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5 hours ago, Jaded said:

Brown's kick to a leading Tmac was perfection. It was a tall forward kicking the ball to a tall forward the way a tall forward would want the ball kicked to them! His ball use was spot on, did not waste a disposal and his follow up work was pretty good. 

He is never going to be Usain Bolt. But he doesn't need to be. He laid more tackles last night than Fritsch has in a month of games. 

And that stat alone is Telling?

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7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Look at the Luke Jackson goal.

There was four Port Adelaide opponents that were immediately drawn straight away to Brown to try and impact his contest. As Brown draws these four defenders one which included Jackson opponent, this left Jackson to take a free jump at the ball and take a uncontested mark and set shot goal.

This is the kind of stuff that no one will pick up except the coaches come review.

Having Brown down there makes McDonald,  Jackson and Fritsch job a whole lot easier.

Spot on! And when Fritta, Jackson and TMAC start attracting the defenders, Brown will become free and he is a serious weapon. The hope would be that teams have to start allocating their defensive resources to a number of our forwards, which makes us super dangerous. If that happens, Brown has the ability to tear defenders apart one on one. 

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9 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Melbourne Goals vs Port

Jackson from a set shot after a high mark. Brown was in the pack but it was kicked on his head and Jackson had the sit. Brown had no impact. (Not sure Brown was even on the ground.)

 

I was sitting right behind this one.  I am telling you 100%, Brown had 3 players drawn to him, they were all looking at him.  This allowed Jackson to float across the front of the pack unchecked to take the mark.

first you say brown was in the pack, then you say your not sure he was even on the ground?

There are very subtle things that are hard to measure.

How do you measure the fact that Tom McDonald roamed around with the second best defender for much of the night?

 

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"Playing in this forward line is very exciting, and I'm looking forward to playing in it for the rest of the year"

Maybe it was a throw away comment & I'm reading too much into it but sounds like they've assured him he's the man

 

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21 minutes ago, adonski said:

"Playing in this forward line is very exciting, and I'm looking forward to playing in it for the rest of the year"

Maybe it was a throw away comment & I'm reading too much into it but sounds like they've assured him he's the man

 

If I could do an ‘oooh’ lips pursed together in curiosity emoticon, I would .

 

 

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I don't know too many forwards who consistently kick bags week after week with the bomb it in method. So many times I was screaming at the TV for a forward to move in the forward 50, make a hole for our forward to run into. Too many stand in their zone waiting for the kick to come to them. You have to move the defenders and make holes in the defence.

Not too many of our forwards were sacrificing their prime position and leading their defender out of a zone making a hole.

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13 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

There is no stat for that. BTW were Demonlanders asking the same question when Weideman was in the side?

Brown was ok. Not good.

 

Come on, mate. Weideman doesn’t consistently draw three defenders like Brown did repeatedly last night, and if he does, he's outmarked. Weideman isn't a big aerial threat, and so the opposition drop off him. Brown's height and reach, and his ability to draw the ball will almost always make him a threat.

13 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I noticed the palms/touches too. I'm sure he had a big message from the coaches to be mindful of getting it front and centre and the moment he felt he wasn't going to mark it, he did his best to make sure that's where it went.

It's hard to tell whether the kicks over his head were bad kicks or bad judgment from Brown. It happened a lot. With our recent kicking woes I'm inclined to think it was the kicking more than anything, but not necessarily.

I reckon he found himself pushed under the ball. He was annoyed with himself a few times. He just had that 20% rust, but I'd back him to eradicate those moments. 

I'm not sure it happened a lot either. I've watched the replay twice now and I reckon it happened two, maybe three times. Whilst that is too many for a forward of his experience and ability, I'd put this more down to his lack of game time over the past 18 months.

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11 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Look at the Luke Jackson goal.

There was four Port Adelaide opponents that were immediately drawn straight away to Brown to try and impact his contest. As Brown draws these four defenders one which included Jackson opponent, this left Jackson to take a free jump at the ball and take a uncontested mark and set shot goal.

This is the kind of stuff that no one will pick up except the coaches come review.

Having Brown down there makes McDonald,  Jackson and Fritsch job a whole lot easier.

To be honest, most of us pick that up mate, just not all of us apparently.

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4 hours ago, A F said:

To be honest, most of us pick that up mate, just not all of us apparently.

AF great point and exactly what I have been saying to other Dees fans it's the extra attention that BBB will need because if his presence, size plus his ability to hit the scoreboard.

I have come to the conclusion that Weed if given a ruck role and a roaming forward approval he would probably provide a good foil.
BUT as a stay at home mostly insignificant and with not much real body strength contesting forward battles he does not have the same impact for the opposition ( or us) as BBB provides. 
 

