vacated second spot when, they ruthlessly smashed a finals contender in consecutive weeks, this time the home town favourites, the Suns.    It was a case

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...