PODCAST: Rd 21 vs Collingwood

[adonski 9,123]

4 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Is Jordon still a lock for that wing? While I'm unable to assess his running patterns, space holding and km's run from a watchafl subscription, I found his reaction time with the ball in hand lethargic and slow paced. I did not think he was manic or 'surging' enough with his disposal which in turn meant worse entries forward., It may have been to do with Collingwoods pressure though. But harking back to the question: Is Jordon still a lock on that wing, or can do we want to bring anyone else in/ make positional changes again: like Harmes returning to the middle, Gus to the Wing, Hunt or Bowey in defence etc

Had a great first half of the year but output has dropped off significantly since his knee concern

I'll like to see bowey on the wing, don't like the odds tho 

[Demonland 64,657]

@Stu @Graeme Yeats' Mullet @Travy14 @John Demonic

I'll try and fit your questions in. We have a lot to get through.

If @binman can be brief with his answers you might get a look in. 😜

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,276]

1 minute ago, Demonland said:

@Stu @Graeme Yeats' Mullet @Travy14 @John Demonic

I'll try and fit your questions in. We have a lot to get through.

If @binman can be brief with his answers you might get a look in. 😜

Go your hardest!

[Demonland 64,657]

Thank you to all our posters/listeners who provided questions and comments.

Thank you @Wells 11 @Dr. Gonzo @At the break of Gawn @1964_2 @pewpewpew @Royal Demon @layzie @Lefty @Rascability @YesitwasaWin4theAges @BillyBeane @DemonWA @RedsoxMan @raDeelaide @BigMacjnr @ElDiablo14

Thank you to Andrew H & Tristan F for your messages on our Facebook Page

Thank you to Noah from Brighton for the voicemail

Thank you to all of our listeners and thank you to @binman & @george_on_the_outer

[binman 37,910]

Thank your mother for the rabbits.

[raDeelaide 214]

10 hours ago, Demonland said:

Thank you to all our posters/listeners who provided questions and comments.

Thank you @Wells 11 @Dr. Gonzo @At the break of Gawn @1964_2 @pewpewpew @Royal Demon @layzie @Lefty @Rascability @YesitwasaWin4theAges @BillyBeane @DemonWA @RedsoxMan @raDeelaide @BigMacjnr @ElDiablo14

Thank you to Andrew H & Tristan F for your messages on our Facebook Page

Thank you to Noah from Brighton for the voicemail

Thank you to all of our listeners and thank you to @binman & @george_on_the_outer

Thank you for reading out my question and answering it and pointing me to the thread on the fadeouts.

Hopefully we turn it around.

[Gouga 496]

Really enjoyed listening to the podcast. My favourite bit was being reminded about how Geelong may once again fade in the finals with aging bodies away from GMHBA Stadium... 

Question for @binman - why are you so convinced we are going at 75% and on the way up? I took from Goody's comments a few weeks ago we were about to hit our straps. Could it be we are closer to our peak for the year, and it is simply not as high a level as we got to last year?  

 

 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,342]

Methinks @binmanwould be sweating on the team selection this week. In particular, he’d be hoping Harmesy is picked. Not sure if anyone else heard his declaration of what he’ll do if no Harmesy. But I did. 😁

[binman 37,910]

21 minutes ago, Gouga said:

Really enjoyed listening to the podcast. My favourite bit was being reminded about how Geelong may once again fade in the finals with aging bodies away from GMHBA Stadium... 

Question for @binman - why are you so convinced we are going at 75% and on the way up? I took from Goody's comments a few weeks ago we were about to hit our straps. Could it be we are closer to our peak for the year, and it is simply not as high a level as we got to last year?  

 

 

The goal of their training program is to peak on preliminary final day or grand final day.

That is still seven weeks away ans it would not be possible to maintain peak physical readiness for that long.

[layzie 28,660]

I guess the moral of the story is we spend most of the season below peak condition 😛

[Gouga 496]

1 hour ago, binman said:

The goal of their training program is to peak on preliminary final day or grand final day.

That is still seven weeks away ans it would not be possible to maintain peak physical readiness for that long.

Bold play to peak a week after we are eliminated in straight sets...

(joke - hope you are right and we improve from here)

Edited August 9, 2022 by Gouga

[binman 37,910]

52 minutes ago, Gouga said:

Bold play to peak a week after we are eliminated in straight sets...

(joke - hope you are right and we improve from here)

If we don't make top 4 might go out after only one set.

The thought just made my head spin!

[Clintosaurus 6,421]

@binmanwe are now $4 to win the flag. Time to load up?

[Demonland 64,657]

10 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

@binmanwe are now $4 to win the flag. Time to load up?

It was all part of @binman's plan.

[binman 37,910]

8 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

@binmanwe are now $4 to win the flag. Time to load up?

Invested pretty heavily already at 3.75. 

So 4s not that attractive.

Even a super impressive win against the blues won't move it under $4 I suspect. 

 

[Bitter but optimistic 21,232]

35 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

@binmanwe are now $4 to win the flag. Time to load up?

I took it today on Sportsbet Clinto .

[DemonWA 3,432]

3 hours ago, binman said:

The goal of their training program is to peak on preliminary final day or grand final day.

