POSTGAME: Rd 19 vs Western Bulldogs

[deegirl 1,282]

Random comment

There’s a few on our list that don’t know their limits & opt for the fancy rather than the safe  ANB, Harmes and Viney are my key offenders  

For a bloke who has no time, ANB cruises around like he’s Scott Pendlebury. 

Harmes is about the dumbest footballer alive

And Viney, I respect his hardness for the contest, but he’s completely one sided and often tries to do too much.  
 

ANB & Harmes are role players and need to deliver consistency rather than one flashy contribution every 6 weeks. 

[jnrmac 18,913]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

We play boring football which doesn’t help.

 

So predictable. 

May kicks it to the left side 90% of the time.

On forward thrusts we kick to the pockets where we can t score

We let the opp'n have free players on their defensive side of stoppages - Daniel, Bont, Smith carved us up

We got beaten again on the outside 

We kicked poorly again

Our play on percentages were hoprrendously low compared to the Dogs

The only time we looked  dangerous was when we got the ball quickly into our fwd line.

We are a slow motion car crash. What a waste.

[jnrmac 18,913]

1 hour ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Not concerned at all by that loss. It is July lets see what happens in September. That is when it counts

Just need to do enough to finish top 4 

Thanks Simon

You can pull your head out of the sand now 

[jnrmac 18,913]

Salem has been in poor form since his week off and his reported mystery injury.

In the 9 games where he has 19 or more possessions, we win.

 

The Dogs got 6 goals from defensive stopages which shows our set ups are appalling. When the ball hots the ground our defence seems to fall apart.

 

Watched replay of the first qtr here are some highlights:

19:18 to go. Gawn is shepherded out of a ruck contest by McRae - no free Ump 22

19:05 Weightman runs into the back of Salem as Gawn marks. Throws his hands up and gets a free

16:58 Brown misses a sitter in front of goal

15:32 Salem let's Bont get clear to kick a goal

15:31 Salem and Gus running with Libba towards boundary. No talk Libba halves contest

14:20 Fritsch misses easy target

14:22 ANB misses easy target

14:88 Hannan gifted a free - Hibberd push in the back. Simply not there. Hannan flew without a realistic chance should have been a mleb free

13:43 Bont knees May in the head - probably accidental but May was bending  down top pick up the ball - where is the outrage? Yet media is calling for Pickett had clash to be investigated??!?!

11:48 Weightman flies for speccy - nowhere near the ball. No free to melb.

10:52 Dog was supn 360deg in a tackle, On the ground and handballs yet gets a free?

9:55 McRae mark that travelled 10m. Even BT and Richo questioned it.

5:24 Bruce attempted spoil gets lever over shoulder no free

5:11 Salem pinged for holding english - shot on goal. V Harsh and replicated many times without free

3:24 Holding free to Libba very tiggy T

1:30 English kicks fluke goal from sky high ball.

 

Despite the appalling umpiring we are our own worst enemy

 

[Doug Reemer 897]

35 minutes ago, deegirl said:

And Viney, I respect his hardness for the contest, but he’s completely one sided and often tries to do too much.

Viney’s second half kept us in it last night.

Those who consistently question his role, don’t have much idea about the game.

[DeeZee 6,717]

We’ve been poor when the ball hits the ground in defensive 50.

Happened last week against Hawthorn, and again last night with the Dogs kicking 6 goals from stoppages in their forward line. 

We don’t have that smaller back pocket  player like a Jetta or a Bowey who can kill the ground ball or clear it, as all our defensive players are either talls or medium sized runners.

[leave it to deever 15,128]

Langdon has been a star for us this year but since he missed that one game has been not even half as good. Its made a big defference.

Anb and jackson have gone exactly tge same way.

Since vineys return our form has vanished.

Bb should never have been dropped.

Kozzie dissappeared for five weeks and tmac for the last three.

 

[Nicko 1,219]

2 hours ago, mauriesy said:

On a wet, cold night, I don't actually think DE means as much. So many kicks are just forcing the ball any way forward under pressure and in the wet conditions.

My point was more that we had 8 out of the bottom 11….both teams facing the same conditions

[Demonic 40]

I think Top 4 is more unlikely than likely. I can't see Sydney losing another game. Same with Brisbane and Port are also in the mix. 

Goodwin should be very concerned. And unfortunately we need to start the hunt for another key forward because Brown/Weideman/Mcdonald ain't it! 

[At the break of Gawn 3,473]

14 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

Viney’s second half kept us in it last night.

Those who consistently question his role, don’t have much idea about the game.

You do realise he was accountable for Bont for that stoppage in the last qtr where he gave him a paddock of space to let him kick that goal? He was also then on Bont at the centre bounce where he got sucked into the contest and let him on the outside which resulted in another goal.

