Where will we play the Lions?

[Dee Zephyr 17,313]

30 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Cool cool cool - whichever way around it was. The fixture shows it as our home game this year, implying them next year = our lost gate this year and they get it next year. I think there is space to negotiate with the Pies on getting to Alice and splitting it.

The Age Real Footy Podcast made a good point - firstly they thought it was 400k, not 700k and Caroline Wilson made the good point that the MFC ought not worry about this - keep the premiership in mind (this means getting a top 2 IMV) and then letting everything that flows from that benefit the bottom line next year. Big games with big gates, blockbuster TV slots, memberships.

Cool cool cool? AFL scheduled us as the home team this season because we missed out on QB last year and Anzac Eve.

Simply pointing out you’re incorrect about the Pies missing out on the gate in 2020. Just like you pointing out that people are making themselves look silly on here when posting about COVID. 

[Demonland 64,430]

48 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

There's an integrity issue which outweights the financial considerations. If you allow Melbourne to sell it's game to Brisbane where will it end? Will North start selling games or Gold Coast. Selling a game to NT and other developing areas is one thing but selling to a direct rival is something else entirely. It can't and won't be allowed.

These are extraordinary circumstances though. I wouldn't propose that measures like this be taken in a normal set of circumstances but we live in different times now.

In any event if a team like North start selling games all over the country, on top of their sold games to Tasmania, they very may well have a mutiny amongst their supporter base and would certainly seal their relocation fate.

If we have to start selling games interstate just to survive then the bells will be a tolling.

[Demonland 64,430]

6 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

The AFL really need to make a call on this game today, at the very least rule it out categorically, as people will start travelling in from communities tomorrow and Thursday, an expensive exercise for families.

I have no inside information but from everything I've read it seems a call will be made today.

If I was a betting man I'd put the farm on us playing them at Giants Stadium.

[Nasher 33,047]

Gabba please ?

I want to beat them there, in front of a big crowd. 

[Superunknown 3,307]

18 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Cool cool cool? AFL scheduled us as the home team this season because we missed out on QB last year and Anzac Eve.

Simply pointing out you’re incorrect about the Pies missing out on the gate in 2020. Just like you pointing out that people are making themselves look silly on here when posting about COVID. 

 I made a mistake about the gate - move on - thanks though for highlighting the AFL is able to compensate lost marquee game gates by adjusting next year. We can have next year's instead.

People here are making themselves look silly on Covid. Equating a simple scheduling error from 2020 with some of the comments on Covid is inapt.

Cool cool cool is a quote from Brooklyn 99. I feel very sad that you have not availed yourself of this comic masterpiece and all the cultural memes it has birthed - nodoubtnodoubtnodoubt.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Superunknown

[SPC 2,779]

I’d hate it to be at the Gabba even if it means $$. I want 4 points.

The SCG doesn’t suit us, so it’s a no from me.

Preferences based on what we know.

1. Manuka 

2. Giants Stadium 

3. Metricon Stadium 

[old55 21,217]

23 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Cool cool cool? AFL scheduled us as the home team this season because we missed out on QB last year and Anzac Eve.

Simply pointing out you’re incorrect about the Pies missing out on the gate in 2020. Just like you pointing out that people are making themselves look silly on here when posting about COVID. 

The financial issue for us is that currently we have ANZAC Eve and QBW both scheduled at home one year and away the next.

I thought we were originally scheduled away at both last year but I was wrong - we were scheduled at home for both.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-fixture-2020-full-draw-games-times-venues-for-afl-season-afl-fixture-2020-release-date-announcement/news-story/6fb855a74dddeb2747ce351599c22d47

Edited June 1, 2021 by Pollyanna

[Demonland 64,430]

7 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Gabba please ?

I want to beat them there, in front of a big crowd. 

I'm coming around to this idea however I don't have the confidence that we can beat them there in front of a hostile home crowd. I think I'm just scarred from my Adelaide experience.

I like the idea of recouping some of the losses from NT & QB by taking a 45,000 fan gate but I'm not convinced that giving the Dees/Neutral fans first dibs at tickets will lessen the hostile home crowd effect.

A win in the belly of the beast would be a further stamp on our credentials though.

I think this is all a moot point as I don't believe the QLD government will let us in without hubbing in Sydney for a week or two.

[Diamond_Jim 11,679]

7 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

I'm 99% certain that the 2020 QBW game was originally scheduled as a Collingwood home game.

The financial issue for us is that currently we have ANZAC Eve and QBW both scheduled at home one year and away the next.

correct

I suggested that the 2021 blockbuster games should have been a shared gate game before the season started. While I didn't anticipate zero crowds everyone knew there would quite likely be compromised figures.

How both our blockbuster home games came to be in the same year is a worry from a financial viewpoint.

To also lose the NT game is just the proverbial cherry on top

Edited June 1, 2021 by Diamond_Jim

[Diamond_Jim 11,679]

So I assume no VFL effectively for four weeks assuming Casey doesn't play during the MFC bye

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,106]

No way to the GABBA.

Can we stop giving Brisbane a free pass to another top 4 finish.

In 2020 they played 14/17 games in QLD - you read that right - 14!!!!! They were absolutely gifted a premiership.

They duly finished top 2 and blew it in the prelim.

 

 

[whatwhat say what 18,793]

max gawn said he's happy for it to be at the gabba

anytime, anywhere

[Demonland 64,430]

1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

max gawn said he's happy for it to be at the gabba

anytime, anywhere

I would hope that the playing group have that attitude. It's us scarred supporters that want to play every game in our own backyard against Dimboola Thirds.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,789]

7 minutes ago, SPC said:

I’d hate it to be at the Gabba even if it means $$. I want 4 points.

