Farewell Luke Jackson

[dazzledavey36 48,706]

8 hours ago, deejammin' said:

Great info thanks!

I seem to recall Petty being a bit of a shining light as a forward in 2019 when everything was going pear shaped? His goal kicking let him down a bit but he showed a lot that year.

EDIT: Had a look at the stats Harry played 10 games, mainly as a forward in 2019. He took 43 marks and kicked 6 goals 5 behinds. Not great, not bad, he’s a much better more confident player now, it would be interesting.

In comparison to Sam Weideman this year who's played 8 games this year for only 23 marks. If it's true that we're playing Petty up forward then you'd think it's just about lights out for Weideman's time at Melbourne. 

I've always been a fan of Petty as a forward because he looked just as natural up there as he does down back. I personally didn't think they'd trial it this year especially so late in the season but it certainly can't hurt to try it.

With Daniel Turner signed up for 2 years and someone who's rated enormously high, maybe this could be a position switch going into next year with Petty to play up forward and Turner to take his spot down back.

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9 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Makes sense.  The impact (upside/downside) of playing Tomo (as long as it's in form Tomo) vs Petty as the 3rd tall defender will probably be marginal IMV.

However, the potential upside of playing Petty forward (if he slots into that role quicky enough)?  Reckon many will be coming out after a few matches and all saying "why did we/SG not try this earlier!"

My gut feel is both Petty and Smith are both better forwards (natural playing instincts/ability) than they are defenders.  More so Petty.  That's not to say Petty is an ordinary defender... pretty solid.

Have always thought this.

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4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

In comparison to Sam Weideman this year who's played 8 games this year for only 23 marks. If it's true that we're playing Petty up forward then you'd think it's just about lights out for Weideman's time at Melbourne. 

I've always been a fan of Petty as a forward because he looked just as natural up there as he does down back. I personally didn't think they'd trial it this year especially so late in the season but it certainly can't hurt to try it.

With Daniel Turner signed up for 2 years and someone who's rated enormously high, maybe this could be a position switch going into next year with Petty to play up forward and Turner to take his spot down back.

Weed can ruck so he's important esp if Luke walks.

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10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

In comparison to Sam Weideman this year who's played 8 games this year for only 23 marks. If it's true that we're playing Petty up forward then you'd think it's just about lights out for Weideman's time at Melbourne. 

I've always been a fan of Petty as a forward because he looked just as natural up there as he does down back. I personally didn't think they'd trial it this year especially so late in the season but it certainly can't hurt to try it.

With Daniel Turner signed up for 2 years and someone who's rated enormously high, maybe this could be a position switch going into next year with Petty to play up forward and Turner to take his spot down back.

I think we need to give Weid an opportunity to develop elsewhere. You cant just flip a switch and expect a player who has been playing all his life as a forward to suddenly become impactful in another position. Give him a pre-season in defense or as ruck relief and see how he goes. 

As for LJ, If what he is being offered is true, that is mammoth deal and shows how much they value him. They cannot come to us with anything less than two first rounders (one being top 5) plus a solid starting mid 20's player (doubt it will be any of their key stars though). 

Edited July 20, 2022 by CYB

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12 hours ago, goodwindees said:

Two weeks ago I was told by a Player Agent based in Perth, albeit not Luke’s Agent, that the offer is 8 years at 10.3 million from Freo. 

If that figure is anywhere near true, you go home, play at the club your family is connected with, who are your  supported club and they are currently top 4, it imo is a no brainer for Jacko and he is gone.

I don’t think we would get anywhere near that offer and nor should we.

Do the best deal Dees and don’t get shafted. 

Freo offer a ridiculous salary and should pay a commensurate trade.

We should get a very good player, a top pick and maybe Meek as steak knives.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Redleg

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15 minutes ago, CYB said:

I think we need to give Weid an opportunity to develop elsewhere. You cant just flip a switch and expect a player who has been playing all his life as a forward to suddenly become impactful in another position. Give him a pre-season in defense or as ruck relief and see how he goes. 

As for LJ, If what he is being offered is true, that is mammoth deal and shows how much they value him. They cannot come to us with anything less than two first rounders (one being top 5) plus a solid starting mid 20's player (doubt it will be any of their key stars though). 

