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11 minutes ago, KysaiahMessiah said:

Is the AFL a multimillion dollar business, yes, do they optimise outcomes to grow their business, probably, yes. But "corruption" accusations seem to come from those directly affected in a particular instance.  Carlton fans were crying corruption when Cripps was suspended, now they're mocking those with a corruption take because he got off.  

The Cripps exoneration is bizzare, based on many examples of what we have seen this year.  But corrupt, nah.  We see what we want to see sometimes.

When you see a pattern of behaviour indicating the AFL is more concerned with commercialization (and the accompanying fat salaries for execs) than running a fair competition, then corruption does not seem too strong a word to me.

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What an appalling application of the law of natural justice. This was sports' tribunal, not the High Court of Australia. Too many lawyers on the panel.

The concept of natural justice has been dragged through the mud and forever will be a blight on the AFL who should immediately seek to appeal to the courts.

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9 minutes ago, sue said:

When you see a pattern of behaviour indicating the AFL is more concerned with commercialization (and the accompanying fat salaries for execs) than running a fair competition, then corruption does not seem too strong a word to me.

It is a business, and a very big one.  Commercialisation is part and parcel. The AFL has big salaries for those at the top, just like any other big business.  Don't get me wrong,  I'm as angry and as flabbergasted as anyone about some issues in the game.  I just don't see all decisions I don't agree with as evidence of corruption.  

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29 minutes ago, KysaiahMessiah said:

It is a business, and a very big one.  Commercialisation is part and parcel. The AFL has big salaries for those at the top, just like any other big business.  Don't get me wrong,  I'm as angry and as flabbergasted as anyone about some issues in the game.  I just don't see all decisions I don't agree with as evidence of corruption.  

Nor do I.  But fundamentally I expect sport to be conducted in a fair manner.  It should be possible to do so and be commercial at the same time.  When commercial interests override fair play, then I call it corruption.  Not neccessarily brown envelope corruption, but corrupton of the sport nevertherless.

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Easily solution, get Hunt to break his leg again like 2017.

Also why the [censored] are lawyers involved when it is simply a question of:

  • Did Cripps contest the ball or,
  • Did Cripps leave the ground and knock a bloke out?

Nobody at the MRO or Tribunal should keep their jobs, the whole thing needs a reset, regardless of the outcome of last night.

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I will tell you what I am really angry about, playing the Cats at Geelong, 28 times in the last 30 years, while Carlton, Essendon, Richmond, Collingwood and probably Hawthorn, haven’t seen the place.

I won’t even touch on the fact that Cats played Roos and Eagles twice this year and finished the season hardly leaving their home ground.

I agree with Jaded No More, if Dees weren’t around, I wouldn’t watch footy anymore. It’s so far off a level playing field it’s not sport anymore, just another business, with all the dirty things that go with big business.

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Play the rules then ... and stretch it to the limit

Our players should not be too concerned with contact to the head of an opposition player on Saturday night (apart from striking with a fist)

Get reported for high contact via a bump, go to the tribunal then take it further to the appeals tribunal then go even further like we've seen in GF week. 

For fringe players as well.  Put the league to the test

Striking offences aside, all contact to the head via the bump could now be argued as incidental or 'In the contest' ... as long as the ball is in the vicinity

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2 hours ago, KysaiahMessiah said:

On a side note, Jack Martin was subbed last week, playing this week.  Carlton cheat the system, make no mistake about it.  Destroy them dees!

Hoskin-Elliot subbed out last week against us is playing this weekend as well.

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2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

It was a pure football action gone wrong. There was 0 intention and if his name was not Chandler but, I dunno, Dusty, he walks away free. 

And this is why we should have appealed. Because bigger names have gotten away with a lot worse, but we don't have the balls as a club to protect our players and fight for them.

I just hope that if Trac or Clarry are in this situation, we take it all the way. Somehow I suspect we won't. 

I agree there was a handicap because he isn’t kissed on the you know what like a Cotchin or Martin.

Regarding the action, it was a very unfortunate movement and tackle, and ultimately knocked the player out. There is a reason why we haven’t seen a similar situation like this…

I agree we should have appealed it, albeit from my view to a lesser suspension.

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17 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Hoskin-Elliot subbed out last week against us is playing this weekend as well.

Maybe time we exploited the rule too.  Bring a fresh Harmes on in the second half for a tiring ANB or Sparrow etc, or are we too nice ?

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1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Who allowed this Corruption?

