TRAINING: Monday 6th December 2021

[Cards13 9,117]

2 hours ago, Flower Magic said:

Wow, I sure copped some heat for my concern for our players' wellbeing after Jake's fainting spell. Those replying (or face planting or even vomiting) seem to miss the point of my original post entirely. My question was simply why do such an onerous session in hot weather (and direct sun) and risk the players' health when it could have been done on a cooler day? Particularly given that this was the first scheduled training session for 2021/22. The best distance runners do not do their hardest workout on the first day back after a break, they build up to it, increasing the intensity as they get fitter. Okay, so football fitness is different to running fitness? Not so much any more. Any running program should be gradual. Throwing people into hard sessions on day 1 risks various injuries such as calf and achilles strains and even stress reactions or fractures. And doing them on warm or hot days risks heat exhaustion  which may cause, surprise surprise, fainting. But I never suggested that players should not do hard running on hot days. Of course they should, given that AFL venues now include Darwin, Alice Springs, Cairns etc. But not on day 1 in hot weather after a two month break unless all players have followed and adhered to strict running programs during their break, which I doubt is the case and certainly ain't for the new boys.

The thing with today is players are not really taking a break. It’s not like 10, 15 or 20+ years ago where they would go to mad Monday then off to Bali on a month long bender before doing some runs around the local oval. 
The things we’ve seen over this off-season have been players taking ownership of themselves and doing sessions 3 weeks after the premiership win, Selwyn noting today the players have been doing “loads” while not at the club. The players are fine, Lever is a one off. (Unless losing the fitness guru is the start of our next 50+ year curse)

[Hellish Inferno 992]

16 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Unless losing the fitness guru is the start of our next 50+ year curse

I'm not superstitious, but c'mon don't say stuff like that...

Edited December 7, 2021 by Hellish Inferno

[DEE fence 4,448]

10 hours ago, CYB said:

That is enviable. Im 41 and my best 5km was ~25 minutes. Didnt get to do much interval training as my back and knees finally caved... Now its just walking!

Knees are definitely the weak link, tarmac = death. Rowing is the go, low impact but you can still smash the HR.

Also total respect for the 5min kloms, still puts you in top 10% of population. I just don't ont have much variety for entertainment.

Edited December 7, 2021 by DEE fence
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[Skuit 9,166]

3 hours ago, Flower Magic said:

Wow, I sure copped some heat for my concern for our players' wellbeing after Jake's fainting spell. Those replying (or face planting or even vomiting) seem to miss the point of my original post entirely. My question was simply why do such an onerous session in hot weather (and direct sun) and risk the players' health when it could have been done on a cooler day? P

You're not allowed to criticize the football department in any way whatsoever now that we've won a flag. Those are the new Demonland rules. Even if you backed said football department for years while people took constant swipes  You're basically a traitor now. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,412]

9 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

From the legendary tome "The Coach", about North Melbourne's 1977 season. This was when Barassi introduced very high training standards into VFL football.

At the first training session, all players were required to run 3.6km in 15 minutes. If they didn't, they had to come to the next training 15 minutes early and attempt the trial. And keep doing that until they passed. Most did it within the first two training sessions but 2 weeks later there were still 5 of them attempting it.

Next session. Jogged 1.5km to the training oval. Then ran laps for 4 minutes at 3/4 pace, then a rest, then another 4 minutes of laps at 3/4 pace. Then a rest, then 400m in under 60 seconds. Then 1200m in less than 5 mins. Then 400m in less than 60. Then another 400m in less than 60. (With rests between every run.)

Another night sprinting. 50m in 7 seconds, 75m in 10 seconds, 100m in 14 seconds, 125 m in 18 seconds. Three sets of each.

Another night of sprints. 2 x 200m in 32 seconds, 2 x 300m in 50 seconds, 1 x 400m in 70 seconds, 1 x 300m in 50 seconds, 1 x 200m in 32 seconds.

Lots of variations on other nights of running & sprinting, different lengths, different mixes of run/sprint.

