Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


3 More Years for Chris Scott


Demonland

Recommended Posts

12 hours ago, BoBo said:

It’s conceivable that by the end of Scott’s 3 years, Geelong will have no:

Hawkins

Selwood

Danger

Stanley

Smith

Thouy

Blicsavs (will be 34)

Rohan (will be 33)

Duncan (will be 33)

Menegola (will be 33)


Besides Stanley and Rohan (allergic to finals)… these are superstars or just out and out guns.

Even Tom Stewart and Cameron will be 32 by the 2025 season. 
 

I don’t see how they’re not going to fall off a cliff.

The cliff is referred to a few times in this thread and with good reason.

They will try again next year. No matter the level of their success, they will have no choice but to rebuild at the end of 2022. How are they going to do it?

Each year any club will have a few young players who haven't made the grade and need to be cut. You simply know they won't make it.

Combine this with the list BoBo provided in the quoted post and you have a serious problem. They won't me able to shed that many players that quickly otherwise they will be topping up with NQR delisted players from other clubs or delving into the deepest parts of the draft.

It will take 3 to 4 years. 

It will then take the players they have drafted at least 4 more to be a force. They are in for a world of pain. Free agency may be their only savior.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

The above stats are often quoted but an unrealstic guide to the Cats ability .

Each season they are 'guaranteed 8 or even 9 wins at home due to the draw not scheduling games against big teams in Geelong. Think Suns, Freo, sydney  .... Threats such as Bombers, Tiges, Dogs, Pies rarely ever or never play there over the past decade. Their problem will be in 2022 if the Dees are to play down there. That's one loss coming up.

Understandable given crowd size limts.

But this skews the outcomes and almost locks in at least a top 8 finish each year, only needing to win 4 or 5 games away from home.

Then when the heat is on at the end of the year , it shows.

Scott is still a very good coach but its a whole-of-club problem they need to address.

The ground dimensions don't help them away either.

Their record is an outlier is all I'm saying and not a predictor of finals sucess at the prelim/GF level when they play serious opposition at the G -(or Optus in WA).

We could argue the number of wins, I do agree they don’t get the big teams though, but his record is not just a reflection of home ground advantage. However I think a lot of the knocks on him as a coach are for matters perceived, and not actual. Some of their losses in Finals were pretty bloody close. They play a system, they play it well, he obviously has the teams attention, that doesn’t happen with smoke and mirrors, give the devil his due. All of that said, I think he needs a new game style, we have the keys for his. Unless he finds the next Wayne Carey that chip and pass style will be nothing without a marking beast at CHF, oh and I bet he copies us and comes up with some wing type players. The more I think about it, Melbourne validated having two good rucks in the modern era, and now we have validated wingers, hopefully the torp will come back soon and all will be well with the world (or at least Australia).

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/9/2021 at 8:06 AM, Mazer Rackham said:

The dilemma for the Cats is whether to keep their chip-and-possession game, rack up the wins at Kardinia, and get walloped in finals again.

Or change to a more bruising finals-ready style and have their senior citizens beaten up every week, then get walloped in the finals.

Either way its a Winner Winner chicken dinner for all other teams encountering Cats 🍗 Thats if er they make it at all next year🤣

Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, Cassiew said:

https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/380365/by-the-numbers-pies-and-cats
 Why do Collingwood get this preferential treatment from the AFL? They’re the only team that doesn’t have to wear an alternative strip (changing the position of logos is not alternate.) I can’t remember the last time we didn’t play Geelong in Geelong. So even during their post premiership years they didn’t have to give Geelong a home game. Totally unfair 

Collingwood aren’t the dominant force they once were. They are now 3rd on the membership ladder with every chance of slipping to 5th next year. They play a pretty ugly style of football and it is difficult to see them making any significant moves up the ladder. 
Melbourne are now the sexy side of the AFL and will be rewarded through the fixture. If the Pies have a poor start to the year and, assuming the rolling fixture remains, they may find themselves in the unfamiliar position of playing lots of Sunday afternoons and even, shock horror, down at Geelong. 

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Cassiew said:

1999. The last time they had to play down there. Really? Why do they get this preferential treatment from the AFL?

A certain celebrated TV host, radio announcer, foot-in-mouth hall of fame candidate, and headkicker, who was frequently on the warpath to AFL house and had the head honchos trembling every time.

He is no longer in a position of influence, so it will be very interesting to see how many times the mitey Pies have to go to Perth, Tassie, Geelong, or the G in the Sunday graveyard shift.

  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

49 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

Collingwood aren’t the dominant force they once were. They are now 3rd on the membership ladder with every chance of slipping to 5th next year. They play a pretty ugly style of football and it is difficult to see them making any significant moves up the ladder. 
Melbourne are now the sexy side of the AFL and will be rewarded through the fixture. If the Pies have a poor start to the year and, assuming the rolling fixture remains, they may find themselves in the unfamiliar position of playing lots of Sunday afternoons and even, shock horror, down at Geelong. 

