If Ben Brown doesnt play the rest of the year

[Demon Dynasty 15,160]

On 6/21/2021 at 8:48 AM, RigidMiddleDigit said:

Unfair to Nibbler who has improved his accuracy markedly.

Yes i didn't put Nibbler in as i don't count him as a small forward or genuine mid RMD.  Hardly unfair as i don't see or expect him to be taking as many shots and would see him as a Medium Forward when spending time inside 50.

Yes he is quite good of late but often doesn't get as many set shot chances as some of the others named as he's often playing high up the field on an opponent or creating a link option on the outside somewhere.  He get's involved in plenty of scores which is a great asset also.

Some of the background stats...

He is running Equal 9th for set shot averages with Clarry & Lingers this season at 1.5 a match.   Goal Accuracy (overall not set shot) is 45% which is not too shabby.

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On 6/21/2021 at 9:32 AM, Doug Reemer said:

Wouldn't be too worried about Viney. His Set shots would be better than that I reckon.

Possibly DR.  Provided he is within range of kicking reasonably accurately.  This also makes up the aggregate though.  Goal kicking accuracy obviously tends to become more difficult the further out you are from your natural kicking distance limits.  Part of our issue here is that we have a number of forwards and mid/forwards whose limit starts from about 30 meters (Spargo) out to around 40ish (Kozzie & Viney) before their set shot accuracy would appear to fall away quite badly.

All of this would be fine if we had a few more who were quite accurate from 40+ out but aside from T-Mac I'm not sure we do.  Fritsh might be the other from around 40 to 45.  Not sure how he fairs with set shots beyond that.  Would love to see the numbers here.

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On 6/21/2021 at 10:40 AM, John Crow Batty said:

Not just goal kicking accuracy.
We really don’t have anyone who can reliably kick a set shot from distance 50 metres and beyond. This weekend we saw some monster goals from the likes of Green, Hipwood and others. Petracca can hit from long range but his accuracy is all over the place. Our mids have to constantly search wide and deeper into the forward for a set shot target. We don’t have a player who can mark on 50 and confidently go for a set shot. Both Browns can hit from long range but they are currently are not playing. We need some players that can take that option when our forward line is choked up. That’s one of my big gripes with Weid. He can win the ball whe moves up into space from goal but we have seen many of his set shots not even make the distance. 

Yes this is part of what I'm referring to JC.  We struggle to score from set shots and many are limited with their accuracy to 30 to 40 meters.  As you have highlighted nicely, outside of that we struggle to kick set shots from further out.

I'm not sure how BB sits here but might be the key to changing this up if he comes back fit and can find his best form or close to it.

P.S. have seen Weid kick them quite comfortably from around 50. But only at VFL level.  Doesn't seem to have brought this asset to the big league very often so far.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[picket fence 15,040]

This is haunting us already, NO TALL IN FORWARD LINE TO TAKE A MARK

You reap what you sow MFC Selectors. Garbage NON SELECTION!!

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35 minutes ago, picket fence said:

This is haunting us already, NO TALL IN FORWARD LINE TO TAKE A MARK

You reap what you sow MFC Selectors. Garbage NON SELECTION!!

TOTALLY PF.  Why you would not want to offer a genuine tall forward target who can kick more goals than he misses from set shots and stretch the opposition down back?  As well as provide some chaff for the smalls to crumb off.  Silly stuff and may cost us the match tonight along with a shot at the top two.

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37 minutes ago, picket fence said:

This is haunting us already, NO TALL IN FORWARD LINE TO TAKE A MARK

You reap what you sow MFC Selectors. Garbage NON SELECTION!!

Oliver gets it looks up and sees no one and then goes sideways.

Agree if we lose this you can blame the selection.

They are loaded with talls.

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7 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

TOTALLY PF.  Why you would not want to offer a genuine tall forward target who can kick more goals than he misses from set shots and stretch the opposition down back?  As well as provide some chaff for the smalls to crumb off.  Silly stuff and may cost us the match tonight along with a shot at the top two.

Yep and Ill blame the Coach seriously poor non selection

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44 minutes ago, picket fence said:

This is haunting us already, NO TALL IN FORWARD LINE TO TAKE A MARK

You reap what you sow MFC Selectors. Garbage NON SELECTION!!

