POSTGAME: Rd 11 vs Western Bulldogs

[old dee 22,848]

14 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Don't worry, you wouldn't enjoy it.

Ha Ha, contrary to popular belief MR I do enjoy the end result it is gut wrenching journey that worries not that they ever looked losing that game. Just finished watching the replay.

[Binmans PA 25,997]

I thought ANB spoke beautifully on that show with Dermie this morning. Said all the right things.

[PaulRB 5,919]

I found Dermutts "analysis" that, 'aside from 8 min in the first the teams were equal' was a bizarre negative spin to put on it. As we clearly jumped them, then held them to a losing position for the rest of the game... denying them their surges with amazing defence.

Would be a valid spin if it was equal scores and pressure all game, and then we broke them in the last 8 minutes...

Dislike Derm quite intensely...

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by PaulRB

[Binmans PA 25,997]

1 hour ago, binman said:

All good points. It is all about the pressure.

A crazy thing though is I saw after the game we were 167 on that pressure meter.  But they were 180!

I assume that rating is an average across different points in rbe game. Suggests their pressure was better. At least in terms of applied pressure (tackles, referred pressure, one percenters, spoils, smothers etc).

What i doubt it measures is the pressure of looking up and having sfa options to kick forward to.

We cover and spread so well teams are constantly under pressure to try and find a way through, or around us. The dogs are the best in tbe league at doing so. But were all at sea against us.

We will because our structure is so good. Pressure helps, but the way we zone the ground means the opposition simply don't have easy uncontested possessions. And if they do get easy touches, they're not outside our offensive 50. 

25 minutes ago, dieter said:

I thought Luke Beveridge was deluded, cheap and ungracious during his presser. He said 28 points was nothing, That when he gets 4 players back, just wait and see how good his dogs really are! Shows the same signs of twitter and bisted self indulgence as Scott, Hardwick and CLarkson.

Luke specifically said it was only 28 points but felt like a lot more. I didn't read it as ungracious. Quite the opposite in fact.

[Binmans PA 25,997]

3 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I found Dermutts "analysis" that, 'aside from 8 min in the first the teams were equal' was a bizarre negative spin to put on it. As we clearly jumped them, then held them to a losing position for the rest of the game... denying them their surges with amazing defence.

Would be a valid spin if it was equal scores and pressure all game, and then we broke them in the last 8 minutes...

Dislike Derm quite intensely...

 

Me too. He also fails to understand how commentary on the TV is supposed to work. I imagine he's a bit like me at the footy. Constant commentary. He leaves no air for the audience to take the game in. It's a wall of Dermie rambling.

I still remember when he was on an episode of my favourite Australian show ever (Stingers). Again, an egomaniac. And no, he's not a good actor.

[old dee 22,848]

6 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I found Dermutts "analysis" that, 'aside from 8 min in the first the teams were equal' was a bizarre negative spin to put on it. As we clearly jumped them, then held them to a losing position for the rest of the game... denying them their surges with amazing defence.

Would be a valid spin if it was equal scores and pressure all game, and then we broke them in the last 8 minutes...

Dislike Derm quite intensely...

 

As a player Dermie was a champion, as a commentator some what less.

[kev martin 9,059]

7 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Since I've followed us, we've always been flashy mercurial and dynamic when we've been on. I much prefer the former to the latter, as that is what gets results.

Agree Col, those perfect passages that always gave us hope and that we are "it", if we could do "it" much more regularly, have disappeared.  When we go a bit Hollywood, it often comes unstuck now. They appear to emphasise, keeping plays simple, much less of take "it" on. A few have a licence, such as Hunty and Salem from the half-back (to break the lines) or Oliver with the skills are examples, of reward outweighs the risk. Mostly we are bread and butter, system and plans this season. Such maturity is a beautiful thing. 

Edited May 29, 2021 by kev martin

[leave it to deever 15,317]

2 hours ago, DeeZone said:

litd Petty is listed at 197cm just 1cm shorter than Jackson so agree he is very agile for his size.

