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7 minutes ago, binman said:

If they win they may well be in the 8 at round's end

Yes I know, but if they lose it makes it very hard for them. We must be ready to go first bounce, no letting them get their tails up.

Strangle them from the start, run hard, make good decisions and take our chances

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4 hours ago, stynewillalwaysbeonthevine said:

It is a mistake imo. We had nobody to kick to for large parts of the Essendon game. Also, McDonald plays 5x better when another key forward in the side. Brown had earnt his spot. 

Essendon are almost the best team we'll come up against in terms of flooding back while maintaining some semblance of a forward setup.

Personally, I'm glad we're sticking this setup. I see there being a time in the future where either Weideman or Brown are mainstays but Brown isn't covering the ground well enough and Weid needs to build confidence.

GWS are unlikely to be able to fill our forward 50 in the same way that Essendon did and as a result, I think TMac, Fritsch and to a lesser extent Jacko will all benefit.

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14 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yes I know, but if they lose it makes it very hard for them. We must be ready to go first bounce, no letting them get their tails up.

Strangle them from the start, run hard, make good decisions and take our chances

I wasn't disagreeing with you. On the contrary, I meant to say they can be in the 8 if they win and as you say may not make the eight at all if they lose, so it is huge game for them. And i have no doubt they will come out hard

In a funny way it might help us. I sometimes feel that for top clubs (and i'm still pinching myself that we are one this year) they sometimes find it  bit hard to get up for games when the opposition isn't up, and those games can, somewhat counterintuitively, become danger games .

But if the giants bring the heat from the start hopefully that gets us wired from the get go too.  

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On the Gus & Gawny podcast, which was recorded on Tuesday, both said "no change" when talking about selection. They attended the Casey game. I'm just saying that what we want and what the people in the Club know are completely different things. And at 12-2, I'll park my opinions for now.

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37 minutes ago, dworship said:

On the Gus & Gawny podcast, which was recorded on Tuesday, both said "no change" when talking about selection. They attended the Casey game. I'm just saying that what we want and what the people in the Club know are completely different things. And at 12-2, I'll park my opinions for now.

Yeah, quite happy they kept Essendon to 57pts.
Showed they're far more concerned with defence than offence within the club.

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really interested by gw$ midfield mix and that they're clearly intending to go head to head with us

gawn / jackson - oliver - petracca - viney - harmes - jordon - sparrow plus langdon - brayshaw on the wings
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mumford / flynn - taranto - ward - hopper - green - kennedy - perryman plus kelly - whitfield on the wings

winning the contest will go a long way toward winning the game, you'd think

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

GWS lost to Hawthorn and drew with North in the past 3 weeks. The two bottom sides on the ladder.

They are not travelling well.

Uh oh then!!!

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I reckon there is a long term plan around BB.  I’m guessing there is a lot of thought going into when he comes back into the team to ensure he has a confidence building run. We don’t want that [censored] Mumford running through him for example.

Had we not had such a successful year so far, BB would have been rushed back in but we have had the luxury of not having to do that. When BB returns I think it will be permanent and will add that touch of forward class come finals time whilst freeing up Fritsch and make our forward line a whole lot more potent.

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They are still experimenting with the smaller line up. I would make it work with Brown from now but I get it.

Nathan is unlucky.

We should take care of this mob. Our home deck too. Time to be ruthless.

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8 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

really interested by gw$ midfield mix and that they're clearly intending to go head to head with us

gawn / jackson - oliver - petracca - viney - harmes - jordon - sparrow plus langdon - brayshaw on the wings
vs
mumford / flynn - taranto - ward - hopper - green - kennedy - perryman plus kelly - whitfield on the wings

winning the contest will go a long way toward winning the game, you'd think

Agree. Both midfields ( inside and outside ) have excellent players and at full strength. 

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Was so hoping for bb to play.

He must be getting closer.

The positive is that Luke Jackson is hitting the scoreboard more but he or Max need to have some plan.

We must have Max or Luke spend more time in our forward line.

In the dons game they spent too much time away from our goals and often very close to each other.

It was telling to see Spargo up against three dons talls.

Frittas great in space but cant take a pack mark. Not strong enough. Hes not even a tall  (although his hair helps)as such which means effectively we have been playing with only one tall fwd. I love his work and skill but hes also struggling lately.

Tmac has been doing a lot but needs assistance and also a tad down in form.

Can we have Luke spend more time as a tall forward this game please and maybe Trac as well. And Kozzie too.

 

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11 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Well Weids was gifted a few. Just saying.