Viney’s second half was better, but his two consecutive mistakes killed the game for us. He is the epitome of see ball get ball. Goodwin needs to shift him out of the middle ASAP before it’s too late.

[deegirl 1,282]

24 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

Viney’s second half kept us in it last night.

Those who consistently question his role, don’t have much idea about the game.

Don’t question my understanding of the game. Try reading my comment.
 

When Viney tries to do too much it can hurt us. When he’s in good form, he doesn’t do that.  
 

 

[binman 37,720]

20 minutes ago, Nicko said:

My point was more that we had 8 out of the bottom 11….both teams facing the same conditions

One of the great myths of football is that wet weather is an equaliser.

Bollocks. It puts pressure on technique and those with great techniques become more influential.

And wet weather exacerbates poor technique. And so many of our players have woeful technique. 

Accriss the board, the skill gap in terms of kicking is huge between us and the dogs. 

And it is a canyon between our best two mids, tracc and Oliver, and their best two, bont and mcrae.

Edited July 25, 2021 by binman

[kev martin 8,804]

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Ridiculous.

Were you "bored" when we beat Richmond, the Dogs, Brisbane or Port?

Losing games does not automatically mean "boring".

If your response is "we don't score much", that's not because we play "boring" football, that's because we miss shots on goal. As has been covered in this thread, since the bye we've had more scoring shots than our opponents every game except last night which was even.

I think we are playing boring football.

We used to be a play on, go fast team.

Now we have a stop, take your time, hug the boundary style game.

Occasionally we go through the central corridor. 

Our stoppage wins are really the only times there is some improvisation. 

We've become a dour, flooding, defensive first team.

[titan_uranus 22,209]

Just now, kev martin said:

I think we are playing boring football.

We used to be a play on, go fast team.

Now we have a stop, take your time, hug the boundary style game.

Occasionally we go through the central corridor. 

Our stoppage wins are really the only times there is some improvisation. 

We've become a dour, flooding, defensive first team.

I genuinely disagree with everything in this post.

We haven't changed how we play this year: one of Goodwin's biggest traits (many will say flaws) is that he wants us to play the same way all the time.

We've always targeted the boundary with kick-ins, for example. We don't flood back now any more than we did prior to the bye. And we've always been "defensive first".

Maybe you're being clouded by our lower scores and you think that scoring in the 60s means we've become "dour". When, in my view, the reality is we're doing everything the same as we did earlier in the season, but at a slightly lower level of execution.

[kev martin 8,804]

14 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

And we've always been "defensive first".

That's right, and with our stop start game we have become boring.

14 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

We don't flood back now any more than we did prior to the bye.

Wow, I see many of our wingers and forwards up in the back-line area.

 

14 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

We haven't changed how we play this year:

Yes we have, we started the season being a high scoring team, though still not making the most of opportunities. 

Now we just don't seem to take it on as often as we did.

We are a wrestling team, kick to packs, and lack foot speed and outside run.

Edited July 25, 2021 by kev martin

[Megatron 834]

1 hour ago, Doug Reemer said:

Viney’s second half kept us in it last night.

Those who consistently question his role, don’t have much idea about the game.

Thank god. Someone who has a brain. Thank you DR

[Docs Demons 1,656]

29 minutes ago, binman said:

One of the great myths of football is that wet weather is an equaliser.

Bollocks. It puts pressure on technique and those with great techniques become more influential.

And wet weather exacerbates poor technique. And so many of our players have woeful technique. 

Accriss the board, the skill gap in terms of kicking is huge between us and the dogs. 

And it is a canyon between our best two mids, tracc and Oliver, and their best two, bont and mcrae.

Couldn't agree more Binman. Dogs skills were so far better than ours. They actually kick it to a team mate!!. Bont and Mcrae hardly miss a target whereas Trac and Oliver just throw it on boot and hope for best. They, unfortunately are not alone. Bont also in that last quarter showed the difference in Captains. He lead and carried the team particularly when we got close whilst Gawn played OK but he is not yet a leader like Bont. He needs to show a bit more grunt and enthusiasm to lift his mates when it gets tough.

[Neil Crompton 4,672]

16 minutes ago, binman said:

One of the great myths of football is that wet weather is an equaliser.

Bollocks. It puts pressure on technique and those with great techniques become more influential.

And wet weather exacerbates poor technique. And so many of our players have woeful technique. 

Accriss the board, the skill gap in terms of kicking is huge between us and the dogs. 

And it is a canyon between our best two mids, tracc and Oliver, and their best two, bont and mcrae.

And to emphasize your point Binman, just have a look at the Disposal Efficiency of the 4 top ranked players for both sides for the match:

 WB                                              Disposals            Disposal Efficiency %

Macrae                                      38                                71%

Daniel                                         34                               76%

B. Smith                                     26                               65%

Bontempelli                               31                               61%

Demons

Petracca                                     31                               35%

Oliver                                          38                                57%

Gawn                                          18                                38%

ANB                                             25                               45%

WB's 4 top ranked platers had 129 disposals between them, of which 89 (69%) hit a target

Demons 4 top ranked players had 112 disposals between them, of which 43 (38%) hit a target.

