Trade and Free Agency rumours

[58er 5,593]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I would love to have seen Toby tried on a hbf, with his pace and line breaking, like the highly successful Daniel Rioli move.

No that's  what  Bowey can do . Toby is not the same strength or class as Dan Riol  or Bowey. Chandler might be a chance however with greater body strength and longer kicking and in one line he would hav the pace. 
 

 

[Redleg 37,479]

12 minutes ago, 58er said:

Who  are you referring to ? Hibbo was not injured IMO at the end of the season. Plenty of other defenders had injury riddled seasons  or did notrecover from injury properly or were played too early ie Salem Rivers Lever for example. 

Read the post I answered. I was answering who would play Hibbo’s role if he left.

[daisycutter 28,459]

5 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

With no cheeky emoji there I will assume you are serious...

If you find an official document saying 5 years I'll change info.  Until then the AFL document will stay my official source.

just a thought. could he have been given a 4 yr extension when he already had 1 yr left on an existing contract?

this would explain some reporting it as 4 yrs and others at 5 yrs

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

just a thought. could he have been given a 4 yr extension when he already had 1 yr left on an existing contract?

this would explain some reporting it as 4 yrs and others at 5 yrs

He was OOC when he came as an FA so his contract with us was either 4 or 5 years. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,132]

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

I would love to have seen Toby tried on a hbf, with his pace and line breaking, like the highly successful Daniel Rioli move.

Doesn’t have the clean hands and disposal of Rioli. We need clean hands and skills off half back. 

[Its Time for Another 4,051]

2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

He was OOC when he came as an FA so his contract with us was either 4 or 5 years. 

The Age Oct 2019 reported it is a 5 year contract for $500,000 per year. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dees-nab-tomlinson-in-giant-trade-20191007-p52ygs.html

[Lucifers Hero 36,984]

9 hours ago, Its Time for Another said:

The Age Oct 2019 reported it is a 5 year contract for $500,000 per year. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dees-nab-tomlinson-in-giant-trade-20191007-p52ygs.html

I'm taking the AFL press release as the 'official' word and it said 4 years so I'll leave the Contracts thread as is..

[Kent 2,574]

15 hours ago, 58er said:

No that's  what  Bowey can do . Toby is not the same strength or class as Dan Riol  or Bowey. Chandler might be a chance however with greater body strength and longer kicking and in one line he would hav the pace. 
 

 

So why wasn't he played at the end of the season??

[58er 5,593]

8 minutes ago, Kent said:

So why wasn't he played at the end of the season??

Because our SCttee and Coach ignored his good form at Casey in the QUAL Final. (was named in our best and Jake had over 25 possessions and I saw everyone of those quality touches.) 

Just because he wasn't selected doesn't make your opinion any more right in my eyes, Kent.

Another example of very conservative selection and playing players with some injury issues. 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,158]

17 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

Hibberd deserves an extension, Melksham not so much. 

We definetly have cap room just by the nature of the fact that we got a number of players who in the next 12 months could be out the door and wouldn't be a big miss.

Then he’s got what he doesn’t deserve, in your opinion anyways. 😁

Of this you can be sure! 

[58er 5,593]

16 hours ago, Redleg said:

Read the post I answered. I was answering who would play Hibbo’s role if he left.

Redleg 

All you replied was about an injured player but you did not name a defender. 

And that IMO had nothing to do with  your separate post on Toby bring tried as a defender. 

Is the injured defender Joel Smith BTW ? 

Also in your Bowes posting you name 5 players you want delisted? Really that won't happen and contains no common sense. 

I do agree however that Bowes and pick 7 would be a good trade for us to get involved but not 5 players maybe ONE. 

 

[D4Life 2,299]

On 9/22/2022 at 7:19 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

Agreed.  The 'salary dump' change is intended to help struggling clubs who have the cap space get access to better picks/players.  Hence, the article mentions the clubs with the cap space: Hawthorn, Saints, Ess and Geelong.   It frightens the bejeesus our of me that Geelong could have the cap space to get him and get pick 7.  The AFL should check if there are 'freebies' being offered by Geelong that they don't count.  It just doesn't make sense that they can afford Bowes.