A few? Plus some! Melksham? Fritta bog ordinary last couple. Mantra should be perform or risk being dropped

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6 minutes ago, picket fence said:

A few? Plus some! Melksham? Fritta bog ordinary last couple. Mantra should be perform or risk being dropped

Fritta has credits though. Our leading goalscorer too. Hell fight back, hes a class act.

I just hope Bb gets a gig next week and we kick enough to roll gws.

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1 hour ago, ProperDee said:

I reckon there is a long term plan around BB.  I’m guessing there is a lot of thought going into when he comes back into the team to ensure he has a confidence building run. We don’t want that [censored] Mumford running through him for example.

Had we not had such a successful year so far, BB would have been rushed back in but we have had the luxury of not having to do that. When BB returns I think it will be permanent and will add that touch of forward class come finals time whilst freeing up Fritsch and make our forward line a whole lot more potent.

Agreed, but our forward line needs to have a fully (or at least partially) freed Fritta and TMac, and one or two attacking, pacey smalls. To my way of thinking, BB with standard support might have just occupied enough key defenders to achieve this layer of mobility. However, there may be a 'trick' to the anti-GWS backline roles for Jackson and Gawn down forward. 

 

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Our 6 specialist forwards contributed a grand total of 3 goals between them last week, and Goodwin thinks that all is well - the mind boggles.

How many uncontested marks will Haynes & Davis take this week because we are looking for the marking option that doesn't exist?

Forecast is for 60% chance of any rain, with possible rain of 0 - 1mm. Hardly a torrential downpour and certainly no reason to keep Brown out.

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My biggest concern for the match is that Mumford injures Max with another intentional 'clumsy' act - there I said it so that should nix it!

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10 hours ago, binman said:

I wasn't disagreeing with you. On the contrary, I meant to say they can be in the 8 if they win and as you say may not make the eight at all if they lose, so it is huge game for them. And i have no doubt they will come out hard

They had the same huge game last week and didn't bring the heat...would have been in the 8 if they beat the Hawks.

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43 minutes ago, poita said:

Our 6 specialist forwards contributed a grand total of 3 goals between them last week, and Goodwin thinks that all is well - the mind boggles.

How many uncontested marks will Haynes & Davis take this week because we are looking for the marking option that doesn't exist?

We went with an extremely defensive game plan last week. Flooded back in big numbers. Watch the replay and note where players like TMac, Spargo, Kozzy even Fritsch appear a lot of the time. The reason our forwards didn't contribute as many goals is that they were all high up the ground and we scored surging forward together.

It's not particularly great footy to watch, but it won us the game coming off the bye when our form hasn't been great and against an in-form high scoring team.

I thought Brown would come in this week, but I think you're off the mark with this angle, and there's just 0 chance Haynes and Davis will be by themselves in our 50.

TMac and Fritsch both in the top 5 distance covered for the game.

Top 5 average speed in defence - ANB, Jordon, Salem, Jackson, Sparrow.

The heat maps reflect this defensive aspect too.

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10 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

Weid needs to build confidence

Not sure we’ll see Weid again this year, unless Tmac or Dogga go down (or one of the big 3 in the backline go down and Tmac gets moved back). Based on Casey last week, that’s the ‘replacement’ role I reckon he’ll now play, which is much more to his strengths, not a permanent KPF, but a mobile tall/2nd ruck with forward skills. 

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45 minutes ago, poita said:

Our 6 specialist forwards contributed a grand total of 3 goals between them last week, and Goodwin thinks that all is well - the mind boggles.

How many uncontested marks will Haynes & Davis take this week because we are looking for the marking option that doesn't exist?

Forecast is for 60% chance of any rain, with possible rain of 0 - 1mm. Hardly a torrential downpour and certainly no reason to keep Brown out.

We're 12-2.

You're running the same schtick you ran last year when we were 7-8.

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Pretty sensible selection for mine.

There would not have been the Demonland push for Ben Brown to come in had we kicked straight last week. And while Brown was solid in the VFL, 5 goals flattered his performance a little bit IMO. Moreover, Sparrow was the player mostly likely in the gun and he was very good last week in limited game time.

My feel is that in order for Brown or Weideman to force their way up from the VFL, they really need to be taking some big high pack marks , covering a lot of kilometres and kicking straight. Without that trifecta they are both liabilities.

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1 hour ago, grazman said:

My biggest concern for the match is that Mumford injures Max with another intentional 'clumsy' act - there I said it so that should nix it!

Then medical sub Aaron vandenBerg comes in and slams Mummy into next year. 

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