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16 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Schwarz's comments are hardly over the top or outrageous. Fair few here need to get a grip.

 

“For them to look at it there must have been serious concern at Simon and his behaviour,” he said on 3AW.

“He has had a wretched run with it and to put it in front of young vulnerable men … I don’t think it is a great look.

“I think he needs to distance himself from that sort of behaviour.

“I don’t mind them having a beer but I think sitting down for a long time and gambling with players I think there needs to be a separation.

“He is their boss.”

Schwarz said he knew “there were rumblings” with people concerned at Goodwin’s behaviour.

He said Goodwin should retain his position at the Demons.

“I think they have dealt with it,” he said.

“They have brought in support … they have surrounded him with good people.”

 

This statement is arbitrary at best. So they can have a beer together, but sitting down for a "long" time is unacceptable? What is the threshold on that, David? 30 mins, 3 hours? Spare us the vague grandstanding please. David is coming across as simply enjoying the sound of his own voice. 

I watch Melbourne games with my boss at the pub. If someone told us that this was inappropriate it would be met with hostility. 

The media and ex-players need stop acting like they're everyone's mum or dad and mind their bloody business. The virtue signaling is getting out of hand and its nauseating at this point.  

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Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

That was a bizarre take by GNF re Warner being disgruntled. 

As you said, his sole job in all of this is to write the story itself. 

Warner has no personal attachment to this story. 

Yes. Makes absolutely no sense

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8 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

 

Doctor in collaboration with Warner makes sense.  Doctor disgruntle, Warner disgruntle and wants to bring down Board.  Doctor gives emails to Warner who leaks them.  This way Doctor keeps his pay-out if busted as he is not the leaker to the press. Warner discredits Board during an election in which he is standing as on outsider.

Without having seen the terms of his pay out, the bolded part would more than likely be a breach of a NDA.

I don't think it's the Doc. He apparently has a six figure sum as well as a professional career at risk should it be traced back to him. He cannot be that stupid, surely.

I also struggle to see what positives Bartlett would hope to achieve by leaking

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I assume once the doctor sued the club for wrongful dismissal lawyers became involved. I also assume that means the possibility of an exchange between the parties of various matters as the Doctor and the club each managed their side of the case. Could the matters that have been leaked been part of that exchange of materials? If so, it's possible that the leak came from a law firm. Lots of people in law firms have access to this sort of information, and not just the lawyer(s) involved (paralegals, IT, admin staff, etc).  

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2 minutes ago, Smokey said:

This statement is arbitrary at best. So they can have a beer together, but sitting down for a "long" time is unacceptable? What is the threshold on that, David? 30 mins, 3 hours? Spare us the vague grandstanding please. David is coming across as simply enjoying the sound of his own voice. 

I watch Melbourne games with my boss at the pub. If someone told us that this was inappropriate it would be met with hostility. 

The media and ex-players need stop acting like they're everyone's mum or dad and mind their bloody business. The virtue signaling is getting out of hand and its nauseating at this point.  

Can't agree that it's "grandstanding" or "virtue signalling".

A 45 year old man, who is the coach, boss and (by player admission) like a 'father figure' with a history of gambling addiction which got to the point of endangering his career and quite possibly negatively impacting his personal life and relationships, spending time gambling with those he's charged with being responsible for is pretty clearly not a good look. Especially if you're talking about the considerations of interstate parents of 18-19 year olds at the club.

It's a completely different context to you having a beer with your boss at the pub.

Sure, it's not end of the world, but clearly Ox as a former gambling addict recognizes it as problematic.

 

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1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Everyone? I don't.

Let me ask you a simple question: Would you be prepared to make that statement without the cloak of anonymity that Demonland provides, knowing you could be sued for defamation if it isn't true? Yes or no?

alright, fine - everyone PRESUMES it is bartlett doing the leaking

former board member andrew leoncelli has indicated as such as, publicly - and if bartlett doesn't sue for defamation can we thus infer that everyone's presumption is correct?

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Spare a thought for Goody with all this crap, speculation and muck-raking going on. 

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11 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Can't agree that it's "grandstanding" or "virtue signalling".

A 45 year old man, who is the coach, boss and (by player admission) like a 'father figure' with a history of gambling addiction which got to the point of endangering his career and quite possibly negatively impacting his personal life and relationships, spending time gambling with those he's charged with being responsible for is pretty clearly not a good look. Especially if you're talking about the considerations of interstate parents of 18-19 year olds at the club.