BBB has the spot and it's his to lose but I don't think  that will happen. 

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22 hours ago, Arrow said:

Two things for me:

- he was much better when the ball hit the ground then I gave him credit for. He isn’t Luke Jackson but he isn’t hopeless. Much better than anything Weid has showed this year once the ball hits the deck

- he was fantastic with palms and touches when he felt he couldn’t mark the ball. I’m going to say at least 5 times when out of position he did either punch or deflect the ball to the crumbers to a dangerous spot. 
 

he did get out marked a few times but a number of times our mids simply put it on his head and he was nudged under it. If you’ve ever watched BBB his strength is running and jumping at the ball, not sitting under the high one. I thought he was much much better then his stats and so glad to see he made us a better side 

Very valid point: he is better at leading or running towards an incoming ball than most FFwds - almost unstoppable within the rules of the game. One might think that our team members would have known this; booting the ball for an on-spot landing was grossly ineffective; kicking the ball too long so that it went over his position was even worse. In most of these cases, he started off moving forward to the ball and was forced to retreat (or let it pass over him) hoping for a opportunistic ground recovery that statistically, was just not on. His trailing opponents were better positioned for a mark or tap-away as a consequence. It was also an indication of how well he can move and in that process, leave a defender increasing metres behind. Streamline this process into more exact incoming opportunities thorugh better footwork from teammates and he'd kick at least four goals per game whilst still releasing TMac, Fritta and peripheral forwards to roam, lead to alternatives and compete, deep into the midfield domains. The concept of triangulation from forwards needs to be considered, providing a triad of prongs to receive across the width of the forwards' zones with BB out front and TMac/Fritta more laterally. We have the smalls to rove in all these configurations (and bring these littler dynamos closer to the play and respective assaults on the big sticks).

 

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18 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Melbourne Goals vs Port

Jackson from a set shot after a high mark. Brown was in the pack but it was kicked on his head and Jackson had the sit. Brown had no impact. (Not sure Brown was even on the ground.)

TMac on the run from a Jackson handball. Brown had no impact.

Spargo wins a high free and kicks a snap. Brown had no impact.

Petracca out the back of the Port press. Port spoiled into the centre of the ground and we got a counterattack goal. Brown had no impact.

Kossie long ping. Brown was looking for a handball receive from Fritsch, who fumbled and recovered to give the handball to Pickett, who kicked a ripper. Brown had no impact.

Petracca’s snap. Kick long to Brown, who runs under a long ball but draws a contest. Picket gets a touch on the marking contest which spills over the back. Petracca kicks a fantastic snap under pressure. Brown drew his defender and was loosely involved in this one but really this was due to Petracca’s brilliance.

Fritsch’s dribbling snap. The ball got out the back of Port’s press after TMac won a beautiful contest and kicked long to Fritsch, who took a juggling mark and snapped on his right foot. Brown had no impact. (Not sure Brown was even on the ground.)

Pickett one hand mark and 50m. Oliver wins a clearance at half back and does a one-two with Langdon and kicks long to half forward. TMac and Kossie in the contest and Pickett takes a juggling mark and gets pummelled and wins 50m to the goal square. Brown had no impact.

TMac from a mark and set shot after a clean centre clearance. Brown had no impact.

TMac snap after a deliberate out of bounds free, he has his kick smothered and gets a handball back and kicks a curling snap. Brown had no impact.

Petracca joe the goose. Long kick to Jackson at full forward. Roved by Jordon and Petracca gets rewarded for tremendous gut running. Brown had no impact. (Not sure Brown was even on the ground.)

Kossie 50m bomb. Long kick down the line from the wing.  Brown was in the area but could not get to the contest. Ball is dropped by Port defenders around Fritsch. Ball spills to Pickett who kicks a ripper. Brown had no impact.

This is information masquerading as insight. 

He played his role to allow us to function better. TMac does the same even when he isn’t the one ‘involved’ or have ‘any impact’.

Imagine all the things that happen on the footy field, or even in life, that can be reduced to ‘not having immediate impact’ that are integral; Viney setting a pick on Wines in the centre, Lever organising the team from behind, rpfc getting up 6 days in a row at 5 to take of a sick rpjfc…

Nothing is ever black and white, especially in this game.

Coz they’re [censored] colours…

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6 hours ago, A F said:

To be honest, most of us pick that up mate, just not all of us apparently.

I can see a break out from Brown. A bag of 4 or 5 in the next coming weeks.

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19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I can see a break out from Brown. A bag of 4 or 5 in the next coming weeks.

Agree. Brown is intelligent and an intelligent footballer. He is skilful. Good ballhandler and his disposal is excellent. Straight kick for goal...we could do with one of those. We know he's a great mark. Just slightly off in that respect right now. When he gets his act together, look out.

