If Ben Brown doesnt play the rest of the year

[faultydet 7,593]

Sadly, Delist.

Can't get a kick and can't hold a mark to save himself.

His angry face is elite but that's about it.

[george_on_the_outer 6,962]

Weideman was worse than I had thought before this game.  He simply doesn't know how to play as a forward. 

All game he was trying to mark from behind!  He is a supposedly a forward. 

He didn't lead a single time in this game, now because I suspect, he doesn't know how to, and it is hard to lead when you play behind the defender.  It is even harder for the players up the field to kick it in, when you play behind all the time.

If there is one thing BBrown can do it is lead ( and he can mark the ball as well)

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Bottom line Weid is an insipid player who only has minimal impact in games. BBB could not be any worse. 

[loges 6,019]

And LJ is 10 times the player Weid is after about only 20 games.

[Jaded No More 57,774]

6 minutes ago, loges said:

And LJ is 10 times the player Weid is after about only 20 games.

Don’t disagree but they are two completely different players. Petty is a better comparison. Holding down a key position as a defender with 20 games is much much harder than being a forward. Ever. Petty didn’t have a good game, but from day one has always attacked the contests. Weideman is either timing his run poorly, or his hands are not strong enough in a pack situation. He doesn’t have the reach or the strength of Ben Brown. He is more athletic and mobile, which is why I suspect they have kept persisting with him. He does ok at ground level, better than Brown, but he isn’t creating enough contests at ground level himself nor commanding the ball in the air. 
 

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1 minute ago, Jaded said:

Don’t disagree but they are two completely different players. Petty is a better comparison. Holding down a key position as a defender with 20 games is much much harder than being a forward. Ever. Petty didn’t have a good game, but from day one has always attacked the contests. Weideman is either timing his run poorly, or his hands are not strong enough in a pack situation. He doesn’t have the reach or the strength of Ben Brown. He is more athletic and mobile, which is why I suspect they have kept persisting with him. He does ok at ground level, better than Brown, but he isn’t creating enough contests at ground level himself nor commanding the ball in the air. 
 

I see him in games as a passive player in that he goes out to play hoping something will happen, not with the attitude I'm going to make something happen.

[DubDee 20,536]

Good to have confirmation that PF is Damian Barrett. I had suspected for a while

[DeeSpencer 23,106]

Jordan Roughead's a very good defender and Darcy Moore is a freak interceptor. There's not a lot of shame in getting beaten by them in one on ones.

The issue for Weid is the lack of easy ball. None. He's often running back to stretch the defenders when the kick comes in, so he has to turn back around and he doesn't have the agility or reach to then contest yet alone win.

There's some big midfield problems there as well. 

Brown does have a natural leading ability but if the game plan says get deep to force ground balls in dangerous positions and the mids don't kick it to him that doesn't help us. The one thing Brown did particularly against the Swans was to come up and find a few easy kicks just to get involved including a nice mark outside fifty late to help seal the win. Not to mention his defensive ability is even below Weid's and down right awful.

Overall I think we should go small. Long term.... is Petty the answer forward? He has the reach to contest and enough athleticism to find some free space. If we had Tomlison available then I'd be trying that. But alas we don't.

 

[DeeSpencer 23,106]

Should the Weid dye his hair big bright peroxide blond so his team mates can identify him and actually wait until he's in position? Worth a try I reckon. That might be something that's helped Brown and helps Gawn.

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by DeeSpencer

[WERRIDEE 5,207]

He's too nice no mongrel in him at all.

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10 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Don’t disagree but they are two completely different players. Petty is a better comparison. Holding down a key position as a defender with 20 games is much much harder than being a forward. Ever. Petty didn’t have a good game, but from day one has always attacked the contests. Weideman is either timing his run poorly, or his hands are not strong enough in a pack situation. He doesn’t have the reach or the strength of Ben Brown. He is more athletic and mobile, which is why I suspect they have kept persisting with him. He does ok at ground level, better than Brown, but he isn’t creating enough contests at ground level himself nor commanding the ball in the air. 
 

Too late now I suppose but I would have thrown Weid back pre season and Petty forward. I think Weid could be a good half back, intercepting mark. And Petty can take a grab forward. 

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2 hours ago, Jaded said:

Both have had a block of games now and both have been mediocre. But I think on form and maturity I would want Brown in there after the bye to see if things click. I think Browns big body will be invaluable in finals. Weideman is not attacking enough for me at the moment. 

My question is why has Weid gone so far backwards. Is it lost confidence, poor delivery, lack of leading or all three? Even when he gets his hands on the ball he drops it. He has played himself out of the side atm.

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Weid will be out after the bye.

He's cleary unfit and is relying on being able to win contests when the ball is kicked on his head, which he does at VFL level against guys whose fitness levels are closer to his own.

Where I probably differ from many here is that I don't think his career is in jeopardy at all. He's one good, injury-free pre season away from being the player we need and want in the forward half.