This was before Carlton (I think it was, early '80s) started to do 100 x 100m sprints in intervals which became the benchmark for basic VFL/AFL fitness. That's 10km of sprinting with another 10km more or less of walking back to the starting line!

I don't know what they do nowadays (apart from the odd mention of Gus and his 100x100s) but it must be truly frightening.

I gave this a vomit emoji not for the content but because just reading about all that running caused my stomach to heave.

[Bonkers 914]

4 hours ago, Flower Magic said:

Wow, I sure copped some heat for my concern for our players' wellbeing after Jake's fainting spell. Those replying (or face planting or even vomiting) seem to miss the point of my original post entirely. My question was simply why do such an onerous session in hot weather (and direct sun) and risk the players' health when it could have been done on a cooler day? Particularly given that this was the first scheduled training session for 2021/22. The best distance runners do not do their hardest workout on the first day back after a break, they build up to it, increasing the intensity as they get fitter. Okay, so football fitness is different to running fitness? Not so much any more. Any running program should be gradual. Throwing people into hard sessions on day 1 risks various injuries such as calf and achilles strains and even stress reactions or fractures. And doing them on warm or hot days risks heat exhaustion  which may cause, surprise surprise, fainting. But I never suggested that players should not do hard running on hot days. Of course they should, given that AFL venues now include Darwin, Alice Springs, Cairns etc. But not on day 1 in hot weather after a two month break unless all players have followed and adhered to strict running programs during their break, which I doubt is the case and certainly ain't for the new boys.

Any chance this is a vaccine injury? Have seen a lot in European soccer recently, also one report of a Crows top up player this/last week.

[Demonland 64,758]

7 hours ago, Action Jackson said:

I see Dogga's personal trainer will be working with Woewodin, Van Rooyen and McVee in Perth. I'd say given the timing they will all be coming over to Melbourne after Chrissy due to border restrictions.

Different world we live in, but it is amazing how much young players are being trusted to do the work. Wouldn't imagine this would be the case 20 years ago.

 

[Chook 14,467]

44 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

All I see is a premiership player and four of his biggest fans. It'll work.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Chook

[DEE fence 4,448]

If State of Origin ever starts again we'll have half the WA team-Won't know who to cheer for. 

Also pretty sure with all the WA players running around, our tv (do they still call them tv) ratings will stay reasonable in the west too.

[bing181 8,164]

2 hours ago, Bonkers said:

Any chance this is a vaccine injury?

No.

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

6 hours ago, Chook said:

All I see is a premiership player and four of his biggest fans. It'll work.

What a start in (football) life for these boys. Picked up by the best team going around, then mentored in their training by a future star of the game and premiership player. And he's just a boy himself! GO DEMONS!!!

[rpfc 27,434]

13 hours ago, Flower Magic said:

Wow, I sure copped some heat for my concern for our players' wellbeing after Jake's fainting spell. Those replying (or face planting or even vomiting) seem to miss the point of my original post entirely. My question was simply why do such an onerous session in hot weather (and direct sun) and risk the players' health when it could have been done on a cooler day? Particularly given that this was the first scheduled training session for 2021/22. The best distance runners do not do their hardest workout on the first day back after a break, they build up to it, increasing the intensity as they get fitter. Okay, so football fitness is different to running fitness? Not so much any more. Any running program should be gradual. Throwing people into hard sessions on day 1 risks various injuries such as calf and achilles strains and even stress reactions or fractures. And doing them on warm or hot days risks heat exhaustion  which may cause, surprise surprise, fainting. But I never suggested that players should not do hard running on hot days. Of course they should, given that AFL venues now include Darwin, Alice Springs, Cairns etc. But not on day 1 in hot weather after a two month break unless all players have followed and adhered to strict running programs during their break, which I doubt is the case and certainly ain't for the new boys.

So Burgess and Griffith are big on heat training as a way to increase the body’s ability to increase what it can do.

While I didn’t give you any ‘heat’ I did roll my eyes intensely at your posts because these people are professionals. It’s not an oversight - it’s the point. And their practices helped us win a flag.