Cats have huge salary cap advantage for two reasons:

1. Buy an equivalent house in Geelong vs Melb, your paying 50% less. So let’s Cats offer 10-20% less re salary, other than rookie, 1-2 year players. 14.3M cap 2.3M gets used on bottom 15 players leaving $12 million, between 10-20% on that amount gives $1.2M - $2.4M extra salary space for the Cats, allows Cats an extra Dangerfield quality player and 1-3 better than average players.

2. Beach, or country laid back lifestyle is the other draw!

Cats should make finals every year, as these are huge advantages!

[D4Life 2,299]

On 9/21/2022 at 9:11 AM, Deeko2 said:

I'd be happy to see Chandler go on to get better opportunities at another club.  

I feel like his best spot is on the ball where he showed at VFL level that he can impact around the contest but let's be honest, he's not going to get an opportunity around it in the ones.  He reminds of Ben Kennedy in not enough speed, goal kicking sense to be a permanent up forward and just not quote good enough for a mid either.

I'd persist with Bedford as backup as at least he has some genuine speed around the contest and we need as much speed as possible.

Interesting chats on Charlie.  I'm all for him playing one's week to week but we need to make better use of his skills.  I'm always happy when the ball is in his hands delivering it but needs to get a lot more of it.

I'd be surprised if he gets the ball 10+ times on average a game and would be nowhere near a goal a game.  I think he is a victim of a game plan that doesn't suit him (continually bombing it over him looking for forward half stoppages) but he really needs to find away to get more involved.

 

What is average number of possessions in the league for a small/medium HF or small FP?

 

[Redleg 37,479]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Redleg 

All you replied was about an injured player but you did not name a defender. 

And that IMO had nothing to do with  your separate post on Toby bring tried as a defender. 

Is the injured defender Joel Smith BTW ? 

Also in your Bowes posting you name 5 players you want delisted? Really that won't happen and contains no common sense. 

I do agree however that Bowes and pick 7 would be a good trade for us to get involved but not 5 players maybe ONE. 

 

I didn’t want 5 players delisted, as 2 are contracted or FA, Tomo and Hunt. I would not be unhappy to move on the other 3 and as I said, one or both of the other 2 could leave for better money or opportunities.

If that happened and Bowes came, we add a hbf with him, get pick 7 and have a large amount of salary cap room for use. We would also have a pick for Tomo if he left and a compo pick for Hunt if he left. These picks can then be bundled to get one better one. 

I however don’t expect that to happen. Personally I would rather bring in high end young talent, than keep a 33 year old Hibbo and 32 year old Melk for one year. Even moving on Baker, Melk and Hibbo would be more than Bowes contract. We still would have Salem, Bowey, Smith, Turner, Rivers, Brayshaw, JJ and Bowes as back flankers with maybe Taj as another to come, if they all went, which is highly unlikely and Melk and Tomo aren’t half backs anyway. 

For example Matthew Jefferson, the Vic Metro FF would likely be there at 7. Would you rather have him, or Hibbo and Melk for one year. There are plenty of other young players if not him.

This is a great opportunity with the Jacko trade as well, to get a few high end talented players.

We might not get this type of opportunity again in the next few years.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Redleg

[D4Life 2,299]

On 9/20/2022 at 7:50 PM, Roger Mellie said:

Spargo is criminally under-utilised by our players. They either can't see him or don't look. The number of times he's free and positioned himself well to receive the ball to deliver into the forward 50, or is in the forward 50 for a shot at goal, and isn't seen is comical. Have a look at our last game. Brayshaw has collected the ball out of the middle and is running toward the opposition goal. Instead of hand balling to Spargo (4 metres away, on his own and facing the direction we want to kick), Brayshaw, runs past him and kicks over his shoulder - turnover. Grrr!

Agree.

I watch Jordan get the ball a fair amount, go back look for options, ignore options, then wait and surprise surprise kick it long into forward pocket.

if he kicked it to Charlie 3-4 of his possessions, then we’d end up with 3-4 much better possessions going int o our forward 50!

[adonski 9,102]

Jordon is the only one who actually kicks it to King Charles! 

