CHANGES: Rd 17 vs Port Adelaide

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Just now, manny100 said:

Going o be tough to get a kick out at Casey tonight let alone kick a goal.  If VB performs tonight he will likely be in. 

Our Forward line looked crowded and disorganised. Can Brown navigate around that? Sooner or later he will have to get a go.

How does vandenBerg fix our midfield problem? Who does he replace and what does he bring that the player he's replacing doesn't? And can we carry someone who can't kick when one of our biggest current problems is poor kicking forward of centre?

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52 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

In- straight kicking 

 

Tmac has always been very reliable but boy the wheels have just fallen off.

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Whats the deal with our Constant slow starts?

What are we doing wtong thirty mins b4, the bounce.

Do we need to play acca dacca in the rooms.

Its strange for a premiership contender.

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9 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Whats the deal with our Constant slow starts?

What are we doing wtong thirty mins b4, the bounce.

Do we need to play acca dacca in the rooms.

Its strange for a premiership contender.

Actually I commented how the boys came out laughing and smiling.

Thought it was a good sign.....enjoying themselves....confidence.

Turned out to be just a lack of intensity and passion.

Edited July 3, 2021 by leave it to deever

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36 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Hibbo and Viney out? I guarantee you they would both be in every other teams starting 18. 

Ar NO!!

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1 hour ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

This will horrify some people on here, but I believe we're a better team with Melksham in it.  

His form has been average to poor, but I'd still have him ahead of Sparrow.  Sparrow is a young player worth persisting with, but he has plenty of time.  An in form Melksham makes us infinitely better.

In: Melksham

Out: Sparrow

Lots needs to improve and I understand the calls for Brown, they're understandable, but I'd like to see the smaller version for a couple more weeks.  

I agree and equally am horrified but the key is "in-form". For two years he's been playing like a bloke who's afraid of being hurt. Pleasingly in last week's Casey game he went as hard at the ball and the man as I've seen in quite some time. I just hope he builds on that tonight & presses his claims. Because as you say, at somewhere near his best he makes us much, much better.
 

Even his best I50 delivery however is gonna struggle with our forward strategy. A 25 year old Tony Lockett would struggle to get a kick the way we are going about it. Those that see the inclusion of BBB as some sort of panacea are dead set kidding themselves. Nothing to do with Weid or BBB. It's a system issue rather than a personnel problem.

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6 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Well good for you.

I don't.

We're 12-3. We may be in a form slump right now but if you want to give the season up, feel free. 

I sure as [censored] hope the players and coaches have more resilience than you.

And “hope” being the operative word. We have peaked too early. Have a look around. Brisbane starting to flex muscle, Geelong give up a 4 goal deficit to win by 7 against a side we struggled to beat, Dogs going beautifully. And we are doing what? We will be 5th by end of next round. We cannot kick goals. TMac has fallen off a cliff, but then we did try to trade him last year. May I ask, we’re you at the game today? Because they never gave a yelp. Outplayed by the team sitting 9th. Do you really think the Giants would have beaten Brisbane, Geelong, Bulldogs or Port today, at their HOME grounds? 

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31 minutes ago, Canplay said:

Is Viney safe?   He’s replaced Jordan in middle and now the midfield looks same same…..

Does Vines need a new role or a find form at Casey..z

Have no issue dropping viney.

 

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1 minute ago, leave it to deever said:

Have no issue dropping viney.

 

Drop Viney??? Nar its MFC, Too nice!

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13 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

I agree and equally am horrified but the key is "in-form". For two years he's been playing like a bloke who's afraid of being hurt. Pleasingly in last week's Casey game he went as hard at the ball and the man as I've seen in quite some time. I just hope he builds on that tonight & presses his claims. Because as you say, at somewhere near his best he makes us much, much better.
 

Even his best I50 delivery however is gonna struggle with our forward strategy. A 25 year old Tony Lockett would struggle to get a kick the way we are going about it. Those that see the inclusion of BBB as some sort of panacea are dead set kidding themselves. Nothing to do with Weid or BBB. It's a system issue rather than a personnel problem.

Then why was sparticus our tallest fwd at times in the past two games.

One of the Browns may not win us games but certainly cant make us score less. So bring one in.

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Bowey 10 touches at qtr time. Any chance he comes in for Hunt?

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2 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

Bit harsh on the calls to drop Hunt. When the game was in the balance he was trying to lift us.

He got done holding the ball twice. One of them was a joke where he had no prior opportunity and the other he took 2 bounces but had no options because our forward line isn't functioning yet.

It is a bit harsh but it’s not based just on today. He was good last week but he has dropped off over the past 5-6 weeks imo and I’m starting to doubt whether we can rely on him when the pressure comes. 

We don’t need players to ‘try and lift us’ by running 60 yards and losing the ball. We need them to do the simple thing. If no one is on, then look around, slow down. It wasn’t just the two HTBs, he had several excellent chances to pass the ball and advance our attack and failed. This lack of focus and concentration is why he was so poor in 2019 and 2020

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48 minutes ago, Canplay said:

Is Viney safe?   He’s replaced Jordan in middle and now the midfield looks same same…..