Is it any wonder our forward line does not function, and we don't kick goals.

[Red But Mostly Blue 3,611]

2 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

And to emphasize your point Binman, just have a look at the Disposal Efficiency of the 4 top ranked players for both sides for the match:

 WB                                              Disposals            Disposal Efficiency %

Macrae                                      38                                71%

Daniel                                         34                               76%

B. Smith                                     26                               65%

Bontempelli                               31                               61%

Demons

Petracca                                     31                               35%

Oliver                                          38                                57%

Gawn                                          18                                38%

ANB                                             25                               45%

WB's 4 top ranked platers had 129 disposals between them, of which 89 (69%) hit a target

Demons 4 top ranked players had 112 disposals between them, of which 43 (38%) hit a target.

Is it any wonder our forward line does not function, and we don't kick goals.

This.

As much as our forwards don't take their chances, the problem lies much before any of that - delivery and execution around the ground. They really hurt us with thoughtful, pinpoint passes. Brown's kicking is still off, but imagine him on the end of a pass from Bont, Macrae or Daniel?

The guys need to start taking a little more time and thinking more about what they're doing with the ball.

[dazzledavey36 48,616]

6 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

And to emphasize your point Binman, just have a look at the Disposal Efficiency of the 4 top ranked players for both sides for the match:

 WB                                              Disposals            Disposal Efficiency %

Macrae                                      38                                71%

Daniel                                         34                               76%

B. Smith                                     26                               65%

Bontempelli                               31                               61%

Demons

Petracca                                     31                               35%

Oliver                                          38                                57%

Gawn                                          18                                38%

ANB                                             25                               45%

WB's 4 top ranked platers had 129 disposals between them, of which 89 (69%) hit a target

Demons 4 top ranked players had 112 disposals between them, of which 43 (38%) hit a target.

Is it any wonder our forward line does not function, and we don't kick goals.

What a damning stat..

[DeeZee 6,717]

7 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

And to emphasize your point Binman, just have a look at the Disposal Efficiency of the 4 top ranked players for both sides for the match:

 WB                                              Disposals            Disposal Efficiency %

Macrae                                      38                                71%

Daniel                                         34                               76%

B. Smith                                     26                               65%

Bontempelli                               31                               61%

Demons

Petracca                                     31                               35%

Oliver                                          38                                57%

Gawn                                          18                                38%

ANB                                             25                               45%

WB's 4 top ranked platers had 129 disposals between them, of which 89 (69%) hit a target

Demons 4 top ranked players had 112 disposals between them, of which 43 (38%) hit a target.

Is it any wonder our forward line does not function, and we don't kick goals.

Gee that’s pretty glaring.

I always thought we win a lot of contested ball but waste it.

I wonder what those disposal efficiency stats of the top 4 player with the top 4 sides over the whole year are?

[Swooper1987 2,722]

1 minute ago, DeeZee said:

Gee that’s pretty glaring.

I always thought we win a lot of contested ball but waste it.

I wonder what those disposal efficiency stats of the top 4 player with the top 4 sides over the whole year are?

I think Gawn's efficiency last night was impacted by the way he got his possessions.  Lot's of kicks out of the ruck.  He barely handballed (2 for the game). It's much easier to have a higher efficiency when you handball more, even though it often puts team mates under pressure. His DE has been pretty good most of the year.

[layzie 28,473]

Highlighted on the podcast this week I did think Bartel made a good comment saying we need to know the right moments to speed up the game. 

If where not going to score with the forwards we have then we probably need more opportunities.

[kev martin 8,804]

50 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I genuinely disagree with everything in this post.

Boring footy isn't necessarily bad footy.

Apparently it stands up in finals.

Free flowing, high scoring is the bench mark for exciting footy. It shows high skill levels and general excitement. We aren't playing that style.

If you believe we are optimising our skills and creating beautiful footy then you are easily pleased by the spectacle we produce.

 

@Rhino Richards

 

[picket fence 15,036]

2 hours ago, deegirl said:

Random comment

There’s a few on our list that don’t know their limits & opt for the fancy rather than the safe  ANB, Harmes and Viney are my key offenders  

For a bloke who has no time, ANB cruises around like he’s Scott Pendlebury. 

Harmes is about the dumbest footballer alive

And Viney, I respect his hardness for the contest, but he’s completely one sided and often tries to do too much.  
 

ANB & Harmes are role players and need to deliver consistency rather than one flashy contribution every 6 weeks. 

As astute a comment as there ever was on Demonland

Edited July 25, 2021 by picket fence