Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Farewell Luke Jackson


Lucifers Hero

Recommended Posts

14 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Not that hard being a journo, I'm sure both WCE and Freo have offers in front of Jackson.

Freo don't really need him though, WCE are in dire need to replace Nic Nat.  They would need to back end an offer as you have a few players pulling way to much out off the club at the moment.

I still think Jackson stays for  2 years and Brayshaw will be gone 

  • Thanks 1
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

24 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Not that hard being a journo, I'm sure both WCE and Freo have offers in front of Jackson.

Freo don't really need him though, WCE are in dire need to replace Nic Nat.  They would need to back end an offer as you have a few players pulling way to much out off the club at the moment.

I still think Jackson stays for  2 years and Brayshaw will be gone 

Pretty much. Pearce, Logue, Aish, Acres, Brodie out of contract this year and Ryan, Serong, Tucker, Schultz, Lobb next year. All key parts of their success so far this season. With a group that is buzzing I struggle to see why they would break the bank for Jackson but stranger things have happened I guess.. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This whole talk of Fremantle pitching Jackson is like Melbourne pitching Adam Cerra, but Luke Jackson is worth double the price. If Cerra was pick 6 and at the time a mid 3rd rounder which brings it to pick 4ish. Fremantle can't trade their first this year as they traded out their 2nd and 3rd round picks. Even if they could, pick 16-18 is not anywhere close, and next year 16-18 is nowhere close, which means players. Which players combined with a future first adds up to 2 good top ten picks in value? 

Jye Amiss, Hayden Young and a future first? Are they going to be able to pay the price required to bring Jackson in? 

At the end of the day when Gawn is close to retiring we have Jeff White's son Kalani. I doubt Jackson would move to the Eagles. Not impossible for Freo to take Jackson away from us but far fetched they have the collateral to get it done. It is probably only between us and Freo at this point. 

Freo upping the coin to bring Jackson in will mean they have to let go a couple of decent players on good coin to bring him in and have the money to keep their younger brigade in the next contract cycle. They will probably have to trade Lobb and Logue, and maybe plan on Fyffe and Mayne leaving in 1-2 years (or on a tiny salary beyond that), without bringing any free agents in to cover depth. In the short run their depth is weaker, and dropping their overall talent...high risk high reward. Meanwhile Melbourne will have extra cash set aside for Jackson as well as these young prospects and additional pick to further increase our depth. Jackson is a potential superstar and will be missed but strangely enough, in our premiership window we probably get stronger for the next 4 years and Freo weaker in the same period. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

Pretty much. Pearce, Logue, Aish, Acres, Brodie out of contract this year and Ryan, Serong, Tucker, Schultz, Lobb next year. All key parts of their success so far this season. With a group that is buzzing I struggle to see why they would break the bank for Jackson but stranger things have happened I guess.. 

you are right, to fit him in and remunerate him far in excess of the dees they lose most of these players and they lose their depth and their talent on field for the next 3-5 years takes a significant hit all to bring in Jackson, while making us potentially stronger in the next 2-4 years...agree stranger things have happened. Lot of pressure for Jackson to be a top 10 player in the future if they do that. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

My question is, why would WCE want to sacrifice what would essentially be a range of early round draft pics to get Jackson, when it would mean sacrificing a rebuilt of the team?  Melbourne would want a fair bit of compensation for Dogga, which I'm not convince WCE would be in a position to give up, given the dire state of their list.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Geez it's obvious when these media commentators pull a story out of their behinds, Unsigned W.A player receives significant offer from W.A team, i mean come on. 

hopefully Dogga re-signs over the bye weekend just to make him look stupid

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Both Freo and WC are just doing the "ground work" required to make a move on Jackson at the end of his next contract with Melbourne, i.e. in 3 years time, or when he hits free agency... Looking to influence Luke's term with Melbourne to map it to their needs and plans.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

35 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

My question is, why would WCE want to sacrifice what would essentially be a range of early round draft pics to get Jackson, when it would mean sacrificing a rebuilt of the team?  Melbourne would want a fair bit of compensation for Dogga, which I'm not convince WCE would be in a position to give up, given the dire state of their list.

A 21 year old premiership ruckman, not a bad player to get to start your rebuild.  They still have the bones of a good midfield if they can get fit.  Yeo, Kelly, Shuey still have 3 to 5 years in them.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can't see how any team would have the currency to get Jackson, a young Ruck /forward,  who has had such an impact at his age, normally you would have to wait 5 years plus to see signs of a big man even just making it at the level, look at Weed as a example... we are still waiting. Jackson is untouchable imo.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

I can't see how any team would have the currency to get Jackson, a young Ruck /forward,  who has had such an impact at his age, normally you would have to wait 5 years plus to see signs of a big man even just making it at the level, look at Weed as a example... we are still waiting. Jackson is untouchable imo.