 

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

If that figure is anywhere near true, you go home, play at the club your family is connected with, who are your  supported club and they are currently top 4, it imo is a no brainer for Jacko and he is gone.

I don’t think we would get anywhere near that offer and nor should we.

Do the best deal Dees and don’t get shafted. 

Freo offer a ridiculous salary and should pay a commensurate trade.

We should get a very good player, a top pick and maybe Meek as steak knives.

Yep, if I'm Luke I'm absolutely taking that offer and running. Unbelievable deal.

For our sake, I agree with @CYB, if you're willing to cough up that amount of ridiculous money and contract then be willing to cough up big for picks.

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12 hours ago, picket fence said:

Alright alright settle down.... Maybe I overeacted a tad but..... I dont like losing PREMIERSHIP players for Money....

I say to my clients... If you love what you do, and work for great employers, then not only will you be well looked after but you will Lurve being around ur mates in a great workplace...

I'll leave it there

Great post here picket.

Summed up well in that Luke leaves for a life changing  figure and best wishes to him , but an absurd, amount and leaves behind a club with great culture and leadership to lets face it to a club that will always come second to the behemoth that is the eagles in Perth.

I would be mortified if LJ was offered more or even equal to proven elites in Trac and Oliver around whom the club brand is building nicely.

 

 

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13 hours ago, goodwindees said:

Two weeks ago I was told by a Player Agent based in Perth, albeit not Luke’s Agent, that the offer is 8 years at 10.3 million from Freo. 

They must think he's the next  Buddy Franklin, good luck with that.

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12 hours ago, goodwindees said:

I believe the Footy Dept are extremely happy & positive about Van Rooyen, in fact they believe he will be a very special player, however, don’t expect to see him this year.

Joel Smith is currently training as a Forward, and there is growing interest in retaining Tomlinson and playing Petty as a forward. 
 

 

Yep, I'd be playing Petty forward this year too. Long term he'll be a star back, but we have Tomlinson and Turner as cover.

TMac is still 6-8 weeks away, so I'd say he's just about done for the season. When that becomes known, I reckon we'll ultimately go with Petty.

JVR comes in next year and Petty goes back again. 

It would also explain why Smith is training forward, as we'll be fully stocked with KPDs, but short in the forwardline.

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6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Yep, if I'm Luke I'm absolutely taking that offer and running. Unbelievable deal.

For our sake, I agree with @CYB, if you're willing to cough up that amount of ridiculous money and contract then be willing to cough up big for picks.

You can imagine Bell’s opening line. “ we only want to give a kid the chance to come home and eat his mum’s cooking and watch TV on the couch with his family. He’s not that great a player and might never be one. So what will you give us to take him off your hands and free up some salary cap room?”

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As long as we hold firm with what we want, we'll win out. That's my prediction. 

Even projecting forward. Jackson is great and will be one of the best ruckmen. 

But I disagree about the generational player stuff. 

And I have greater trust in our recruiters and that we will land another beauty and have greater trading power for an established gun. 

We don't lose imo as long as we don't cave to Freo. 

Edited July 21, 2022 by JimmyGadson

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1 minute ago, JimmyGadson said:

But I disagree about the generational player stuff. 

Agree, some of the descriptions placed on him have been a bit off the mark.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

In comparison to Sam Weideman this year who's played 8 games this year for only 23 marks. If it's true that we're playing Petty up forward then you'd think it's just about lights out for Weideman's time at Melbourne. 

I've always been a fan of Petty as a forward because he looked just as natural up there as he does down back. I personally didn't think they'd trial it this year especially so late in the season but it certainly can't hurt to try it.

With Daniel Turner signed up for 2 years and someone who's rated enormously high, maybe this could be a position switch going into next year with Petty to play up forward and Turner to take his spot down back.

I think if Weid can’t get back in the team while TMac is out and JVR is being developed this year he’s probably either going to request a trade or move to another position. If LJ goes our list is light on for talls who can ruck so I don’t think we’d want to lose him, but he’ll be behind JVR for a forward spot and would need to work hard to perfect that second ruck/forward spot (that interestingly Gawny said was his best position on Gus and Gawny last week).

I don’t think his time is up, we still need talls, but with a sore Ben Brown with Petty as his competition and no TMac he’s not going to get much better opportunities and he’ll need to show something better than he has over the next run of weeks. If Lever is out Petty needs to play back though so Sam might get another shot.

