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Two interesting quotes from the HS article:

At Melbourne, Grundy will take the lion’s share of the ruck duties, meaning six-time All-Australian Max Gawn will play more minutes in a key forward role next year.

 

Melbourne believes its premiership window is still wide open despite the loss of Luke Jackson as it cashed in on his departure despite still haggling on a deal for replacement ruckman Brodie Grundy.

The Demons believe Grundy will be an upgrade on Jackson in the short-term future despite the departing premiership player’s undoubted potential and cherished place in the club’s premiership history.

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Remember, we didn't start this trade period with pick 27, we traded for it.

So it's actually 33, 43 and 53 for Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

But if you believe the club, we had no intention of ever using 43 and 53.

Which really mean, when it all boils down to it, we spent pick 33 and got Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

Will it work? Who knows. I'm keen to find out. We're paying a reasonably large contract to get him, but we certainly spent very little draft capital compared to his established talent.

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3 hours ago, rpfc said:

Again, where is that stated. I have seen and heard $1.5m of the $5m owed. What the ‘loading’ is is not mentioned and also would be something we and the AFL would have to agree.

Well it’s something the clubs agree to as part of the trade, it probably won’t ever be publicly confirmed what the exact terms are by either club so you won’t ever see something offical one way or the other. Up to you who you want to believe in the media as it will be speculated about to no end and certainly some would have legit sources. All we have officially is Pies saying they would pay upto 300k per year prior to the trade period but who know what stings came with that and if we used that as just a starting point.

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4 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Remember, we didn't start this trade period with pick 27, we traded for it.

So it's actually 33, 43 and 53 for Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

But if you believe the club, we had no intention of ever using 43 and 53.

Which really mean, when it all boils down to it, we spent pick 33 and got Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

Will it work? Who knows. I'm keen to find out. We're paying a reasonably large contract to get him, but we certainly spent very little draft capital compared to his established talent.

We definitely did the best with what we had.

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7 hours ago, one_demon said:

Is Gawn and Grundy the best ruck duo ever?  The only other I can think of is Polly Farmer and Sam Newman.

John Nicholls and Percy Jones?

Steve O'Dwyer and Jim Stynes?

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19 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Do we know what contribution Pies are actually making to his contract. One report is saying we are only getting $150k a year leaving us with $850k. Surely that is wrong and rumoured $300k per year is closer to the mark. 

A so called in the know Collingwood person on Bigfooty said Collingwood were paying $150k and Grundy was taking a $100k pay cut, no idea if true or not

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1 minute ago, Bates Mate said:

There is so much commentary and discussion on "how will gawn and Grundy work" pretty easy from my perspective. Watch our games from 2021/22. Grundy replaces Jackson pretty easy concept

Yes, but Gawn is older and more banged up and the FD obviously would like him to be FF and the the back up to a superior ruck, so he isn’t forced back in there when we are struggling. 

Gawn as a forward has its pros and cons, but, injuries aside, Grundy should be able to provide more than Jackson did of course.

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I just hope this means Max can have devastating effect when he pinch hits in the ruck against tired opposition ruckmen. Well I hope this is still in the plan because making him a permenent forward concerns me. 

I do wonder if we'll be having Max ruck for the forward 50 and Grundy everywhere else? Time will tell, interested to see how it works. 

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12 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I think people recognise he is a big picture innovator (e.g Diamond defence in ‘18), he’s just not particularly flexible/adaptive in the short term (e.g no changes to sides late last yr + Petty going forward only when the game was lost).

We follow a unique sport where teams train in preparation for just about as long as the season itself. The game is also constantly shifting with new tactics and fresh counter-tactics. Geelong won the flag by evolving in the off-season. With such small margins of difference as to equalisation., I genuinely don't think there's much that can be done once the race is underway. 

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3 hours ago, Bates Mate said:

There is so much commentary and discussion on "how will gawn and Grundy work" pretty easy from my perspective. Watch our games from 2021/22. Grundy replaces Jackson pretty easy concept

In a lot of ways, Grundy is a fully realised Jackson.

Both have basketball backgrounds and can play as an extra midfielder. While Jackson is more agile and has that Nic Nat style x factor, Grundy is a better mark, better tap ruckman and a probably a better forward. 

Jackson also did not have the tank and ability to play full ruck duties while Grundy does. Very easy to see how Grundy slots into our game plan.

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1 minute ago, binman said:

I might have missed it, but what is the Pies rationale for trading Grundy?

Do the pies think he doesn't suit how they want to play or is it as simple as wanting to get his salary off the books?

I believe it is mainly a salary dump scenario

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Strawbs was a bloody good ruck man.

Very underrated - perhaps because he looked a little ungainly.

But in many ways he was ahead of his time - like Maxy, very tall but super athletic.

And smart - he had the knack of all really good footballers - he got to the right spots 

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