Thanks Dz. Did he ever play forward just out of interest? That mark he took was a ripper.

[DeeZone 7,701]

Not sure  litd if they have tried him forward but with his marking power he could be a weapon.

[leave it to deever 15,317]

4 hours ago, FarNorthernD said:

ore inside 50’s they were by far the better team

Are you sure we had more inside fifties Northern Dee?

Where did you read it please. 

 

[old55 21,271]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

I thought Luke Beveridge was deluded, cheap and ungracious during his presser. He said 28 points was nothing, That when he gets 4 players back, just wait and see how good his dogs really are! Shows the same signs of twitter and bisted self indulgence as Scott, Hardwick and CLarkson.

Probably gave some inspirational pre-game story about a one-armed nun's heroics during the Spanish flu to fire up his boys.

[loges 6,021]

8 hours ago, SPC said:

Great team performance. Only one who was down on form last night was Salem, lot of look away handballs setup Dogs players. So with his off-game, the win holds even more weight.

Despite his great form he's done this a few times this season.

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

2 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

Probably gave some inspirational pre-game story about a one-armed nun's heroics during the Spanish flu to fire up his boys.

"She was in everywhere where it was rough and hard, boys. Using just her one arm. Of course she got pinged all the time for incorrect disposal 'cause she couldn't handpass. So she adapted, boys, she learned. She taught herself to throw the ball instead. Now I want youse all to go out and remember that hero, that lady, and throw that ball as hard and as long as youse can!!"

[dieter 3,325]

44 minutes ago, A F said:

We will because our structure is so good. Pressure helps, but the way we zone the ground means the opposition simply don't have easy uncontested possessions. And if they do get easy touches, they're not outside our offensive 50. 

Luke specifically said it was only 28 points but felt like a lot more. I didn't read it as ungracious. Quite the opposite in fact.

If I misheard the interpretation you heard then I stand corrected: I didn't watch the whole presentation and I definitely heard a few cheap shots at Melbourne. I was surprised, the reason I brought it up.

[Engorged Onion 9,256]

"No it was as comprehensive as it comes. You almost felt Melbourne knew they could break it open with insane pressure then backed their defence to absorb what we had after that. The played in phases and read the game situation brilliantly it was very impressive.

They’ve got the structure to go all the way, my doubts were off about them."

The above is from a Dog's supporter...

 

That's about as succinct as I could be. 

This is the way that the team rolls now.

My emotions still haven't quite caught up to this truth...

 

[binman 37,967]

38 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I found Dermutts "analysis" that, 'aside from 8 min in the first the teams were equal' was a bizarre negative spin to put on it. As we clearly jumped them, then held them to a losing position for the rest of the game... denying them their surges with amazing defence.

Would be a valid spin if it was equal scores and pressure all game, and then we broke them in the last 8 minutes...

Dislike Derm quite intensely...

 

It is such an incrediblely stupid analysis. And I use the word advisedly.

Like basketball and soccer, when you have a good lead against a dangerous opposition the last thing tbe dees wanted to do was go fast.

The only chance the dogs had in the second half was a fast game, with lots of goals. Like the blues game where they blues continued to play fast rather than play tempo.

Such smart footy by us. Keep the shape and defensive run. AND slow it down to suck minutes out of the clock.

The goals the dogs kicked in the second half (all game really) were all hard work and against the run of plsy.

And critically the best tbey could do was get 2 in a row (and then only once i think).  And we responded to any goals to keep the four goal buffer.

Which if brerereton bothered doing any work at all, that has been how we have played all season, with the hawks game the only one where we kept the pedal to the medal (and even then that was really more about the hawks completey stopping).

How does that peanut accept his wages every week. Embarrassing 

[Binmans PA 25,997]

14 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

Probably gave some inspirational pre-game story about a one-armed nun's heroics during the Spanish flu to fire up his boys.