Does Vines need a new role or a find form at Casey..z

Have been arguing for some time that JV clogs our midfield up. He would be brilliant as a small fwd. He would have a more restricted role and be more explosive, whereas in the Midfield he does not "clear the area" and it (the midfield ) becomes clogged up

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23 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Have no issue dropping viney.

 

Agreed. He’s possibly surviving on name alone. 
I was at the game today and there was very little to enthuse. Wasn’t particularly quick, didn’t dispose of the ball by foot with any consistency and wasn’t a physical presence.

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8 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

Agreed. He’s possibly surviving on name alone. 
I was at the game today and there was very little to enthuse. Wasn’t particularly quick, didn’t dispose of the ball by foot with any consistency and wasn’t a physical presence.

And so needs to be dropped . If we are fair dinkum names should mean Zilch!!

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18 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Have been arguing for some time that JV clogs our midfield up. He would be brilliant as a small fwd. He would have a more restricted role and be more explosive, whereas in the Midfield he does not "clear the area" and it (the midfield ) becomes clogged up

we did give him a five year contract only last year.

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No chance Viney gets dropped. Goodwin absolutely loves him. Go back to last weekends presser to hear about it.

Get use to Viney, we've got another 5 years wit him..

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2 hours ago, SPC said:

No Viney, Harmes and Sparrow in the same team. Harmes stays, as does Sparrow.. Todd Jnr is a spud, poor disposal, poor decision making and when he has the ball, just tried for a stoppage.. we are not a stoppage team anymore.

Been saying it for ages, but time for Salem in the middle. Need Class to compliment Clarry. 
 

Hibbo out, Viney out

Brown and a small defender? 

Please mate, have an early night tonight. 

Edited July 3, 2021 by Demons11

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2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

In: Brown and possibly Melksham

Out: Don't care

we need to score and create forward pressure

Except that BB and JM’s biggest weaknesses are ….. lack of forward pressure. 

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Tmac has always been very reliable but boy the wheels have just fallen off.

Why the hell when, what, 35-40 meters out on a slight angle does Tommy do the banana and not a drop punt?  As bad as Jackson’s dribble last week and far more costly. 

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Whats the deal with our Constant slow starts?

What are we doing wtong thirty mins b4, the bounce.

Do we need to play acca dacca in the rooms.

Its strange for a premiership contender.

Starting to think pretender not contender. ?

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1 hour ago, bobby1554 said:

And “hope” being the operative word. We have peaked too early. Have a look around. Brisbane starting to flex muscle, Geelong give up a 4 goal deficit to win by 7 against a side we struggled to beat, Dogs going beautifully. And we are doing what? We will be 5th by end of next round. We cannot kick goals. TMac has fallen off a cliff, but then we did try to trade him last year. May I ask, we’re you at the game today? Because they never gave a yelp. Outplayed by the team sitting 9th. Do you really think the Giants would have beaten Brisbane, Geelong, Bulldogs or Port today, at their HOME grounds? 

Most people have given TMac votes today.

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43 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

we did give him a five year contract only last year.

And this will cost us dearly

Seriously avearge player IMV

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In: BBB, Melksham, Jones

Out: Viney, Sparrow, Pickett

Match Committee need to slap themselves in the face for not trying BBB against GWS in light of our forward line line issues, his recent form and our position on the ladder. Goodwin keeps saying we're still working on our forward line mix - by Round 16 a top 4 MUST have this.

Geelong, Brisbane, Port all have this.

Sparrow, Jordon, Harmes seem too similar - high tackle numbers and low game time. Trust Harmes to run out more of a game and give him a job (Wines).

Melk also deserves more game time - at times this year he's played OK but barely gets any continuity on the ground. Needs a clear role in the middle that suits his skill set.

I'd also be interested to see Salem get a few runs through the middle - could rotate with Melksham (who's played HB before), or even Brayshaw. Just a taste to see how they go as rebounders.

I am going to cop it for this suggestion, but I'd like to see Jones get another midfield run in the vein of Boak. I know they have different skill sets, but Jones as a HF is just a waste of time, and his decision making in close is still sharp. Given our overreliance on Oliver and Petracca in the middle it could have impact in bursts. He only needs to play about 60%.

Pickett out of form and needs to be managed. Opposition are really clued into his game style by now. Needs a chance to stop and refocus and come back with a more sustainable, less manic game.

I'd also like to see Bowey get a run but now is not the time.

Edited July 3, 2021 by Deefensive Language

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51 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No chance Viney gets dropped. Goodwin absolutely loves him. Go back to last weekends presser to hear about it.

Get use to Viney, we've got another 5 years wit him..

Well I hope he can get to the try line quicker.

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I think we generate more score with Melksham in our forward 50.

BBB will open up our Forward 50 tremendously.

Im anticipating 3 changes for Thursday night.

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2 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

I think our season is almost done anyway. We’ll limp into finals and be shot out first week

FFS