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6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Not to be too negative but I reckon we’re still making far too many silly mistakes.

Gawn played on inadvertently twice due to stepping off the mark at half forward. Both led to easy turnovers. He filled Petracca’s quota this week. The umps are red hot on it and players have to learn.

And we need to nail the unselfish forward play. No more Tom McDonald stiff arms. No more Max Gawn snaps in traffic. Feed the ball back to our mids and reset the attack.

And every slow long down the line kick that doesn’t reach a tall target should be treated with disgust. May went long to ANB with 2 minutes left in the first half when Gawn was on the boundary. Several other times kicks fell away from Tom, Weid and Jacko. It’s a core part of our game plan and we can’t get it wrong, especially if we’re playing such a tall forward line.

Our forwards also have to be aware of the deliberate rule and know their job is to help the backs. Melksham sat and watched a ball roll out that he could’ve touched. Get over and get it.

Petracca, Oliver and others turned the ball over in the corridor in the last quarter far too many times. It wasn’t helping the plan to just kill the clock. If we can ice games we can rest our best players so they don’t miss weeks.

And JJ, love your effort, but you aren’t kicking centre square goals from 60 brother. The clearance was beautiful, back yourself to find a hit up. Or go 15 out so it isn’t rushed.

The guys were great last night, but there’s still a lot of sloppy stuff that can be fixed pretty easily. Small things that can make a big difference if we get them right.

I think you are expecting far too much.

Every game will have some errors.

If not the ones you point out, others will occur.

Tmac breaks tackles regularly, 

Gawny can take shots if in the area, as can anyone. Some don't come off.

Thought some of the play on calls were very tough, inconsistent calls across the season.

Melky is happy halving the contest, or slowing down the play. Can get away with it sometimes. Inconsistent umpire calls across the season.

Teams haven't been able to hurt us much from turnovers, let them take it on.

JJ still young, again back yourself, though he will learn. 

They are getting the small things right and will again, but there are always small things. 

What gets a win is our plans, structures and the application of that, not the little stuff!

I see our improvements coming  from holding the marks, improving our accuracy when kicking set shots, getting more drive off the backflanks, switching the ball a bit more as well as changing the angle of delivery a bit and controlling the tempo (go faster or slower sometimes, so to keep them guessing and to reduce or create run ons) .

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15 minutes ago, kev martin said:

I think you are expecting far too much.

Every game will have some errors.

If not the ones you point out, others will occur.

Tmac breaks tackles regularly, 

Gawny can take shots if in the area, as can anyone. Some don't come off.

Thought some of the play on calls were very tough, inconsistent calls across the season.

Melky is happy halving the contest, or slowing down the play. Can get away with it sometimes. Inconsistent umpire calls across the season.

Teams haven't been able to hurt us much from turnovers, let them take it on.

JJ still young, again back yourself, though he will learn. 

They are getting the small things right and will again, but there are always small things. 

What gets a win is our plans, structures and the application of that, not the little stuff!

These aren't just isolated errors though, it's some I've seen multiple times.

TMc's fend worked well against the Swans but unless he's running in to space it's not worth the risk, in a crowded forward 50 he should give quick handballs. Same goes for Gawn trying to kick unless it's from a stoppage. He should be a handball first player.

The deliberate issue has occurred multiple times with us. We don't appeal for it enough and we don't try to influence the ump by a forward running to the ball to keep it in or look like they are close to it. 

The turnovers were in the last quarter and when defending a lead. I don't think we really played like we learnt much from last week. We have to ice games. It's pretty silly that we're 10-1 but haven't really taken the chance to move guys around in the last quarter to get some experience in different roles and to rest up the best players.

JJ's made a great start to his career and I love his no fuss playing style but now is the time for him to put some work in to his kicking and decision making. Not over summer. Not 3 years from now. Centre bounces should be pretty easy. The forwards should be predictable. There should be a target area for where the long kick lands. It was by far our best centre bounce game of the season but we didn't take full advantage.