It's pretty tough to assess what Jacksons value would be beyond to say i think personally i'd want an established player and picks, i think losing Jackson, having that immediate impact would be beneficial rather than purely just draft picks, especially if he went to Fremantle where the picks are more likely to be in the teens 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Nascent said:

 

Interesting. Obviously want him to stay but if he goes their top 2 pick would have to form part of the deal.

Isn't he out of contract at the end of the seasaon? I don't believe WC have to give us anything?

Would be interesting the compensation pick for Jackson.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


4 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

Isn't he out of contract at the end of the seasaon? I don't believe WC have to give us anything?

Would be interesting the compensation pick for Jackson.

I think because he's not a free agent we either do a deal or he slides through to the Pre Season Draft where they could take him free. 

Hopefully someone can explain it better but it could be a case of taking what we can get if he decides to go. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

My question is, why would WCE want to sacrifice what would essentially be a range of early round draft pics to get Jackson, when it would mean sacrificing a rebuilt of the team?  Melbourne would want a fair bit of compensation for Dogga, which I'm not convince WCE would be in a position to give up, given the dire state of their list.

Trading Pick 2 to secure a player who is probably going to be better than the player they could draft, especially a gun KPF/Ruck/Utility Mid - would hardly compromise a rebuild. 

Having said that, on the proviso that Lachie Weller was traded for Pick 2, we should be asking for 2 First rounders and an early Second..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

45 minutes ago, layzie said:

I think because he's not a free agent we either do a deal or he slides through to the Pre Season Draft where they could take him free. 

Hopefully someone can explain it better but it could be a case of taking what we can get if he decides to go. 

He's not a free agent so West Coast will have to trade for him.

In theory they can try and walk him through to the pre-season draft where Jackson can nominate contract terms but this rarely happens. If they finish 17th then they run the risk of North Melbourne claiming him who will definitely have the salary cap space to match.

For him to go through to the PSD and nominate contract terms, Jackson would have to be a willing participant and would essentially be giving the middle finger to the club that drafted him, also his mates, and delivered him a premiership (hopefully two). It won't happen.

If he wants to go home, we'll get a trade done. How favourable it is will remain to be seen. Their first round pick is non negotiable at the very least in my view.

Edited by Nascent
  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

Trading Pick 2 to secure a player who is probably going to be better than the player they could draft, especially a gun KPF/Ruck/Utility Mid - would hardly compromise a rebuild. 

Having said that, on the proviso that Lachie Weller was traded for Pick 2, we should be asking for 2 First rounders and an early Second..

Melbourne's price is going to be high.  Does either WCE or Freo have the currency?  Does Freo have room in their salary cap?  All valid questions.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Nascent said:

He's not a free agent so West Coast will have to trade for him.

In theory they can try and walk him through to the pre-season draft where Jackson can nominate contract terms but this rarely happens. If they finish 17th then they run the risk of North Melbourne claiming him who will definitely have the salary cap space to match terms.

For him to go through to the PSD and nominate contract terms, Jackson would have to be a willing participant and would essentially be giving the middle finger to the club that drafted him, also his mates, and delivered him a premiership (hopefully two). It won't happen.

If he wants to go home, we'll get a trade done. How favourable it is will remain to be seen. Their first round pick is non negotiable at the very least in my view.

Exactly, I would think a deal gets done if he decides to go. Very rarely happens these days it was much more of a thing before FA when it was the only way other than trade period for players to switch teams. You could maybe say with the threat of PSD it may give WC a tiny bit of bargaining power than if he were contracted next year for instance but then again we could always deal with another club that gives us a better offer, or he could change his mind and stay. So I'm not too worried about adequate compensation if he goes. We just may not be able to demand the world for him.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am intrigued as to what the MFC offer is. The Media want him to go, it sells airtime and newspapers. 
But LJ is yet to say a word 

 

5 years on good money. But likely not what WC and Freo are offering. 

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

58 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

Isn't he out of contract at the end of the seasaon? I don't believe WC have to give us anything?

Would be interesting the compensation pick for Jackson.

Ok so no.

Here are the scenarios - the only scenarios;

- Re-sign

- Traded for ND2 + change.

- Goes into Pre-Season Draft for nothing

There endeth the lesson.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 263

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...