[MadAsHell 4,088]

46 minutes ago, D4Life said:

Cats have huge salary cap advantage for two reasons:

1. Buy an equivalent house in Geelong vs Melb, your paying 50% less. So let’s Cats offer 10-20% less re salary, other than rookie, 1-2 year players. 14.3M cap 2.3M gets used on bottom 15 players leaving $12 million, between 10-20% on that amount gives $1.2M - $2.4M extra salary space for the Cats, allows Cats an extra Dangerfield quality player and 1-3 better than average players.

2. Beach, or country laid back lifestyle is the other draw!

Cats should make finals every year, as these are huge advantages!

So are you saying the Dees should relocate to Frankston for a similar advantage???

[layzie 28,523]

Why are we so confused about Tomlinson's contract length? It's weird and wrong.

[chook fowler 18,174]

48 minutes ago, D4Life said:

Cats have huge salary cap advantage for two reasons:

1. Buy an equivalent house in Geelong vs Melb, your paying 50% less. So let’s Cats offer 10-20% less re salary, other than rookie, 1-2 year players. 14.3M cap 2.3M gets used on bottom 15 players leaving $12 million, between 10-20% on that amount gives $1.2M - $2.4M extra salary space for the Cats, allows Cats an extra Dangerfield quality player and 1-3 better than average players.

2. Beach, or country laid back lifestyle is the other draw!

Cats should make finals every year, as these are huge advantages!

Very much doubt the price differential between Melbourne and Geelong is 50%. Geelong has taken off and has become expensive.

[mo64 5,208]

47 minutes ago, D4Life said:

Agree.

I watch Jordan get the ball a fair amount, go back look for options, ignore options, then wait and surprise surprise kick it long into forward pocket.

if he kicked it to Charlie 3-4 of his possessions, then we’d end up with 3-4 much better possessions going int o our forward 50!

How is it that Jordon has no problem finding the ball, and yet it's his fault that Spargo can't accumulate possessions. Have you considered that Spargo is the problem?

[Kent 2,574]

7 minutes ago, mo64 said:

How is it that Jordon has no problem finding the ball, and yet it's his fault that Spargo can't accumulate possessions. Have you considered that Spargo is the problem?

Some on here mustn't watch the games

Jordon is a momentum killer extraordinaire.  Not only does he wait, walk back and then ignore free players he has never played on and has never hand balled to a player running past WE need offensive pressure and he doesn't provide it

At the moment he is a poor winger half back with great skills but no attacking footy nous.

BTW i agree with D4life Spargo is free a lot and is criminally ignored

At least that is something we should be able to fix

[mo64 5,208]

4 minutes ago, Kent said:

Some on here mustn't watch the games

Jordon is a momentum killer extraordinaire.  Not only does he wait, walk back and then ignore free players he has never played on and has never hand balled to a player running past WE need offensive pressure and he doesn't provide it

At the moment he is a poor winger half back with great skills but no attacking footy nous.

BTW i agree with D4life Spargo is free a lot and is criminally ignored

At least that is something we should be able to fix

Spargo 10 goals in 24 games as a permanent forward. Of course it's everyone else's fault.

[Winter Dan 425]

12 minutes ago, Kent said:

Some on here mustn't watch the games

Jordon is a momentum killer extraordinaire.  Not only does he wait, walk back and then ignore free players he has never played on and has never hand balled to a player running past WE need offensive pressure and he doesn't provide it

At the moment he is a poor winger half back with great skills but no attacking footy nous.

BTW i agree with D4life Spargo is free a lot and is criminally ignored

At least that is something we should be able to fix

I blame the game plan not Jordan. I observe players across the team doing the same thing, so it must be coaches instructions. I thought that was the central problem in our loss to the swans in the finals. 

[Dee-licious 1,800]

Rumour alert: Liam Henry is in melbourne hanging out with Clarry!!!!

[Kent 2,574]

Just now, Winter Dan said:

I blame the game plan not Jordan. I observe players across the team doing the same thing, so it must be coaches instructions. I thought that was the central problem in our loss to the swans in the finals. 

Yes you may be right WD about game plan but Jordan has been doing it since he started and Spargo getting free space is also obvious in most games