I also hope that the match committee are open to playing neither of Brown or Weid, if their form doesn't warrant selection. Neither has played a good game to this point and we have showed that we are more than capable of winning without them.

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Weid reminds me of a college nfl player that can dominate lower age and inferior levels but doesnt have the attributes when he's up against real quality in the pros.   He needs something extra. Size, stamina, mongrel, whatever. You don't get many free runs from the side of packs against part timers in the AFL.  He definitely doesnt remind me of warren tredrea but each to their own. 

Edited June 14, 2021 by Jjrogan

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3 hours ago, Jaded said:

Both have had a block of games now and both have been mediocre. But I think on form and maturity I would want Brown in there after the bye to see if things click. I think Browns big body will be invaluable in finals. Weideman is not attacking enough for me at the moment. 

I don’t think that’s a fair comment. Weids played 5 games where as Brown has only played the 3, hardly a block. Brown kicked 2 against North then 3 against the Swans, he was just starting to get going when Jackson got injured. Against Carlton when both Brown and Weid played there was clearly no synergy. Weids had 4 games without Brown and his form had steadily declined.

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16 minutes ago, Redleg said:

My question is why has Weid gone so far backwards. Is it lost confidence, poor delivery, lack of leading or all three? Even when he gets his hands on the ball he drops it. He has played himself out of the side atm.

His success last year came on the back of a number of games in 15 a side footy where he had to get involved in play a lot. His VFL from should've set him up well this year but he had a few easy kills against

Last year his best games were also as the main target alongside Jackson and without Tom. He came up the ground to get involved in contests on the wing at times. And at other times he was used as the deepest forward and got some genuine leading chances.

One of the issues I see right now is he's not getting those wing contests and he's not getting deep enough to be used as the full forward.

He's not even getting the run in the ruck which is where his best ever games came from.

In the current set up he's little more than a decoy and that's where he seems to be getting caught out. 

[Diamond_Jim 11,736]

3 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

All game he was trying to mark from behind!  He is a supposedly a forward. 

when he plays in front he's easily pushed under the ball

[WERRIDEE 5,207]

2 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I don’t think that’s a fair comment. Weids played 5 games where as Brown has only played the 3, hardly a block. Brown kicked 2 against North then 3 against the Swans, he was just starting to get going when Jackson got injured. Against Carlton when both Brown and Weid played there was clearly no synergy. Weids had 4 games without Brown and his form had steadily declined.

Brown hasn't been given a chance at all. One bad game and he was out. Weid has had 4 bad games enough is enough.

[Pennant St Dee 11,257]

Neither of BB or Weid,

2 x KP Talls Tmac and Jackson/Gawn

1 x Medium Tall Fritsch

3 x smalls rotating through Pickett, Nibbler, Spargo, Viney

Trac or Oliver can have stints forward to

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10 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Neither of BB or Weid,

2 x KP Talls Tmac and Jackson/Gawn

1 x Medium Tall Fritsch

3 x smalls rotating through Pickett, Nibbler, Spargo, Viney

Trac or Oliver can have stints forward to

Oliver Cant kick a set shot to save himself so while not bad at crumbing Id say no.

 

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13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Should the Weid dye his hair big bright peroxide blond so his team mates can identify him and actually wait until he's in position? Worth a try I reckon. That might be something that's helped Brown and helps Gawn.

 

It won't help him if he's consistently playing from behind against blonde haired defenders.

[Smokey 4,124]

I've spent years defending SW here on DL and to friends and family. I was convinced he had all the ability in the world and just needed a good run of games to get things clicking. 

My opinion on Sam has changed completely after watching him on the weekend. His intensity is nothing short of embarrassing for a 6"5 100kg forward.  He cannot complete a mark to save his own life. He didn't even tackle. He does not provide a target i50 and defenders have started taking marks over him instead of punching. 

Trade or delist SW. Hope BB takes his chance now, otherwise our flag chances aren't looking that good. 

[Sydee 3,613]

16 hours ago, Jaded said:

Both have had a block of games now and both have been mediocre. But I think on form and maturity I would want Brown in there after the bye to see if things click. I think Browns big body will be invaluable in finals. Weideman is not attacking enough for me at the moment. 

Weid is out that's a given but BB is tall - that is all he is not physically strong or capable of consistently taking pack marks

His go is to get on the lead and players up the field kicking in front of him - not convinced we have the structure or the players up the ground that are great at delivering inside 50

[Sydee 3,613]

13 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Too late now I suppose but I would have thrown Weid back pre season and Petty forward. I think Weid could be a good half back, intercepting mark. And Petty can take a grab forward. 

No way he's playing back anywhere but Casey

He's so soft he would get smashed by any half decent forward 

[deebug 1,754]

Goodwin if you are reading this, play the two Browns, it's such a waste to have them not playing in the side.

Sam has had his chance, time for some new blood.