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9 minutes ago, Redlagged said:

Agree. Brown is intelligent and an intelligent footballer. He is skilful. Good ballhandler and his disposal is excellent. Straight kick for goal...we could do with one of those. We know he's a great mark. Just slightly off in that respect right now. When he gets his act together, look out.

Yeah I was really surprised with his field kicking. Not that I didn't rate it, but all of his highlights have been him kicking goals.

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43 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I can see a break out from Brown. A bag of 4 or 5 in the next coming weeks.

Tipping he will be very handy for us in some big finals this year, he's a smart guy, and he makes T'mac 500% better

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10 hours ago, adonski said:

"Playing in this forward line is very exciting, and I'm looking forward to playing in it for the rest of the year"

Maybe it was a throw away comment & I'm reading too much into it but sounds like they've assured him he's the man

 

Would not surprise me at all.

For mine it was always about them needing him to sort his fitness, core strength and perhaps most of all his agility. 

All looked much improved on Thursday night, particularly his agility. A number of times he recovered really well and was able to impact the next contest. His 3 tackles were evidence of this.

And they would have loved his recovery after dropping a mark on the boundary, collect and turning his opponent inside and our then beaut pass.

Sure we could have done with him against the giants but perhaps he wasn't quite where they needed him to be. So stuck to their guns. As good coaches do.

 

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3 minutes ago, binman said:

Would not surprise me at all.

For mine it was always about them needing him to sort his fitness, core strength and perhaps most of all his agility. 

All looked much improved on Thursday night, particularly his agility. A number of times he recovered really well and was able to impact the next contest. His 3 tackles were evidence of this.

And they would have loved his recovery after dropping a mark on the boundary, collect and turning his opponent inside and our then beaut pass.

Sure we could have done with him against the giants but perhaps he wasn't quite where they needed him to be. So stuck to their guns. As good coaches do.

 

I think the coaches genuinely were not sure until last Saturday afternoon what our best forward line mix was. I reckon they knew that if we were going to go with 2 talls, it would very likely be Brown and McDonald; but they also thought "well we've done it both ways this year, so let's persist with the one tall for at least one more week even though it didn't look great against Essendon."

Now they know we are better with the 2 talls, and they've known for a while that Brown will be that 2nd tall once his body is ready, which it now is.

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With him being pushed under the ball I reckon there are a couple of factors.

One, we have A LOT of poor kicks. One of the most underrated skill is weighting the ball to a forwards advantage. Where he was pushed under the ball it was kicked to the defenders advantage. 

Two, he has clearly trimmed right down. So will have lost a bit of his ability to push back on the defender. Tmac struggles with the same issue.

No doubt they are working on his core strength, and he will probably have to get used to playing a bit lighter, but having less weight to use in those situations will always have an impact.

Looking at tmac and Brown, apart from the height differential, they now look like remarkably similar physique wise.

Now tmac can kick it to tmac.

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7 minutes ago, Chook said:

I think the coaches genuinely were not sure until last Saturday afternoon what our best forward line mix was. I reckon they knew that if we were going to go with 2 talls, it would very likely be Brown and McDonald; but they also thought "well we've done it both ways this year, so let's persist with the one tall for at least one more week even though it didn't look great against Essendon."

Now they know we are better with the 2 talls, and they've known for a while that Brown will be that 2nd tall once his body is ready, which it now is.

Maybe.

But I'm pretty sure they always wanted the two talls. After all that's why they recruited Brown.

The issue was one couldn't elevate his game (yet) and the other wasn't physically ready for the role they wanted him to play.

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Ben Brown was recruited to be our main key forward for the next four years. The real question therefore should be do we play Tommy or Sam alongside him and that doesn't even require an answer. 

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4 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Ben Brown was recruited to be our main key forward for the next four years. The real question therefore should be do we play Tommy or Sam alongside him and that doesn't even require an answer. 

This is why Sam is at Casey now mirroring the role Luke Jackson is currently playing….. 2nd ruck - mobile forward half interloper. He’s not a KPF, and has always been better in that role. Barring injury to current stocks however, I can’t see how he gets a gig, so will probably look to leave at season’s end, which is sad, cos he’s great depth. 

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32 minutes ago, binman said:

Now tmac can kick it to tmac

Gotta love that Tmac seems to move and look nothing like he plays, which is athletic and skilled. His bendy ‘recovery’ goal from the smother was a perfect illustration of just that - agile, smart, instinctive and perfectly executed. Some players look like they’ve got all the attributes, but flatter to deceive, some appear wholly underwhelming, yet play elite…..Tmac. And just on that goal, the lack of appropriate excitement from the excrementors, sorry, commentators, was very, very stark. Kind of proves the point though. 

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