Is this a dig at his Catholic upbringing or have I missed something?

[kev martin 9,059]

5 hours ago, sue said:

Can't see any gain in doing so - can only see possibility of injury

Sparrow has to do his runs and sprints post game to keep his work load at optimum level. So getting him on, can help with a little motivation so do his hard yards.

Edited May 29, 2021 by kev martin

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

I thought Luke Beveridge was deluded, cheap and ungracious during his presser. He said 28 points was nothing, That when he gets 4 players back, just wait and see how good his dogs really are! Shows the same signs of twitter and bisted self indulgence as Scott, Hardwick and CLarkson.

I've just rewatched a minute or two after the 8 minutes to go mark and I'm confused. The interview I saw this morning began here and I now note it is an over 11 minute interview. THis time around, I found the opposite to what I wrote about above. Sorry, chaps and bonnie lasses.

[WalkingCivilWar 31,377]

50 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

"She was in everywhere where it was rough and hard, boys. Using just her one arm. Of course she got pinged all the time for incorrect disposal 'cause she couldn't handpass. So she adapted, boys, she learned. She taught herself to throw the ball instead. Now I want youse all to go out and remember that hero, that lady, and throw that ball as hard and as long as youse can!!"

???  I can’t stop laughing at this! I’m picturing the poor thing racking up so many frees against for incorrect disposal. ?

Edited May 29, 2021 by WalkingCivilWar

[old55 21,271]

24 minutes ago, A F said:

Is this a dig at his Catholic upbringing or have I missed something?

No it's just his shtick to have some inspiration pre-game yarn. Last versus us it was about some boxer who rose against adversity.

[Watson11 1,882]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

I thought Luke Beveridge was deluded, cheap and ungracious during his presser. He said 28 points was nothing, That when he gets 4 players back, just wait and see how good his dogs really are! Shows the same signs of twitter and bisted self indulgence as Scott, Hardwick and CLarkson.

I agree that he is deluded but not ungracious.  I thought his presser showed he has no clue how to address the Richmond mauling, the mauling last night, 3 poor qtrs against Carlton, and the 1 poor qtr against Port when they got cut up.  He seems to have the attitude that if his mids are being shut down, they’ll get a run on at some stage and kick 8 in a qtr. I’m heartened by that, as it won’t happen in finals against good defensive teams, and as long as Beveridge refuses to admit they have a problem then they won’t be the threat they could be for finals.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Watson11

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

4 hours ago, chook fowler said:

My God, Brereton talks through his massive cloaca. Gives us no credit and basically is saying we only won because the Dogs were off and made uncharacteristic mistakes. Just maybe they made mistakes because of the pressure applied and the way we were set up. [censored]. 

Since the days of the Hawks-Demons merger fantasies, Brereton has largely been a strong  critic of the MFC and it might appear that these sentiments still reside somewhere deep inside his current impartiality as a commentator. Perhaps, he sees the current declining trends of the Hawks as an omen to some form of disaster ahead.

However, a couple of years ago, he did at times seem to be more tolerant of the red 'n blue but this has largely disappeared. It's a shame as he is knowledgeable about footy, seems to be a reasonable tactician and game analyst, and certainly (in my mind) has more football credibility than the plethora of TV-type 'footy team experts'. 

[Engorged Onion 9,256]

24 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

I agree that he is deluded but not ungracious.  I thought his presser showed he has no clue how to address the Richmond mauling, the mauling last night, 3 poor qtrs against Carlton, and the 1 poor qtr against Port when they got cut up.  He seems to have the attitude that if his mids are being shut down, they’ll get a run on at some stage and kick 8 in a qtr. I’m heartened by that, as it won’t happen in finals against good defensive teams, and as long as Beveridge refuses to admit they have a problem then they won’t be the threat they could be for finals.

Brilliantly put @Watson11

[Monocology 1,108]

I dreamt last night of ultimate glory - and I have never - I'm sure I wasn't Han Solo.