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37 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

No, I do “get it”. The guy is a massive under achiever. Getting paid truckloads to do what? Remember when his manager touted huge dollars last year? If he is taking the pay cheque, then yeah he needs to be accountable for his performance. There is absolutely nothing I have seen in his career to date to suggest that he will become a regular AFL player. As many have already said here, he is good VFL at best. Then take the pay cheque that goes with that. Hence get another career

Clearly we know what you think, but what’s the answer to the question? 

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Things I noticed.

Collingwood blocked very well for their key forwards.

Collingwood went harder for longer. We threatened but we didn't believe.

Our whole forward line was made ineffective due the pressure on our midfield and us being outnumbered regularly.

We are more comfortable in open space, especially ANB, Spargo, Fritta, Kozzy and TMAc. SCG doesn't suit us.

Defensively, Melksham would have made Maynard less effective. Fritta couldn't match the physicality of Maynard. We needed a change there.

Many times we were too safe kicking to the easy option rather than putting the ball into space and letting our forwards run.

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1 minute ago, Gorgoroth said:

And why could you see this a mile away… cause we have done it for decades. Go in favourites against average to poor teams and watch us capitulate. 
Tell me I’m wrong.

Im not on a doomsday bandwagon, after a long long time im [censored] sick n tired of seeing results like this. Feel nervous going into games vs low teams, fine vs good teams. Sick of being on the bottom and when we do get near the top, don’t have the true desire to punish the low and dominate the league.

Our year is far from over, but we have just shown those around the top that we are still vulnerable. 

The worse thing is that after the first 5 minutes of the game we all saw the warning signs.  It starts with the flick handballs to no one, moves on to the missing of targets by foot, then the lack of defensive running.

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29 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Ok. ? 

I’ll stop trying to defend a team that’s 11-2, and let you all go back to slitting your wrists because we don’t win every week. Bye ??

Ohhhh please.  Slitting my wrists?  I suspect I have followed this footy team for a wee bit longer than you have.  I am 65 years of age and was there in '64.  11-2 is sensational, but if you want to win a flag, today's effort was deplorable.  That is all.  Pure and simple.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, drdrake said:

The worse thing is that after the first 5 minutes of the game we all saw the warning signs.  It starts with the flick handballs to no one, moves on to the missing of targets by foot, then the lack of defensive running.

The 17 point margin flattered us we should have lost by over 5 goals.

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12 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Today was the perfect storm for Coll, make no mistake its a terrible loss to have against a struggler playing their GF for Bucks. Psychologically at the back of the players minds after the Bris game there was a 2 week period to take the foot of the pedal. 

At what other period of the season are the players going to get a chance to do that?

It's all systems go after this break time to take in all that has happen thus far to ponder and plan our Premiership assault.

Mentally and physically we looked flat and not appeared up for the contest.

In the grand scheme of things its not and end of the world loss. 

We are top 11-2. The sun will rise tommorow morning fellow Dees.

Perfect storm is a good way to describe it. It’s not often that I look at those kinds of factors but there are a few there that don’t help. Just don’t want to see too many more situations like that this year because the excuses won’t wash. 

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1 hour ago, Webber said:

Yeah, not sure if you’re not getting the point deliberately, or just don’t get it. I have no doubt Weideman will be dropped, or that his form means he deserves to be. I dare say he’d agree. The point is that you’ve personally judged him as being a failure in his chosen career. If you met him, would you say that to his face? I sincerely hope the answer is no. If it isn’t, well…..

Spot on. Happens far too often on this site (and probably most football forums, to be fair).

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

we have just had 10 days off.

Seriously. Oh they were tired.

Yeah I hear you mate, seriously I was pretty deflated after today's display.

I either buy into the theory that a hard fought 13 rounds have caught up with the boys, or they couldn't be stuffed, and while there may have been a few out there who might be guilty of that, I choose to believe this is a different team with a different mindset, as is evidenced by the results this year. 

It's both comforting and worrying that our only two losses have come against 16th and 12th on the ladder. In years past, those are the teams we would have flogged while failing to show up against the real deals.

Should we have won today? Absolutely. But it won't waver my belief in the team/year. As we continue to build on this new direction we'll continue to win these games. The cats and tigers of recent times had to start somewhere...

Go Dees.

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1 minute ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

Ohhhh please.  Slitting my wrists?  I suspect I have followed this footy team for a wee bit longer than you have.  I am 65 years of age and was there in '64.  11-2 is sensational, but if you want to win a flag, today's effort was deplorable.  That is all.  Pure and simple.

 

 

I’m so over this argument on this forum. Every difference of opinion diverts to ‘how long have you supported the club for?’, instead of debating the facts.

In this case so called ‘supporters’ taking pot shots at the club even when we are doing well. When you call them on their childish reactions to ONE loss, it somehow becomes about how they’ve been a supporter for longer than you.

It’s garbage. It’s not supportive to use any opportunity to try and rubbish us when we are on top of the ladder. That’s by definition not ‘support’, and if you’ve been doing it for a long period of time you need to ask yourself some hard questions about what you think you’re ‘supporting’.

And I don’t care how old you are. If you’re acting like a child you’re never to old to be called out for it.

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2 hours ago, SPC said:

In front of goal, slight angle, large angle.. unless he is snapping around the corner- he is useless. 