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3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I don't think we really played like we learnt much from last week.

We gave away some goals in the time on period of the 2nd quarter. I thought at the time we didn't learn from last week. In the third we got smart in time on. Can only assume the coaches got into them and reminded them of the weeks learning's. 

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11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

TMc's fend worked well against the Swans but unless he's running in to space it's not worth the risk, in a crowded forward 50 he should give quick handballs.

Draws two three defenders which opens up space for others if he can release it, sometimes he doesn't. I reckon, keep taking them on.

JJ still learning, improving every game.

I see our improvements coming  from holding the marks, improving our accuracy when kicking set shots, getting more drive off the backflanks, switching the ball a bit more as well as changing the angle of delivery a bit and controlling the tempo (go faster or slower sometimes, so to keep them guessing and to reduce or create run ons

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10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

. It was by far our best centre bounce game of the season but we didn't take full advantage.

Agreed. Trouble is we’ve had so little practice at it so far!  It’s good to feel the areas we can and have to improve when we’re 10-1 and sitting on top. 

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4 hours ago, old dee said:

Just finished watching it Trisul, not sure I did not miss him a few times but I thought Jackson was poor or did i miss some things.

That's your take out from the game?

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19 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

That is dead set [censored] GOLD!

Great win by all. I'm still not a believer as there is still so much season to go plus finals but that game last night rattled the cage.

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9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Gawn played on inadvertently twice due to stepping off the mark at half forward

If they are going to call those, then all the forward that step inside, to better their angle should be called play on. They do it regularly to better the angle and try and squid the umpire. Play on you reckon, that will help the game.

The straight line from the mark or free is hard to find. A bit tough to call play on. Forwards regularly have to be set by the umpires, why not the other players. Walking back, that should be the line and when you step off that line then play on. It should be the line the player sets (within reason) not what the umpires imagine unless they go and set it as with the forwards. 

They should all have the same rules all around the field. 

If the forwards want the 30 seconds they should have to have a genuine shot at the goals, or a free is paid.

One time for Gawny was more about time, wasn't it. He was given hardly any!

 

I wonder if you respond to any of my ideas or is it all a one way street, discussing only your remarks. Is it difficult for you to see others views, you just dismiss them or have no time for them?

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What a great win. But strangely, I have been more nervous watching this year. 
We did many things brilliantly but there is one obvious area where we need to improve, and it’s not hard to do so...
We drop too many marks. Last night the regular offenders were Gawn, Lever, Jackson, Weideman (and probably others). Big guys who get their hands on the ball and don’t hold on. Our new boy, Petty, showed them how to do it. Well done Harry. 
 

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Would love to see some options lead out on the 45 when we have the ball carrier running towards goal from centre break. And if they do kick it directly towards goal, have them pull the kick to land it 15m out rather than kick it to the goal line. 

Wasting opportunities... need more set plays.

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1 hour ago, kev martin said:

If they are going to call those, then all the forward that step inside, to better their angle should be called play on. They do it regularly to better the angle and try and squid the umpire. Play on you reckon, that will help the game.

The straight line from the mark or free is hard to find. A bit tough to call play on. Forwards regularly have to be set by the umpires, why not the other players. Walking back, that should be the line and when you step off that line then play on. It should be the line the player sets (within reason) not what the umpires imagine unless they go and set it as with the forwards. 

They should all have the same rules.

One time for Gawny was more about time, wasn't it. He was given hardly any!

 

I wonder if you respond to any of my ideas or is it all a one way street, discussing only your remarks. Is it difficult for you to see others views, you just dismiss them or have no time for them?

I totally agree that they aren’t consistent with calling players around the ground to play on when they go back behind the player on the mark. The first one that I remember Max doing I though he had literally straight-lined it from goal, the second I thought was harsh but I could understand it. 