That is still seven weeks away ans it would not be possible to maintain peak physical readiness for that long.

I try to follow the logic but I can't fathom being 25% away from peak performance.  5-10% sure, but I just can't accept 75% being a realistic number to put out there for round 20.  I would say even at the most 'loaded' stage of the season we'd struggle to be a full 25% off the pace. 

I think trying to play our press AND counter the run and gun style of the Pies is a different beast to what we train. I also think the teams that play the super fast game styles may go into their shells and/or [censored] the bed when the stakes are as high as they will be  when elimination finals come around. We need to stick with our method.

Not related, but loved George's views on the Cats. Would love that to be the case also, but fear they're as good this year as they have been for a very long time

 

[Engorged Onion 9,254]

6 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

loved George's views on the Cats.

Could you summarise?

[DemonWA 3,432]

36 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Could you summarise?

Basically they will not win a final (or do much damage) because they're playing a game style that is suited to GMHBA and not the 'G and they're old

Edited August 9, 2022 by DemonWA
Added age haha

[Dr. Gonzo 22,412]

3 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

Basically they will not win a final (or do much damage) because they're playing a game style that is suited to GMHBA and not the 'G and they're old

Their record at the G this year is 4-1. I think it's wishful thinking that they'll just roll over again, they are playing very good footy and the additions of De Koning and Stengle have been great for them

[DemonWA 3,432]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Their record at the G this year is 4-1. I think it's wishful thinking that they'll just roll over again, they are playing very good footy and the additions of De Koning and Stengle have been great for them

I agree. But Georges comments made me laugh and I hope they're on the money haha

[binman 37,910]

9 hours ago, DemonWA said:

I try to follow the logic but I can't fathom being 25% away from peak performance.  5-10% sure, but I just can't accept 75% being a realistic number to put out there for round 20.  I would say even at the most 'loaded' stage of the season we'd struggle to be a full 25% off the pace. 

I think trying to play our press AND counter the run and gun style of the Pies is a different beast to what we train. I also think the teams that play the super fast game styles may go into their shells and/or [censored] the bed when the stakes are as high as they will be  when elimination finals come around. We need to stick with our method.

Not related, but loved George's views on the Cats. Would love that to be the case also, but fear they're as good this year as they have been for a very long time

 

Yep, I was just picking a number as an illustrative tool. It wasn't meant to be exact.

It could be 90%.

The point being the pies are probably close to their peak readiness.

And we are getting closer, but still seven weeks away from ours.

The analogy I used is an Olympic swimmer who has a gold medal race in 7 weeks.

She is swimming brilliantly, the best times she has since prior to commencing her big training block she finished two weeks back to maximise her chances of winning gold.

Every day she feels better, and her times reflect that. On these times she'll beat almost every other swimmer in the world. 

Her current time isn't matching her own PB, is not close to a WR, and she knows won't win her gold in 7 weeks.

However, she is confident she is on the right track and is confident of winning gold. As she did at the last Olympics.

But she knows there are no guarantees.

She has the fastest PB of any of her likely competitors, but is experienced enough to know someone else might have gone to another level, or might pull out the swim of their life in the final. Or maybe she'll blow her start like she did at the nationals. 

Maybe that upstart swimmer from abbotsford, whose times have been dropping at an alarming rate, has another gear and will pull something crazy good out come show time, like she did at the nationals.

Or maybe her new conditioning team hasn't quite got the training program right.

Maybe the little niggles and distractions she didn't have last time might have an impact.

Maybe she will have some bad luck. 

No guarantees.

She is raging even money favourite, but even at $2, if the race is swum 10 times, she loses 5 of them

So, as i said on the show, if you think the pies are legitimate flag contenders, then by extension logic says so are we.

Hard to argue we should have won that game. Should have doesn't pay the bills, and they fully deserved the victory. We had no excuses. But on expected scores we scored 13 more points than them.

For the first time this year, goody was noticeablely furious. And that no doubt was because we should have won.

If you accept we are not at peak physical readiness yet (even if we are at 90%), then it is only logical that we have another gear to go to. That, after all, is the whole point of a periodisation training program.

Swimming your best time, even a world record, seven weeks out from the Olympic final means nothing if you don't win gold. No one cares about your scintillating performance at the nationals. 

I'm hoping tbe pies don't have another gear to go to, but even if they do I'd be confident if we played like we did last week we'd beat them.

Edited August 9, 2022 by binman

[DemonWA 3,432]

2 hours ago, binman said:

 

So, as i said on the show, if you think the pies are legitimate flag contenders, then by extension logic says so are we.

The only thing we're aligned on is that both the dees and pies are legitimate contenders.

[layzie 28,660]

The point is also that we hope the Pies are at full peak physical condition. Possibly as a result of not expecting to get this far, but there's no promises there. 

[DemonWA 3,432]

The suggestion that we're a month or two from being at our absolute peak sits OK with me, but I think they'd be negligible gains from hear on in. Potentially the prefinals bye helps. 

We should have beaten the Pies, but I don't accept they won because of the differences in our loading/tapering. 2 weeks ago even the most ardent pro loaders were saying the freo game was the point in which the discussion would be put to bed. Revising the theory to match the results was my initial source of scepticism, and I feel like that's what these discussions have reverted to.