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MFC player racially abused on social media - club statement


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17 minutes ago, dieter said:

I agree: my father was conscripted into the Wehrmacht in 1941. He was17. His first gig was the road to Stalingrad.

Sorry to hear that. I cannot start to imagine how shocking that would be. 
i hope your Dad came home….

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7 minutes ago, Macca said:

All of it ... it's mostly unnecessary though (the abuse)

I'm more interested in how games are really won ... real ralent, good game plan and top coaching

Umpiring decisions make up about 5% - 10%  of a game in my view so the abuse is so over the top. Some decisions are vital of course

What do the umpires make  ... 40 decisions?

But both teams combined make up to a 1000 decisions by hand or foot.  And that's without all the 2-way running and running to position

You have completely dodged the main question I have asked.

You have brought umpire abuse into a discussion about racial abuse and by implication you are saying that they are comparable.

You’ve then said that the ‘gap’ between racial abuse and umpire abuse is ‘too far’

I’ve then asked you to substantiate why my points that umpire abuse and racial abuse are too far apart and what is the content of the abuse that umpires get…

and you’ve answered with stats about the game and given answers to questions I didn’t ask.

So I’ll ask again:

How is abusing an umpire in any way, the same weight of insulting or racially abusing an indigenous person?

Just answer this question directly please.

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2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sorry to hear that. I cannot start to imagine how shocking that would be. 
i hope your Dad came home….

He was lucky: a bullet grazed his skull in Kharkov and he was flown back to Leipzig, he recovered, was sent to Bordeaux and Italy where he deserted because he could not stand any more bulldust. He was a good man. He tried to save a Russian prisoner he had taken, a boy his age, but he was ordered to shoot him. He walked away. Someone else did the deed. He was never punished for disobeying this order.

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1 minute ago, dieter said:

He was lucky: a bullet grazed his skull in Kharkov and he was flown back to Leipzig, he recovered, was sent to Bordeaux and Italy where he deserted because he could not stand any more bulldust. He was a good man. He tried to save a Russian prisoner he had taken, a boy his age, but he was ordered to shoot him. He walked away. Someone else did the deed. He was never punished for disobeying this order.

Meanwhile we argue about Toilet Rolls before Lockdown 

We know nothing of a hard life in Australia. Sometimes i wish we did, but then i am thankful that we don’t….

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7 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

 Correct, I am not.  But the essence of indigenous villification cannot be compared to verbally abusing umpires.  The perpetuation or tolerance of racism through the agency of the likes of Trump is relevant to this topic.  I do not have the power to shut you down.  i am just asking that if you and Macca want to debate the relativity of umpire abuse to racism - as is the title of this topic - then have your own debate through personal messaging.  It devalues the essence of the importance of racism that you continue to equate the 2 issues.

Ok, if myself and Macca were equating the two issues then I would agree.

This is not what’s happening.

Macca is equating the two issues.

I am making him substantiate his claims which I already know full well that he can’t and that the comparison is ridiculous and obscene in and of itself.

It’s worth people seeing this as again, these kinds of comparisons are used to diminish the gravity of racism.

I’m showing how ludicrous these comparisons are.

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1 minute ago, BoBo said:

Ok, if myself and Macca were equating the two issues then I would agree.

This is not what’s happening.

Macca is equating the two issues.

I am making him substantiate his claims which I already know full well that he can’t and that the comparison is ridiculous and obscene in and of itself.

It’s worth people seeing this as again, these kinds of comparisons are used to diminish the gravity of racism.

I’m showing how ludicrous these comparisons are.

No you are not.  You are appeasing him by engaging in such a fruitless discussion, which is off topic.  Stay out or take it off line.  Like I said previously, the "debate" between you and Macca has become tedious and is less than edifying.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, BoBo said:

You have brought umpire abuse into a discussion about racial abuse and by implication you are saying that they are comparable.

I've already answered your question

"Short answer - no" ... did you miss that bit?

