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19 minutes ago, ManDee said:

As I have stated, I think by next year we will all have to have mRNA vaccines as a booster due to new strains of Covid. If a lower risk and better drug is an option I will take it. If not and the risk of getting Covid increases I will have AZ. There has not been a locally acquired case of Covid where I live. My view is the risk of getting Covid is low in Australia and lower where I live, the state governments by and large have done a great job. I can wait, but I could change my mind tomorrow.  I agree on Paul Murray.

ManDee, do you drive?

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19 minutes ago, A F said:

Given the AFL have got their SA teams on planes and into Victoria, the SA Government clearly expects the possibility of another SA lockdown or breach of their hotel quarantine set up again.

It has to increase the chances that our Port game is played at Geelong or in Tassie.

Perhaps the concern is Vic locking out SA

Watch WA do it first.

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10 minutes ago, binman said:

ManDee, do you drive?

Yes, about 15km per week, about 1/3 is my driveway.

In a very safe BMW X5 low risk wouldn't you say?

 

Edit-To be fair we also do week end trips

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8 minutes ago, DubDee said:

would be great to play Port in Vic next week.  even better to go to the game!

I want to go Adelaide to watch to watch us beat the 'power' (what a stupid bloody nickname) at Adelaide oval, a ground i have not seen footy at yet. It was right at the top of my to do list this season.

Watching us beat them at Geelong does not have quite the same feel about it. 

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6 minutes ago, DubDee said:

would be great to play Port in Vic next week.  even better to go to the game!

I suppose that is true. Whats more we should get free entry because of the filth game being played in Sydney.

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6 hours ago, ManDee said:

Where do you get the data that supports the bolded sentence?

On March 10 Australia first reached 100 total cases and just 23 new cases for the day.

Two weeks later, despite rapidly increasing restrictions, the daily new case rate was wobbling between 300-500 per day while stalled in the first stage of lockdowns.

When you consider further expansion at that rate of reproduction (>2000% growth in two weeks, which is in the normal range), then after another two weeks without tight restrictions we would have been looking at several thousand new cases per day and a thousand deaths a week by late April.

That has been the experience of most the world, both as a description of events and as a statistical pattern.

These aren't controversial or unsupported figures or claims.

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If you thought Australia was slow, NZ is going at just over 10k doses per day.

Because they only use Pfizer and the time between shots is only 3 weeks their fully vaccinated percentage of population is a little higher than ours at present but this will change dramatically over the next month.

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28 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

On March 10 Australia first reached 100 total cases and just 23 new cases for the day.

Two weeks later, despite rapidly increasing restrictions, the daily new case rate was wobbling between 300-500 per day while stalled in the first stage of lockdowns.

When you consider further expansion at that rate of reproduction (>2000% growth in two weeks, which is in the normal range), then after another two weeks without tight restrictions we would have been looking at several thousand new cases per day and a thousand deaths a week by late April.

That has been the experience of most the world, both as a description of events and as a statistical pattern.

These aren't controversial or unsupported figures or claims.

You haven't answered the question.  Where do you get the data that supports the bolded sentence?.  

Edit remove 2nd question  - add original bolded sentence - "On the other hand, just a few weeks worth of a Covid-19 cluster spread without either large-scale vaccine coverage or lockdowns would kill hundreds - and then it would really get going."

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Got back from Sandown Racecourse about an hour ago (races not covid related) and both carparks were full. Given there were about 30 punters at the races I'm presuming that this latest round of lockdowns has pushed many unvaccinated to go and get the jab. 

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1 minute ago, longsuffering said:

Got back from Sandown Racecourse about an hour ago (races not covid related) and both carparks were full. Given there were about 30 punters at the races I'm presuming that this latest round of lockdowns has pushed many unvaccinated to go and get the jab. 

nah... wish it was

it's everyone returning from Queensland etc needing to be tested.

Most of the testing centres are busy.

The vaccine counter outside my local mass vax centre has barely moved in the last week. Lots of cars heading in for testing though.

Hope you had a good day at the races

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12 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

nah... wish it was

it's everyone returning from Queensland etc needing to be tested.

Most of the testing centres are busy.

The vaccine counter outside my local mass vax centre has barely moved in the last week. Lots of cars heading in for testing though.

Hope you had a good day at the races

Yes!

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2 hours ago, binman said:

Agree to an extent BB. But not when it comes to partisan zealots. 

And with Paul Murray i can assure you i do not reject him based on his employer.

No doubt there are any number of excellent  journos who work for Murdoch, many of whom who hold views contrary to mine and that  would be happy to engage in a discussion with. 

I reject him Murray because of his truly offensive and dangerous views on all manner of issues. For the same reason i reject Pauline Hanson and repudiate her views.  

I'm all for intellectual rigor and debate BB. But to engage with the arguments of such people is to give their aberrant views some level of credibility.  

And i refuse to engage with world views that have as their foundation a belief that there is alternative facts.

Such engagement leads us to the insane situation in America where tens of millions of Americans believe trumps big lie (more than 50% of republican voters), tens of millions believe in Qanon and people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and mark Gaetz can be elected to congress.

And who has laid the ground work for that reality? Murdoch.

And people are crazy if they think we  are not risk of heading down that path here. 

we’ll put and thanks fr expressing that. 

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17 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

If you vaccinated, say, 3 million people aged 60+, the incidence rate would mean about 300-500 people having side effects requiring medical attention

If it's for venous thrombosis, which is where the scare is, incidence is much lower than that.

"The European Medicines Agency has estimated that the risk of cerebral venous thrombosis after the AstraZeneca vaccine is 5.0 (4.3 to 5.8) per million people." (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005)

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3 hours ago, binman said:

If they had instead had a suppression, minimization strategy they might have had 100, 000 covid cases and a 1,000 deaths (maybe more, who knows).

I'm in France. We have a suppression, minimisation strategy. And 110K dead from Covid.

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26 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

$3M revenue per match... One can only dream

 

Exactly. Cry me an absolute river West Coast. You’re rolling in the bloody cash. You’ll live. 

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1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

3 million per home game? The ground holds 50k odd doesn't it? Those numbers don't compute.

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