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12 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Are you implying that Roffey leaked the text messages? Can’t see any motive at all for her to do this, save for sheer naivety if it was truly the case.

Having said that, she also has previously demonstrated to me that she is not to be trusted. We could be in better hands.

The administration of the club owns Bartlett's phone and all other staff members phones and has access to all texts. It could be anyone.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I wonder how Jim Plunkett feels about his job security at the moment?

Although opinions could have changed in this timeframe, he’d still have to wonder.

I thought the same thing.

He was there for Jackson and Pert has kept him on so he must be highly thought of within management.

Would love to know who 'they' were Roffey thought were so reliant on Plunkett and why she wanted him 'booted off'!

He survived the 2021 review so he must be ok.

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1 minute ago, Grand New Flag said:

The administration of the club owns Bartlett's phone and all other staff members phones and has access to all texts. It could be anyone.

 

 


I find that highly improbable. He was not an employee of the club.

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2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I thought the same thing.

He was there for Jackson and Pert has kept him on so he must be highly thought of within management.

Would love to know who 'they' were Roffey thought were so reliant on Plunkett and why she wanted him 'booted off'!

He survived the 2021 review so he must be ok.

I agree that it appears he has been deemed necessary, otherwise he’d have been released with the covid cull.

I can’t recall when Mahoney left.

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4 minutes ago, Mach5 said:


I find that highly improbable. He was not an employee of the club.

I am just telling you Bartlett has nothing to do with it.  You can believe me or dismiss me.  I don't care.  Things are not always what they seems.  

 

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Just now, Grand New Flag said:

I am just telling you Bartlett has nothing to do with it.  You can believe me or dismiss me.  I don't care.  Things are not always what it seems.  

 


Well then I’m inclined to dismiss you entirely, based on your track record and the fact I know the club doesn’t provide or even contribute to the cost of phones for a lot of their staff, let alone a president who would surely have his own phone without needing the club to provide one so that he has to hand it back (and without wiping it first!)

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3 hours ago, Redleg said:

In a civil legal dispute, parties can be required to disclose and produce all relevant  documents, that are not legally privileged, to the other side.

Let me hypothesise a scenario.

Someone feels aggrieved and sues another party like the Herald Sun. The HS then seeks discovery of documents. The aggrieved party provides all their documents, some of which may be helpful to his position and damaging to other parties. The dispute is then resolved. The HS then publishes some of the documents. The owner of the documents can rightfully  argue he didn’t publish them and should not be blamed for the HS doing so.

The documents are now out in the public domain, courtesy of the Defendant to the proceedings and the owner of the documents can get his views out in the public domain courtesy of another party’s actions.

On second thoughts is this a hypothetical scenario or reality?

The problem with that scenario is that the documents were provided to the herald Sun before any legal action was being taken.

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13 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

The administration of the club owns Bartlett's phone and all other staff members phones and has access to all texts. It could be anyone.

 

 

That would be unusual for the club to own his phone. I'd go as far as to say highly unlikely.

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29 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I agree that it appears he has been deemed necessary, otherwise he’d have been released with the covid cull.

I can’t recall when Mahoney left.

Mahoney left at the end of 2021 2020 when 3/4 of his job went to Richardson after the 2021 2020 review.

Pert led that review which happened during the year (iirc after the Port loss).  Given that Plunkett was a 'change agent' at Leading Teams before joining Jackson at the dees, I would think he would have been heavily involved in the review so perhaps Roffey was referring to his role in that and subsequent reliance on him,

But I reckon that was his job.

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16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Mahoney left at the end of 2021 when 3/4 of his job went to Richardson after the 2021 review.

Pert led that review which happened during the year (iirc after the Port loss).  Given that Plunkett was a 'change agent' at Leading Teams before joining Jackson at the dees, I would think he would have been heavily involved in the review so perhaps Roffey was referring to his role in that and subsequent reliance on him,

But I reckon that was his job.

think you meant 2020  https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/josh-mahoney-appointed-essendon-football-manager-20201208-p56lo8.html

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19 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Mahoney left at the end of 2021 when 3/4 of his job went to Richardson after the 2021 review.