The SCG doesn’t suit us, so it’s a no from me.

Preferences based on what we know.

1. Manuka 

2. Giants Stadium 

3. Metricon Stadium 

Agree 4 points is the most important aspect in a footballing program and it always should be.

Money, sponsorships, memberships are the flow on effect from winning games of football and being a successful brand will attract $$$.

You do the best thing for your football club where success is concerned, in regards to ground relocation keeping it away from QLD is and always should be a football based decision not a financial one.

4 points over cash.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,106]

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

To also lose the NT game is just the proverbial cherry on top

Is it absolutely confirmed that the NT would not give us a payment.

After all it's them that are not allowing us into their state through absolutely no fault of our own.

I think some sort of compromise would be appropriate.

[old dee 22,816]

29 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I have no inside information but from everything I've read it seems a call will be made today.

If I was a betting man I'd put the farm on us playing them at Giants Stadium.

Do you own a farm? Not in NSW I hope!

[old dee 22,816]

2 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Is it absolutely confirmed that the NT would not give us a payment.

After all it's them that are not allowing us into their state through absolutely no fault of our own.

I think some sort of compromise would be appropriate.

From the HUN today it would appear yes. If we cannot turn up no money. It looks like  no crowds for certain on QB if there is a match at the G. Those two will be hits to the bottom line. 

Edited June 1, 2021 by old dee

[old55 21,217]

Anywhere, anytime has a nice ring to it and I'm glad that Max and the team feel that way.

But I'm against playing it at the Gabba - if we play there then a reasonably possible scenario is that we lose and Brisbane makes top 2 because of it and we have to go back there to play them in the finals - not a good outcome.

I think Premiership takes care of financial issues and that's what I would prioritise.

[Diamond_Jim 11,679]

10 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Is it absolutely confirmed that the NT would not give us a payment.

After all it's them that are not allowing us into their state through absolutely no fault of our own.

I think some sort of compromise would be appropriate.

contracts are full of boiler plate clauses. One of them is force majeure. If it applied (very complex) it would help NT and not us.

Otherwise the contract will simply say "we turn up and we get paid".

I've seen some contracts that seek to include sovereign risk (the government interfering with the contract by third party laws) but they are rare. Wouldn't surprise me though if the F1 contract has one in it which means Vic Govt will pay if we don't let them in.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Diamond_Jim
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[Wells 11 4,661]

1 minute ago, Pollyanna said:

Anywhere, anytime has a nice ring to it and I'm glad that Max and the team feel that way.

But I'm against playing it at the Gabba - if we play there then a reasonably possible scenario is that we lose and Brisbane makes top 2 because of it and we have to go back there to play them in the finals - not a good outcome.

I think Premiership takes care of financial issues and that's what I would prioritise.

Under normal circumstances yes it does. But no crowds, no corporate boxes, no exxy pre game functions etc etc will  impact that line massively. I suspect for covid  reasons our membership uptake has fallen behind as well. I believe players also get paid more for finals. We will soon have a big issue on our hands. 

[jnrmac 18,914]

24 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I like the idea of recouping some of the losses from NT & QB by taking a 45,000 fan gate but I'm not convinced that giving the Dees/Neutral fans first dibs at tickets will lessen the hostile home crowd effect.

 

We spent years whining about selling our games for money. To Darwin, To Brisbane, to Alice etc

Forget the money. You want to finish top 2.

everything flows after that. The money takes care of itself.

Win the games.

[jnrmac 18,914]

Just now, Wells 11 said:

Under normal circumstances yes it does. But no crowds, no corporate boxes, no exxy pre game functions etc etc will  impact that line massively. I suspect for covid  reasons our membership uptake has fallen behind as well. I believe players also get paid more for finals. We will soon have a big issue on our hands. 

Everyone is impacted. Money is no good if we finish 5th and have to travel to perth for a final.

[Demonland 64,430]

This is why we will not be playing at the Gabba.

St. Kilda struggling to get an exemption to play and then stay in Cairns for the next week.

I would imagine QLD would be telling the AFL that they (Saints) can hub in Sydney for a week and then come to Cairns the following week.

If they offered a FIFO to the Saints I'm sure the Saints would prefer to play in Sydney this week and then travel to Cairns the next week.

To the Gabba guys would you prefer to play in Sydney this week with proper match day preparation or would you like a FIFO of the Gabba scenario? I doubt we will even be offered this from QLD but if on offer would you take it?

[Demonland 64,430]

While we wait ....

 

[binman 37,798]

20 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I'm coming around to this idea however I don't have the confidence that we can beat them there in front of a hostile home crowd. I think I'm just scarred from my Adelaide experience.

I like the idea of recouping some of the losses from NT & QB by taking a 45,000 fan gate but I'm not convinced that giving the Dees/Neutral fans first dibs at tickets will lessen the hostile home crowd effect.

A win in the belly of the beast would be a further stamp on our credentials though.

I think this is all a moot point as I don't believe the QLD government will let us in without hubbing in Sydney for a week or two.

 

8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

This is why we will not be playing at the Gabba.

St. Kilda struggling to get an exemption to play and then stay in Cairns for the next week.

I would imagine QLD would be telling the AFL that they (Saints) can hub in Sydney for a week and then come to Cairns the following week.

If they offered a FIFO to the Saints I'm sure the Saints would prefer to play in Sydney this week and then travel to Cairns the next week.

To the Gabba guys would you prefer to play in Sydney this week with proper match day preparation or would you like a FIFO of the Gabba scenario? I doubt we will even be offered this from QLD but if on offer would you take it?

Bring on the GABBA!