The media.  Its the same  o/seas. The media is owned by corporations and billionaires.They love the elite. AFL CEO tricky Gil is god.The media will never use the word  'corrupt. ' AFL can do as they please and spend  money without being accountable.  The tribunal system is set up to assist the elite clubs ie Carlton.

The next CEO will be just as awful no doubt. The media will adhore him.

 

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16 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

I agree there was a handicap because he isn’t kissed on the you know what like a Cotchin or Martin.

Regarding the action, it was a very unfortunate movement and tackle, and ultimately knocked the player out. There is a reason why we haven’t seen a similar situation like this…

I agree we should have appealed it, albeit from my view to a lesser suspension.

The AFL hypocrites with double standards? Surely not😉

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1 hour ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

God forbid, but if Ah Chee has lingering concussion symptoms as a result of this action, then the AFL better lawyer up some more.  Seeking compensation for damages would seem to have merit if that is the case.

Absolutely.  Saying to players that this elbow to the back of the head is allowed and acceptable is clearly creating an unsafe working environment that will lead to brain damage and other concussion related issues. The AFL will try to distance themselves saying we said it was 2 weeks but then this external tribunal deemed it fair.  Irrelevant I say as the system is created and maintained by the AFL with clear overall accountability.

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40 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Disgusting. First he is knocked out and then abused.  I need to brace myself for tomorrow night and these feral blues fans. I hope we smash the [censored]!

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2 hours ago, KysaiahMessiah said:

Is the AFL a multimillion dollar business, yes, do they optimise outcomes to grow their business, probably, yes. But "corruption" accusations seem to come from those directly affected in a particular instance.  Carlton fans were crying corruption when Cripps was suspended, now they're mocking those with a corruption take because he got off.  

The Cripps exoneration is bizzare, based on many examples of what we have seen this year.  But corrupt, nah.  We see what we want to see sometimes.

The book “the boys club” by Michael Warner was illuminating in understanding how the afl is run. I left that book with little doubt the afl has been taken over by a mafia esque executive branch who operate with impunity. They protect their own and make rules on the go. One book can’t tell the whole story obviously but it was damning. It seems most who come from other areas to deal with the afl are often left shocked by the way they run their show. They take advantage of the fact people are helplessly addicted to the game and will always fork over their hard earned for their beloved club. 

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3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Break some bones Demons

It’s Carlscum 

Jordy Lewis to give the pre game talk?  remember that game a few years back?  him and hogan I think got suspended?

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4 hours ago, BDA said:

And what was all that bollocks about denial of natural justice. Does Cripps think he’s Julian Assange?

4 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

Cripps' counsel, Christopher Townshend QC, argued there was "a denial of natural justice"

Ah Chee didn't get too much natural justice

Natural justice is when a player in a sporting competition does something that the controlling body says you shouldn't do, injures his opponent, and gets suspended for it.

Of course, all the lawyers involved might think it's natural justice to get paid very handsome pocket money to blather on for hours splitting legal hairs when they would otherwise have been home watching The Block or MKR. 

 

4 hours ago, poita said:

This was opinion shopping by Carlton, nothing more. It was a disgrace that the AFL allowed them to appeal, and even more disgraceful that the appeals board spent more than four hours hearing and then making an incorrect decision. The system is broken if clubs can keep on appealing at no cost.

Yes. How did the AFL let their sporting tribunal turn into a legal busman's holiday, where a simple incident where one bloke flattening another bloke leads to 4 and a half hours of legal minutiae hairsplitting?

It's a sporting tribunal that somehow got hijacked by the legal profession.

 

4 hours ago, sue said:

So Daisy P says: “I still watch that contest and think it’s still a footy contest with an unfortunate outcome.”

In times gone by, that would be right. Except the AFL have decreed that head high contact puts the onus on the player who initiated it. The unfortunate outcome is the point these days, not the original contest.

 

3 hours ago, sue said:

There's no need to wonder. Clear as day that the AFL is fundamentally corrupt. Whetver you think of the origianal decisions, the 5 hour saga last night smelt.

2 hours ago, KysaiahMessiah said:

The Cripps exoneration is bizzare, based on many examples of what we have seen this year.  But corrupt, nah.  We see what we want to see sometimes.

Corrupt not in the sense of cops taking money to look the other way, or someone burning down their pub for an insurance payout.

Corrupt in the sense of damaged, impure, degraded. The AFL is absolutely corrupt. Some other examples given in the last few pages of this thread.

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