Pert led that review which happened during the year (iirc after the Port loss).  Given that Plunkett was a 'change agent' at Leading Teams before joining Jackson at the dees, I would think he would have been heavily involved in the review so perhaps Roffey was referring to his role in that and subsequent reliance on him,

But I reckon that was his job.


Yes, leadership and culture is Plunkett’s job, but I’m not sure what capacity Roffey felt he was being relied upon. I’m sure he assists in a lot of areas, such that he was based with the club in the hub through 2020. But I was alluding to the fact that maybe it was Mahoney who was relying on Plunkett, as he departed not too long after.

I also know that McCartney felt he was relied upon too much at times, but I think this was in a very different capacity and I doubt it has anything to do with Roffey’s comments.

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The HS and Mick Warner have been waiting until our first loss(es) to release the next instalment of this soap opera. he's very proud of himself, actually thinks this is ground breaking journalism.

The only problem for him is this is not 2011. 

Bad luck Mick, no Walkley for you

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49 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

I am just telling you Bartlett has nothing to do with it.  You can believe me or dismiss me.  I don't care.  Things are not always what they seems.  

 

Have you got any theories on who it might be or reasons it's not Bartlett?

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53 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

I am just telling you Bartlett has nothing to do with it.  You can believe me or dismiss me.  I don't care.  Things are not always what they seems.  

 

Your last line is quite apt in relation to your mate, Glen. 

And we dismiss you, GNF. As your mate continues to bristle with contempt at how he was shovelled out the door as he poured pressure on the coach - you are the one faced with a choice here. 

And it’s quite binary…

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

As a lawyer you would know full well that if the Herald Sun obtained the texts as a result of discovery during litigation, it is unlawful for it to disclose those texts in this manner.

With the legal advice newspapers take all the time on defamation risks, there is no way this is what happened. 

Correct, except that if used in evidence before the Court/Tribunal, they become part of the Public Record and unless prohibited from being published by that Court/Tribunal, they can then be published.

That was my hypothesis, but I am unaware of at what stage this matter was resolved and if any discovery or evidence was undertaken.

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6 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Your last line is quite apt in relation to your mate, Glen. 

And we dismiss you, GNF. As your mate continues to bristle with contempt at how he was shovelled out the door as he poured pressure on the coach - you are the one faced with a choice here. 

And it’s quite binary…

You could not be more wrong about this.  Glen could not give a sh_it about politics inside the MFC. He has moved on and lives in Perth. All he wants is more Melbourne Premierships. After all he did lead the club from a bottom basket case in 2012 all the way to a Premiership, our current success is his legacy.  Unravelling the club now does himself no favours.  Destroys his personal reputation and legacy.  Hurts his business reputation and future board opportunities. There is simply no upside for him to leak.

I don't know who the leaker is, but if you knew Bartlett as I do you would know that this is not his style. There is no way in the world this is him.  Further Glen thinks he knows who it is but would not tell me.

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I know how annoying the Western Bulldogs backs against the wall trope became at the end of last year, but, at the moment people (particularly the media) are definitely trying to take us down a peg. 

Can we harness this over the coming weeks, come out on QB breathing absolute fire, prove a point and remind the league that we are in fact a force to be reckoned with. 

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What did I tell you....and as soon as someone started talking Dynasties..

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Who cares about this garbage. It all happened and was finished before we won our flag sop it is old, stale news only suitable for a reporter to try a build a reputation. It's too late - reporters reputations are built on predicting new news, not rehashing old news.

GO KATE GO GOODY GO DEES

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Remember when these kinds of stories were accompanied by a dejected looking side slouching off the G after being beaten by 100 points?

Now we just have to see the Coach and President embracing after winning the flag. A picture tells a thousand words, and that picture clearly says ‘this [censored] doesn’t matter that much’.

What a time to be a Demon.

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5 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Remember when these kinds of stories were accompanied by a dejected looking side slouching off the G after being beaten by 100 points?

Now we just have to see the Coach and President embracing after winning the flag. A picture tells a thousand words, and that picture clearly says ‘this [censored] doesn’t matter that much’.

What a time to be a Demon.

They had 2 photos to choose from.

Guess which one they use?

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