It's a completely different context to you having a beer with your boss at the pub.

Sure, it's not end of the world, but clearly Ox as a former gambling addict recognizes it as problematic.

 

It is absolutely virtue signaling mate. 

Virtue signaling is the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. (Oxford definition)

Given gambling is legal and therefore not a criminal matter, what would you call it then? 

 

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40 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

I thought Kate Roffey's strident defence of Goody was more than welcome.  However, the only question that remains for me is, why was the Doctor paid out a 6 figure $ sum, which clearly is not insubstantial and why was there an apparent non-disclosure clause in the settlement?

You don't do business do you?

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For mine, this can only be a direct leak from Glen Bartlett -  or a close association of his.    I can't imagine anyone with the breadth of information and motivation could be anyone on existing Board -   I see this as Glen's revenge for being rolled in April and had tarnished his complete 8 year legacy.   I have read nothing that tells me that Goody isn't the right bloke to steer the Dee's ship.

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Smokey said:

It is absolutely virtue signaling mate. 

Virtue signaling is the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. (Oxford definition)

Given gambling is legal and therefore not a criminal matter, what would you call it then?

Sorry mate, just can't agree that's what he's doing. Personally I heard a parent and former gambling addict talking about problematic behaviour that he has personal experience with while supporting Goodwin. I didn't get any 'moral correctness' from it at all.

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The doc complained that "Mr Goodwin used aggressive language and tone". This, after 8 years at a football club. And this is the substance of a bullying complaint? Who is he trying to fool?

Neither the doc nor the former president did it. It would be too, too cute if it was so.

It is remarkable how many people can have access to internal documents in any organisation (all stored on a server somewhere). So there are many possibilities for the leaker and I believe that the club should investigate deeply, expose and shame the culprit and publicly exonerate all those who may have been caught up in this breach of decency.

It's time for us all to show our support for a premiership winning coach in our posts. I'll start.

GO GOODY. GO DEES.

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There are a lot of distasteful things today, but trial by media is right up there. 

Don’t worry about the victim or the accused or it’s impact on the individual or family. But hey, it’s a headline. And the reporters are patted on the back, told it’s a great story and get their pay cheque. Behaving no better than trolls on social media. No time for reflection or context, just be published or be damned. 

 

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Just now, Lord Nev said:

Sorry mate, just can't agree that's what he's doing. Personally I heard a parent and former gambling addict talking about problematic behaviour that he has personal experience with while supporting Goodwin. I didn't get any 'moral correctness' from it at all.

The key difference is whether the comments are made publicly or not. 

To use your example, if David had a private chat with Goody to share his experiences with gambling then I wouldn't call it virtue signaling either. 

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1 minute ago, Demonland said:

Turmoil at the Dees at Casey today.

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Herald Sun: Poor bullied employees having to force a laugh at their horrible boss's bad jokes. 

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5 minutes ago, Smokey said:

The key difference is whether the comments are made publicly or not. 

To use your example, if David had a private chat with Goody to share his experiences with gambling then I wouldn't call it virtue signaling either. 

Public or not, I just don't think what was said was "virtue signalling". Let's move on hey?

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1 hour ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

I thought Kate Roffey's strident defence of Goody was more than welcome.  However, the only question that remains for me is, why was the Doctor paid out a 6 figure $ sum, which clearly is not insubstantial and why was there an apparent non-disclosure clause in the settlement?

The Dr (Zeeshan Arain) sued for wrongful dismissal and sought $250,000. He reveived a pre-trial settlement of $100,000. The fact that he reveived $100,000 is not necessarily an indication he had  a strong case. I would suggest that the fact he accepted $100,000 shows he probably didn't. Non-disclosure clauses are standard. Why would you give someone $100,000 and then let them sell their story later? The whole reason you are making a payment is for the story to go away. The Club didn't try to bury this totally. They took the workplace bullying accusation seriously and the Doctor's ongoing cooperation with this investigation was part of the payout agreement.

I previously worked in insurance and the reason why so few cases end up in court is because the defendant doesn't want a precedent to be set by a negative trial outcome. Even if you think you have a strong case you don't want to take the risk and a $100,000 payout in this instance might be considered a good option. $100,000 is nothing in terms of expenditure at an AFL Club.

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11 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Turmoil at the Dees at Casey today.

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Should be clear to everyone that these players hate the bloke! What I really want to know is what Andrew Bolt thinks. Only then will the truth be told. 

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