What To Do With Jack Viney

[Ollie fan 2,119]

6 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

It is noticeable that he is an enthusiast of the 'kick it to me' syndrome; if this is done in a fast series of plays, Viney will stop that flow as he receives the ball (from a mark or free) to make sure the crowd realises he has the ball (well, congratulations) and thus, we lose that initial flow/run/ball movement speed just long enough for the opposition backs to run back into position - advantage of 'team' excellence and forward innovation wasted in his hands. 

That is truly ridiculous. Go back and watch some of the videos of the games. Viney is the ultimate team player/one percenter.

[WA Demon Boy 966]

Haha I think this is a stretch too 

I could forgot all of his poor attributes if he could hit the scoreboard or even assist in goals

He has 0 goal assists this year

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

36 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

That is truly ridiculous. Go back and watch some of the videos of the games. Viney is the ultimate team player/one percenter.

Nope. But sometimes - rarely - he does so once or twice to ensure a guernsey, next week. 

[58er 5,607]

23 hours ago, WA Demon Boy said:

I worry for him long-term 

His style of play, lack of skills and speed is going to be exposed big time in the next two years plus. 

It's not like he can play an outside role, go forward or back 

He's just going to be stuck in the middle and clog up a position that we desperately need other assets in

I don't think its a question of fitness - it's a question of his football ability

 

I think  that you are looking at a half glass empty at Jack now, Yes he should have come back through the Casey team but the VFL has been variable and missing in action since May.
I would think if he is no good this week he may have to be dropped but as we know he always plays some valuable footy when the finals are near. It's time for a lift again back to his April firm. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,125]

Don't they always say that players struggle in their second game back from a lay off.

Backing him in this week to a) play well and b) being an asset to our setup.

If not, some tough decisions will need to be made, particularly getting our balance of midfielders right - eg Harmes or Jordon going out of the side at the expense of Viney who appears to have priority.

[demon3165 1,916]

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

That is also my assesment, but it wont happen.

Play him forward? In what world?

He can't kick more than 40m, has 0 aerial skills, isn't nimble, hand to foot drop is slow and defenders would have a field day running off him. 

I genuinely hope we trade him. Might sounds harsh but he's going to be a liability and hurt us in the future. 

Or I hope young guys come in for Viney 

 

Spot on heard Storm are recruiting...

[Kent 2,581]

39 minutes ago, 58er said:

I think  that you are looking at a half glass empty at Jack now, Yes he should have come back through the Casey team but the VFL has been variable and missing in action since May.
I would think if he is no good this week he may have to be dropped but as we know he always plays some valuable footy when the finals are near. It's time for a lift again back to his April firm. 

why didnt he come back through Casey??

Come on experts!

[Kent 2,581]

33 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Don't they always say that players struggle in their second game back from a lay off.

Backing him in this week to a) play well and b) being an asset to our setup.

If not, some tough decisions will need to be made, particularly getting our balance of midfielders right - eg Harmes or Jordon going out of the side at the expense of Viney who appears to have priority.

What basis do you have to say You are backing him to play well

Blind Freddy can see he is busted and can barely run. He un balnaces our midfield group who did ok without him

Bring him back if he ever gets un injured and Fit!

[picket fence 15,097]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

why didnt he come back through Casey??

Come on experts!

Ask this bloke he would know

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[Lord Nev 13,511]

2 hours ago, Kent said:

why didnt he come back through Casey??

Come on experts!

Not saying this justifies it, but my guess would be:

- He had a full season last year and a full preseason.

- We've been getting beaten badly for clearances.

- Burgess often rolls like that. He's not very conservative.

[Jaded No More 57,771]

Viney seems to have lost his burst of speed. He’s never been quick but he was ok over the first few steps. Having had yet another foot injury and limited pre season, he seems to be missing that yard of pace that helped him. Without this he’s a liability in both defense and attack. 
I am sure he will get better when he regains fitness and he’s still someone I want in the team come finals. He’s a beast and a competitor and he will put his body on the line every week. He’s a perfect finals player. 
Just don’t agree with bringing him into the side to gain fitness when we have 18 fit guys in the VFL busting a gut. Not to mention we don’t exactly lack inside mid options. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by Jaded

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Viney will be back. Everyone seems a little off the boil, and plenty of speculation as to why. I hope they can rally this weekend and put up a more spirited effort. It's a long season, and despite not playing great footy, we are where we are which is unexpected. Doomsdayers must live miserable lives to be so pessimistic. We will bounce back. 

[monoccular 16,042]

On 7/5/2021 at 2:19 PM, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

I question, as others have, why after such an extensive layoff, he walked straight back into the Seniors. I think we should have built him back up through the Reserves. He looks well off the pace and unable to pick up the game plan. 

One problem of course is that the VFL is so dysfunctional, (even before COVID lockdowns), that one cannot rely on playing any given week, and with ridiculous number of teams in the competition, getting a decent contest is quite uncertain. 

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Not saying this justifies it, but my guess would be:

- He had a full season last year and a full preseason.

- We've been getting beaten badly for clearances.

- Burgess often rolls like that. He's not very conservative.

He most definitely didn't have a full pre-season and hasn't for a number of years now. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

10 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

He most definitely didn't have a full pre-season and hasn't for a number of years now. 

Missed two weeks at the start of Feb, did everything else.

[Stiff Arm 4,412]

5 hours ago, Kent said:

why didnt he come back through Casey??

Come on experts!

Because the VFL has been on again, off again and sometimes farcically one sided, and training and intra clubs might be a better indicator of his readiness. He has come straight back in from injury in the past and made an impact. Eg, around finals time in 2018, iirc.

Just speculating, Kent...

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 2,930]

43 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Missed two weeks at the start of Feb, did everything else.

Two weeks off the foot and then back running. I don’t think he did a full program after 2 weeks. He had to be loaded back up. 
 

much like his 2 week injury and “he’ll be cherry ripe” for Queens Birthday. 

[DEE fence 4,448]

Yes he is banged up, he is not the fastest or most skillful and he is not Mr. Conviviality, he needs to be managed, doesn't kick many, but he is fierce. And not only fierce, he is now very smart with his aggression, he's not getting rubbed out or throwing cheap shots, but putting the pressure on in a very legal way that harries ALL opposition midfields. This is quantifiable, this is not MFCSS or norm smith curse, or theoretical value. It is well documented what he does to the opposition, compare apples with apples, he is (excuse the hyperbole) a weapon and should be used carefully, sadly not a xbox cheat code that can be used all the time.  

Now think of the Finals we have lost over the recent years and certain 'big' games, we have always been a bit under weight and our best players have been sniped, for me JV value is that in the coming finals he will be the one to fly the flag, and protect the quick, the skillful and the goal kickers, so they get to do their thing and we don't look like school boys playing against men. Remember Gawn getting monstered against Port a few years ago, and no-one helped him, was a pretty bad look (no Viney), then think Viney ragdolling Rance, he and Watts weren't mates , didn't stop Viney getting in. 

 The reason I criticize other who post that he should be traded etc, is I feel people forget too quickly, and don't understand the bravery it takes to play the way he does. Do you think he doesn't feel all the hits he takes for the club.   

Of all the people who play for the club I think only Jones bleeds more Red and Blue than this guy. 

You are kidding yourselves if you think we can win a prelim or a GF against a team like Geelong West Coast or Richmond without him. Maybe we don't need him against the Dogs, and on balance I would want him against the Lions. And AVB who is a warrior as well, I am sorry to say is a much worse decision maker.