Someone needs to get hold of him and tell him to stop trying to chip the ball through the goals, he does it every time with his set shots. kick it like you're 50 meters out son FFS

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We lost. No injuries. They learned something about themselves

We stay top of the ladder. The should now be angry, and hopefully that will sit in their guts until September 

 

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36 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Things I noticed.

Collingwood blocked very well for their key forwards.

Collingwood went harder for longer. We threatened but we didn't believe.

Our whole forward line was made ineffective due the pressure on our midfield and us being outnumbered regularly.

We are more comfortable in open space, especially ANB, Spargo, Fritta, Kozzy and TMAc. SCG doesn't suit us.

Defensively, Melksham would have made Maynard less effective. Fritta couldn't match the physicality of Maynard. We needed a change there.

Many times we were too safe kicking to the easy option rather than putting the ball into space and letting our forwards run.

We are built for the MCG, until a team knocks us off at the G im good with what I've seen so far from us this year.

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I don’t know about this burn in the guts for 2 weeks theory, I would have much rather preferred to play next week and backlash. 2 weeks is just too long for everyone and builds pressure up in the mind. For us anyway.

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1 minute ago, layzie said:

I don’t know about this burn in the guts for 2 weeks theory, I would have much rather preferred to play next week and backlash. 2 weeks is just too long for everyone and builds pressure up in the mind. For us anyway.

I'm a big believer in this also.

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1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Make this guy captain already. 

2 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

No reason for the ritual wrist-slashing as we lose to a lowly rival AGAIN, but when we play with so little intensity and energy I feel like throwing something at the TV.

But when we did get it, the dumb, dumb, dumb decisions in close gave the ball to the Pes midfield with annoying regularity.

And I can't stand Petracca's 2 step kicks that always miss their target - be it wide, long or short. Frustrate the c**p out of me.

And how many times in the last half did the Pies have a free player at half-forward, on his own, with no-one within 30 metres?

 

It was more Christian's look away handballs that were constantly intercepted that got me.

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Don't reckon I've ever walked away from watching a Collingwood game and thought the Pies were soft. Reckon our players were a bit soft today...another area where old habits are probably going to die hard and will continue to make us vulnerable against intense pressure.

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I'll go for the two positives for me and it was Jackson and Jordon.

Jackson was the only forward willing to apply any pressure and was rewarded for that run down tackle. His around the ground work is phenomenal. 

Jordon played 56% game time and cracked in with 23 disposals at 84% disposal efficiency. He played team first football and not this junk Hollywood crap Oliver and Petracca were dishing up.

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Well. A long trip back to Wangaratta. Still smiling as I got to spend the whole day with my daughter and had some meaningful talk with her partner.

Spent the game waiting for the reset that never came.

Seemed like we lost our defensive mindset and our system broke down. I was hoping that the tactical minds on here could describe how things turned out so

Badly today. We were also at full strength? Perhaps fatigue had set in, better to

learn the lesson today. 2 losses thus far for a total of just 18 points!

Could have been a 7 goal loss today. Was Lingers OK, barely noticed him.

Jacko our best IMO. Collingwood supporters celebrating like it was a GF

Not long ago we were content in the same way after 3 or 4 win seasons.

I thought about Richmond and I am blown away by what they have done and

what they continue to do. They are the real deal. We are the Daniel to their Mr Myagi.

I am excited by what we can become. We all have had trauma as Dees supporters.

Let's enjoy the ride and celebrate each scalp we get. Still smiling!

 

 

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I posted this in trust the demons, but thought it relevant for post game. I know I am going to sound stupid, but I really thought the SCG was a poor choice for us, too small, didn't allow us to take advantage of our fitness and repeat entries came a little quicker. We are a better team on big decks I feel. I would be very comfortable with a change or two, Weid who I have supported has had his turn, not the end just a reset. I would like to see Sparrow given another game to find a true form line.

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33 minutes ago, Bigred said:

We lost. No injuries. They learned something about themselves

We stay top of the ladder. The should now be angry, and hopefully that will sit in their guts until September 

This is the point, we’ve had plenty of opportunities to drop games during our 11-2 start but fact is that is only our second loss for the year and by far the worst performance. 

The players responded well after the Adelaide loss, this is their chance to learn and respond again. 

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10 minutes ago, layzie said:

Not looking forward to tomorrow. Unleash the wolves..

Call in sick. Best thing about COVID is nobody expects or wants you in the office if you so much as sneeze. 
Plus a COVID test is way better than talking to anyone about how we lost to Collingwood. 

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2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's not unrealistic, Geelong have been given the option of playing at Kardinia Park in front of no supporters on Friday which they are likely to take. They value the welfare of their players and the 4 points over a few quid.

Hugely different circumstances.

We've just lost our NT sponsored game and then an MCG Queen's Birthday crowd.

They stand to lose...what...25,000 at GMHBA against the Dogs?

And how are the two clubs going financially? We may be unassisted but we also rely on that sold game to the NT to get there.

You're not comparing apples with apples.

1 hour ago, A F said:

Our lack of workrate, intensity, focus and decision making cost us the game. Not the SCG.

Sure. I should have said "contributed to costing us the game". IMO, the shortness of the ground did not help us set up and did not allow us to exploit our traits as much as a bigger ground would have.

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