We won our first 6 games without Brown or Weideman. Structurally forward of Centre is not quite right at the moment. We’ve made a habit of making adjustments at half time. Let’s hope tonight is another one of those occasions.

[picket fence 15,040]

Put this game down as the game that potentially STUFFED our season because of selections

[spirit of norm smith 12,829]

We need a Ben Brown or a Sam Weideman as a tall forward as a target. The LJ and Tmcd combo is not effective enough. We need 3 talls and someone to stand up.

FFS This is our year.  

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

38 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Put this game down as the game that potentially STUFFED our season because of selections

Calm down Byron.

I do agree that on tonight it's get Ben Brown in and let him build form. He makes McDonald and Fritsch taller with his ability to draw defenders.

Edited June 26, 2021 by dazzledavey36

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Welcome back, Ben Brown.

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Along with all the other assets if he plays deep he will also straighten us up.  All these zany kicks to the pockets for little chance of a goal is killing us on the scoreboard.

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1 hour ago, Megatron said:

We won our first 6 games without Brown or Weideman. Structurally forward of Centre is not quite right at the moment. We’ve made a habit of making adjustments at half time. Let’s hope tonight is another one of those occasions.

Nailed it.

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8 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Along with all the other assets if he plays deep he will also straighten us up.  All these zany kicks to the pockets for little chance of a goal is killing us on the scoreboard.

To be honest Tom Mac, Harmes and Fritsch all had essentially the same shot in the 3rd quarter from a slight angle 45 out. The stats tell us they’d kick 2 out of 3 across the year. They kick those and it’s game over at 3/4 time. I’m not sure Brown is the answer. I think teamwork, cleaner ball use and better kicking for goal is the answer.

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I still wouldn’t pick him, not the type of player who can come into a team without match practice for me. 

[adonski 9,097]

Fingers crossed he kicks 6 tomorrow.

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1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

To be honest Tom Mac, Harmes and Fritsch all had essentially the same shot in the 3rd quarter from a slight angle 45 out. The stats tell us they’d kick 2 out of 3 across the year. They kick those and it’s game over at 3/4 time. I’m not sure Brown is the answer. I think teamwork, cleaner ball use and better kicking for goal is the answer.

There is no point finding those targets, even on a slight 45 angle if very few of them can even make the distance let alone kick accurately THB.  Harmes probably the exception with distance from around 40/45 at present.

Sparrow and Tracc were the only ones that seemed capable tonight and you are not going to kick too many winning scores against the top 5/6 clubs relying on those two players finding their range and accuracy neither of whom are designated forwards.   The forward line failed to stand up again tonight.  It needs fixing.  Even if it means bringing in Mitch Brown for a stint in place of Fritsch maybe?

The door is open anyway and changes might come down to who performs at Casey tomorrow.

Edited June 26, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[picket fence 15,040]

Fritsch needz to lift. IM CALLING IT NOW

BB  MUST play next week. MB also in with a chance

[Demons1858 1,657]

Brown won't be playing if he isn't in form in the VFL tomorrow and maybe even the week after ... selectors have shown that form dictates selection even if we are crying out for a tall to take their opportunity ... and that's the way it should be

Edited June 26, 2021 by Demons1858

[Go the Biff 3,124]

So punters, what if Brown (& Brown) stink up the house against the Bummers at Casey ? And Weid kicks six ?

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3 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

So punters, what if Brown (& Brown) stink up the house against the Bummers at Casey ? And Weid kicks six ?

No change ... simple

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2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Fritsch needz to lift. IM CALLING IT NOW

BB  MUST play next week. MB also in with a chance

BB MUST earn his spot next week. If he puts in a solid performance for Casey (2-3 goals, multiple marks, team acts etc) then he comes in. But no one should come in without earning it. 

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17 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

To be honest Tom Mac, Harmes and Fritsch all had essentially the same shot in the 3rd quarter from a slight angle 45 out. The stats tell us they’d kick 2 out of 3 across the year. They kick those and it’s game over at 3/4 time. I’m not sure Brown is the answer. I think teamwork, cleaner ball use and better kicking for goal is the answer.

But they didnt. And how many easy marks did dons take due to our lack of height?

 

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36 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

But they didnt. And how many easy marks did dons take due to our lack of height?

 

Not sure I’m buying the argument that Brown, who is known as a leading forward, will all of a sudden make our forward line better at contested marking.