The balancing act is that the AFL is trying to make this player standing on the mark rule have a bit of both ways about it to stop the marking player from taking too many liberties. In contrast I though TMac had clearly gone off his mark for his long-range shot at 3 quarter time. 

I really don’t feel like the umpires are given good instructions, particularly when it comes to HTB/incorrect disposal. I feel like they’ve been told if there has been a sufficient attempt to get rid of it in a legal way it doesn’t matter if the ball comes out improperly. The doggies players in particular do A LOT of throws and they were wrapped up in tackles where they were spun twice and given an eternity to get rid of it but still not pinged. 

Annoys the hell out of me. 

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38 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Essendon's win has mucked this stat up unfortunately, pushing GWS down to 11th.

Like we need another reason to hate Essendon. ?

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2 hours ago, old dee said:

What is your opinion on his game?

I thought he played a role, did a couple of really nice things and once again we looked quite dangerous coming out of the middle when he was in the ruck. To be honest though I was more enthralled with the way the team as a whole was playing particularly with some great performances by Brayshaw, Harmes, Petracca, Oliver etc to nitpick over some seeming negatives of some players.

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4 hours ago, layzie said:

You'd think 24 hrs later the gloss would have worn off but you know what? It hasn't. 

Reckon it's a mixture of a huge win and the loss last week. There is just not enough Dees content out there

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4 hours ago, layzie said:

You'd think 24 hrs later the gloss would have worn off but you know what? It hasn't. 

yep, me too. In fact I want to live in a world where im always in the week post that game! 

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On 5/28/2021 at 11:13 PM, titan_uranus said:

What about Cordy mouthing off at him after obviously getting him high.

Fritsch just went back, curled the goal around, and got on with it.

Good to see Weid come in to help him, but how about Razor just telling Weid to walk away and saying nothing about the bloke who kept bumping someone while he was trying to get up. 

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On 5/28/2021 at 11:22 PM, dees189227 said:

Ok so my first thought was tonights win makes last weeks loss even worse because we could have gone 2 games clear of top. 

However that was just a great 4 quarter performance. I seriously was expecting it to be so close and if I'm honest I didn't think we would win and certainly not like that. 

We just dominated from start to finish and at no stage did I really feel nervous. For once we played practically a complete game and from the start to the end we were brilliant. We never let the dogs back in it. 

I was watching on the tv while listening to mmm and they were commenting how when the dogs wanted to switch we just blocked there corridor. May and Lveer mentioned that after the game to. They wanted to jam the corridor. 

Petty came into the game and did well as did weiderman. Harmes did a great job on Libba and I thought Spargo was great and Brayshaw came into the game really well. Love seeing Tommy kick the goals and Rivers was outstanding. 

Well done boys. 

I disagree. I reckon without a 1-point loss last week we might not have given as complete performance as we did on Friday.

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6 minutes ago, low flying Robbo said:

Good to see Weid come in to help him, but how about Razor just telling Weid to walk away and saying nothing about the bloke who kept bumping someone while he was trying to get up. 

yeah i saw that too. my first instinct is i wanted weid to be a bit stronger. it made me miss viney tbh. one of these days, and it may well be against the lions, a side is going to try physically intimidate us ..and i don’t mean at or around the ball. weid, jackson, tmac, lever are all wonderful players but they wouldn’t strike physical fear into a mouse. 

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On 5/29/2021 at 7:38 AM, Better days ahead said:

You can't win every game. Much prefer to beat the Dogs and lose in Adelaide than the other way around.

And besides, nothing like a bitter loss to instill some motivation and make sure we keep our feet on the ground and stay focused. We responded in style last night. Doggies had a cakewalk last week against the saints which was no preparation at all before playing us.

The Adelaide loss, although unfair, may have been the reset we needed for the second half of the year. Goodwin dismissed any “crying over spilt milk” immediately after the game, and the team against the Dogs was as motivated and switched on as any this year. It may turn out to be a blessing in disguise. 

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