Burgess talks about heat training in his podcast with Peter Brukner. I would advise you give that a listen.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,394]

9 hours ago, Bonkers said:

Any chance this is a vaccine injury? Have seen a lot in European soccer recently, also one report of a Crows top up player this/last week.

 

6 hours ago, bing181 said:

No.

Nice, direct response. But do we know this for sure? If the question is about a reaction to the vaccine based on zero evidence, we should also include all the other possibilities with equal likelihood of being the cause, including:

• lack of sleep brought on by young children
• insufficient fluid intake
• pollen allergy
• dodgy egg and bacon roll
• carbon monoxide poisoning from a fault in his car
• running too much or too hard
• minor throat infection
• etc

[titan_uranus 22,287]

14 hours ago, Flower Magic said:

Wow, I sure copped some heat for my concern for our players' wellbeing after Jake's fainting spell. Those replying (or face planting or even vomiting) seem to miss the point of my original post entirely. My question was simply why do such an onerous session in hot weather (and direct sun) and risk the players' health when it could have been done on a cooler day? Particularly given that this was the first scheduled training session for 2021/22. The best distance runners do not do their hardest workout on the first day back after a break, they build up to it, increasing the intensity as they get fitter. Okay, so football fitness is different to running fitness? Not so much any more. Any running program should be gradual. Throwing people into hard sessions on day 1 risks various injuries such as calf and achilles strains and even stress reactions or fractures. And doing them on warm or hot days risks heat exhaustion  which may cause, surprise surprise, fainting. But I never suggested that players should not do hard running on hot days. Of course they should, given that AFL venues now include Darwin, Alice Springs, Cairns etc. But not on day 1 in hot weather after a two month break unless all players have followed and adhered to strict running programs during their break, which I doubt is the case and certainly ain't for the new boys.

Because it's not a risk to the players' health.

[Demonland 64,758]

[Demonland 64,758]

 

[BDA 20,030]

1 minute ago, Demonland said:

 

Great work Ricky. Leading by example

[WalkingCivilWar 31,370]

32 minutes ago, BDA said:

Great work Ricky. Leading by example

There’s a future MFC captain if ever I saw one. 

[Dante 2,562]

 Dunstan certainly looks fit, not an ounce of fat on him so he looks like he will give it a big go.

[dworship 3,342]

11 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

 

• dodgy egg and bacon roll
• carbon monoxide poisoning from a fault in his car
• running too much or too hard
• minor throat infection
• etc

Ease up, never at Casey

Edited December 8, 2021 by dworship

[Gawndy the Great 7,320]

On 12/7/2021 at 1:40 PM, binman said:

Now the bolded bit is something i can relate to.

After many years of hard partying in my younger days, i learnt to pace myself much better.

First rule of partying - put the base down or ya gonna go face down (translation: have a solid feed before your first drink, or face the consequences)

Second rule - don't go too hard too early

Third rule (only applicable if the first two rules have been followed) - don't stop until the sun rises (and even then it is negotiable) 

As for being better for it, well that is disputable. 

Cant question that logic Binman..solid game plan.

[Anti-Saint 190]

On 12/7/2021 at 6:44 PM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I've enjoyed reading all your personal interval training stories. Personally, my interval training over the last 12 months has been superb. In November 2020 I walked down to the Queanbeyan post office to mail my membership subs to the club. Did the same three weeks ago. Never felt better. 

interval training not quite a walk to the post office annually!  but there are similarities to interval training: there is a regular pattern to your annual exercise plan!

[ManDee 7,076]

On 12/6/2021 at 6:17 PM, Wrecker46 said:

I read Lever passed out?

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Pies, KFC ?

[Kent 2,581]

On 12/7/2021 at 8:44 PM, DEE fence said:

Knees are definitely the weak link, tarmac = death. Rowing is the go, low impact but you can still smash the HR.

Also total respect for the 5min kloms, still puts you in top 10% of population. I just don't ont have much variety for entertainment.

Agree re rowing Intervals over 30minutes will test most peoples fitness as will 2000 metres  flatout out at 250 metres a minute

Also works entire body without any stress points modern machines allow you to row against the worlds best if that floats your boat