Abuse is abuse ... I'm against other forms of abuse but pertaining to this site the abuse extends to posters abusing other posters, player abuse and the biggie ... Umpire abuse

What is obvious to me is that many don't have a problem with some areas of abuse but are red hot on some other areas of abuse

And that's ok with me ... I knew all that upon entering this thread

I see things differently ... what's the big deal?

 

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13 minutes ago, Macca said:

I've already answered your question

"Short answer - no" ... did you miss that bit?

Abuse is abuse ... I'm against other forms of abuse but pertaining to this site the abuse extends to posters abusing other posters, player abuse and the biggie ... Umpire abuse

What is obvious to me is that many don't have a problem with some areas of abuse but are red hot on some other areas of abuse

And that's ok with me ... I knew all that upon entering this thread

I see things differently ... what's the big deal?


 

See? You’ve pivoted away from my question again (which directly related to your previous answers)

I asked you ‘what is the content of the abuse that is generally aimed at umpires that you disagree with? As in, is their abuse about the class of people they are in the society? Or is it based upon their actions as umpires?’

You ignored the characterisation of the abuse part of the question and then stated:

 All of it.

You then went on to talk about stats of the game which was bizarre.

So you’re argument is then that any abuse that an umpire receives is as bad as racial abuse.

Which is as ridiculous and obscene as it sounds.

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You also said that racial abuse and umpire abuse is comparable given it’s about ‘actual words said and the context… short answer no.’

You’ve then stated that the ‘gap’ between umpire abuse and racial abuse is ‘too large’
 

Again, the implication of this answer is that racial abuse and umpire abuse is comparable.

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Above, you’ve clearly stated that ‘Abuse is abuse’

Yet again, you are implying that umpire abuse and racial abuse are on a comparative level.

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I can’t reflect your own words back to you again. You clearly see umpire abuse and racial abuse as comparable given the ‘context’ and the ‘actual words’.

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So again, for the 3rd time, the short answer you speak of and this ‘gap’… 

Tell me directly: 

How in any way is umpire abuse comparable to racial abuse? Give me the words and context that have happened to prove your point. 

 

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2 minutes ago, BoBo said:

See? You’ve pivoted away from my question again (which directly related to your previous answers)

I asked you ‘what is the content of the abuse that is generally aimed at umpires that you disagree with? As in, is their abuse about the class of people they are in the society? Or is it based upon their actions as umpires?’

You ignored the characterisation of the abuse part of the question and then stated:

 All of it.

You then went on to talk about stats of the game which was bizarre.

So you’re argument is then that any abuse that an umpire receives is as bad as racial abuse.

Which is as ridiculous and obscene as it sounds.

——————————————————————————

You also said that racial abuse and umpire abuse is comparable given it’s about ‘actual words said and the context… short answer no.’

You’ve then stated that the ‘gap’ between umpire abuse and racial abuse is ‘too large’
 

Again, the implication of this answer is that racial abuse and umpire abuse is comparable.

————————————————————————

Above, you’ve clearly stated that ‘Abuse is abuse’

Yet again, you are implying that umpire abuse and racial abuse are on a comparative level.

————————————————————————

I can’t reflect your own words back to you again. You clearly see umpire abuse and racial abuse as comparable given the ‘context’ and the ‘actual words’.

————————————————————————

So again, for the 3rd time, the short answer you speak of and this ‘gap’… 

Tell me directly: 

How in any way is umpire abuse comparable to racial abuse? Give me the words and context that have happened to prove your point. 

 

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45 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

No you are not.  You are appeasing him by engaging in such a fruitless discussion, which is off topic.  Stay out or take it off line.  Like I said previously, the "debate" between you and Macca has become tedious and is less than edifying.

 

 

 

Ok, I disagree.

I don’t think it’s a fruitless discussion and I don’t think it’s off topic.

If other people also think I’m being over the top then genuinely let me know and I’ll stick to footy.

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