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The fact the Eagles have pick 2... or even 1 in the pre-season draft is perfect for us.

We just hold out until we get the deal we want.

If Freo come with that kind of offer, they better be ready with stuff to get it done or they look like idiots.

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3 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

The fact the Eagles have pick 2... or even 1 in the pre-season draft is perfect for us.

We just hold out until we get the deal we want.

If Freo come with that kind of offer, they better be ready with stuff to get it done or they look like idiots.

You do realise that when they look like idiots, we would have got nothing for Jackson? 

…

Because we would look like idiots too…

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54 minutes ago, loges said:

They must think he's the next  Buddy Franklin, good luck with that.

He could be elite and if the offer is true, that's what they'll be investing in

Personally, I believe he could be great player as he has all the basic requirements.  So we might be losing a real talent, regardless

Marking the bloke down is a natural tendency especially if we know he is leaving.  We won't want him to be exceptional in those circumstances

But it's my belief that he is not necessarily gone anyway.  Freo still have to come to the party.  If not, we'll reach a stalemate

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by Macca

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7 minutes ago, Macca said:

He could be elite and if the offer is true, that's what they'll be investing in

Personally, I believe he could be elite as he has all the basic requirements.  So we might be losing a real talent, regardless

Marking the bloke down is a natural tendency especially if we know he is leaving.  We won't want him to be exceptional in those circumstances

But it's my belief that he is not necessarily gone anyway.  Freo still have to come to the party.  If not, we'll reach a stalemate

 

I guess the point I was trying to make was that Buddy was already elite when he got his big contact, as promising as Jackson is he's still a work in progress.

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$10.3 over 8 to me equals 3 first round picks, or 2 first rounders, an early second and a player of quality. Not sure if Meek is that.

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As much as I love Dogga, I also think he’s lacking a certain maturity. As was I at his age and way more so! 

If, as certain  “in the know” posters are saying,  he’s gone, then we need to get around him as a team and get the absolute best out of him NOW. He may allow himself to be distracted by it all and that’s just rubbing salt into wounds.  We’re a chance for a flag and he’s a big part of that. So i hope the team supports him and we get the absolute best out of him possible in the push fr a flag THIS year. 

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3 minutes ago, loges said:

I guess the point I was trying to make was that Buddy was already elite when he got his big contact, as promising as Jackson is he's still a work in progress.

I agree but Jackson has enormous potential and a huge upside

His game against the Lions just a few weeks ago gave us a glimpse on how good he can be

If it comes to it the club should take the stance that we are selling a star ... and you never sell yourself short

 

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If the reports of 10.3 over 8 are true. this is the minimum I will be accepting from freo.

2x 1st Rounders (One being a top 5 pick) and one of Serong/Young.

 

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14 hours ago, goodwindees said:

retaining Tomlinson

Interesting considered language re: Tomlinson...

Edited July 21, 2022 by Engorged Onion

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Future revenue streams are the unknown when it comes to big long term contracts.

For example Australian cricket is likely to get $40M a year for the Indian rights to stream Australian games played in Australia.

10 years is two broadcast deals. While times are challenging the last two broadcast deals have seen revenue growth of significant amounts.

Then there are the gambling rights

Maybe Jackson is selling himself short

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5 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Interesting considered language re: Tomlinson...

Language by who?

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48 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

I think if Weid can’t get back in the team while TMac is out and JVR is being developed this year he’s probably either going to request a trade or move to another position. If LJ goes our list is light on for talls who can ruck so I don’t think we’d want to lose him, but he’ll be behind JVR for a forward spot and would need to work hard to perfect that second ruck/forward spot (that interestingly Gawny said was his best position on Gus and Gawny last week).

I don’t think his time is up, we still need talls, but with a sore Ben Brown with Petty as his competition and no TMac he’s not going to get much better opportunities and he’ll need to show something better than he has over the next run of weeks. If Lever is out Petty needs to play back though so Sam might get another shot.

Weid likely won’t go anywhere. Still has a year on his contract and there will be little interest in him if he wants a trade. Will continue to be spare parts. He still has a chance to turn things around but  it will be an uphill battle for him.

Edited July 21, 2022 by John Crow Batty