The problem is that also means they didn’t have to play there in 2005, after finishing second last in 2004. So in an era where they finished second last and won a premiership, they still never had to make the trip. Them playing well or bad doesn’t seem to have any effect of them not playing there. Kardinia park is a graveyard for us, yet in all seriousness, I can’t remember a season we haven’t played there. Even after 2011 we had to play a game there. Perhaps someone could tell me when was the last time we didn’t play there. It seems completely unfair 

Edited by Cassiew
Link to comment
Share on other sites


2 hours ago, Cassiew said:

https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/380365/by-the-numbers-pies-and-cats
 

1999. The last time they had to play down there. Really? Why do they get this preferential treatment from the AFL? They’re the only team that doesn’t have to wear an alternative strip (changing the position of logos is not alternate.) I can’t remember the last time we didn’t play Geelong in Geelong. So even during their post premiership years they didn’t have to give Geelong a home game. Totally unfair 

Right on all counts CW,

but I reckon now the chickens have come home to roost and the cats false sense of entitlement over past lost decade, unsuccessful  in GF terms, have left them nowehere to hide now and nowehere to go for next few years.  I also suspect their idea of being a detsination club who plays finals won't cut it with top players . 

Jeremey Camerons ambiton for a flag disintegrated at the hands of the Dees publicly in the Prelim. Window shut that night.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, DEE fence said:

We could argue the number of wins, I do agree they don’t get the big teams though, but his record is not just a reflection of home ground advantage. However I think a lot of the knocks on him as a coach are for matters perceived, and not actual. Some of their losses in Finals were pretty bloody close. They play a system, they play it well, he obviously has the teams attention, that doesn’t happen with smoke and mirrors, give the devil his due. All of that said, I think he needs a new game style, we have the keys for his. Unless he finds the next Wayne Carey that chip and pass style will be nothing without a marking beast at CHF, oh and I bet he copies us and comes up with some wing type players. The more I think about it, Melbourne validated having two good rucks in the modern era, and now we have validated wingers, hopefully the torp will come back soon and all will be well with the world (or at least Australia).

Agreed and I noted Scott was a very good coach for all your reasons above.

But each year pencil in 9 home game wins and your on a roll. Its a matter of where you land in the 8, not, IF you make the 8.

Transitory view of success showed out in the Prelim in an embarrassing manner

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

In the preliminary final Geelong's 2nd youngest player was Gryan Miers, who was 22 years old. We had 8 players in that game younger than Miers, whilst Geelong had 1 (Max Holmes). 

Our second oldest player in that game was Max Gawn, who was 29 years old. Geelong had 11 players older than Gawn, whilst we had 1 (Hibberd).

They're probably right to try to keep wringing whatever performance they can out of this group because, really, what's the alternative? They have 11 players under 22 on their list and they have combined for 42 games in total .... of which 29 have been played by Jordan Clark who is leaving. It's pretty dire.

We had to buy a couple of snails for our fish tank Recently to suck up the scum. 

We called them Joel and Patrick.

I think Joel has gone into his shell or died.

  • Haha 15
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Cassiew said:

https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/380365/by-the-numbers-pies-and-cats
 

1999. The last time they had to play down there. Really? Why do they get this preferential treatment from the AFL? They’re the only team that doesn’t have to wear an alternative strip (changing the position of logos is not alternate.) I can’t remember the last time we didn’t play Geelong in Geelong. So even during their post premiership years they didn’t have to give Geelong a home game. Totally unfair 

Either have Essendon or Hawthorn.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/9/2021 at 10:56 AM, Nasher said:

..................................

The cliff is coming. Scott doesn’t see out his three years, and Geelong are set back further by not having recognised the need for a strategy change earlier. It is going to be magnificent.

Scott out by end of 2022.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I seriously doubt they will make the finals in 2022. Then they will have a big payout to consider. Stars are fading fast. They will start to get beaten at home then it will really hit the fan 

  • Like 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I actually think he is a very good coach. The players love him, his leaders play for him, and the young players are devoted to him in a way Clarry, Trac and Brayshaw are to Goodwin at the Dees. His record is very good, but their striving for success has a very hard outer limit, especially in 2 ways:

Game style. The chip and charge, incremental "game of inches" requires a skill set that the Cats under Mark Thompson might have got away with (amazing skills those teams). But even those cats of 07 09 and 11 did not chip and charge, they flung it around with breathtakingly quick handballs and kicks. The chip and charge method comes unstuck under fierce pressure and clearly struggles in the finals campaigns.

List management/recruiting. If bringing in elite older talent to support your list is not your main strategy, it can work. Hawks 2013 - 2015, Dees 2021. But if it dominates your strategy and costs you young draft picks, and even the young talent you do get are starved of opportunity, it is a dream killer. Higgins was a recent terrible decision, and even now they have decided to keep Gary Rohan. Bewildering. 

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


If the Cats start getting belted regularly at Kardinia Park, the State governments $ 120 + million investment into the ground is going to look like an ordinary idea.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Still it was nice that Scott was able to help Dangerfield achieve his dream.................. of being closer to his family. 

  • Like 2
  • Love 1
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/10/2021 at 10:14 AM, Cassiew said:

The problem is that also means they didn’t have to play there in 2005, after finishing second last in 2004. So in an era where they finished second last and won a premiership, they still never had to make the trip. Them playing well or bad doesn’t seem to have any effect of them not playing there. Kardinia park is was once a graveyard for us, yet in all seriousness, I can’t remember a season we haven’t played there. Even after 2011 we had to play a game there. Perhaps someone could tell me when was the last time we didn’t play there. It seems completely unfair 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

If the Cats start getting belted regularly at Kardinia Park, the State governments $ 120 + million investment into the ground is going to look like an ordinary idea.

May have been better to invest in the MFC however there are no votes to gained by doing that.

  • Like 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 262

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...